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Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:24:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou
Wow..

22bn,1300 US - Whichever means more to you, they're both pretty big numbers
You can't blame CCP in the slightest for this, all they've done is got rid of the special treatment of certain items. Sadly, they haven't got rid of Morons who don't realise there is NO reason to move plex around, as if it's not in Jita it will be in contracts. I can only hope the bloke in the Kessy has quit, as he probably can't afford to play anymore Hehehe


Well.. you can't blame CCP for the player to screw up.. but you CAN blame CCP for not dropping those plexes. The player lost the plexes because he was stupid to undock with them in such a ship.. but the agressor (looter) should have been given those plexes.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:25:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Denidil
you're stupid enough to undock with 74 plexes in your hold, then you're a freaking moron. it's not CCP's problem that someone is terminally stupid.

that being said.. christ i wish i had that kinda ISK to blow.




Maybe if these items had a 100% chance of dropping you'd have a point, because CCP is still providing the services those cards represent to someone. Maybe.

That they were ALL destroyed is just a testimony to the fact that this was purely a way for CCP to up their revenue while having "adapt or die" (and believe me I am one of these guys in most circumstances) players like yourself being duped into defending the policy.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:25:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
mmmmmm succesful troll was succesful <3

pretty amazing, considering who I am and what I do, that someone would believe I object to this being possible :P





Stranger things have happened, why only the other week Jade Constantine posted something that wasnt completely and utterly ******ed, I mean ONE WHOLE post that didnt make me doubt his mental health....I was shocked and awed.

slickdog
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:25:00 - [64]
 

I like plexigeddon idea lol.... we got a head start lol

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:26:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


Which is why you are not a lawyer.


as someone who writes financial software

fraud has a specific meaning.

this is not fraud.

if you feel the urge to falsely accuse someone of fraud again try the following simple steps

1) Find the nearest door
2) Open it
3) Place you head against the doorjam
4) Slam door

repeat until sense is knocked into you.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:27:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: DMF KingBob
6 years of game time payed but not serviced by ccp -.-
Again, if that's what the player wants, why should CCP not honour that wish? Wink

Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:28:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: slickdog
I like plexigeddon idea lol.... we got a head start lol



oooooh. daddy likes this....


Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:29:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Originally by: slickdog
I like plexigeddon idea lol.... we got a head start lol



oooooh. daddy likes this....




Just remember who had the idea

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:29:00 - [69]
 

Quote:
6 years of game time payed but not serviced by ccp -.-


I spot the kessis pilots alt :D


But guys, see it from a differend angle. He bought the fame to be one of the most known pilots over night, some most work hard for that in eve.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:36:00 - [70]
 

Plexes should have a 90-100% drop rate though.

Shawna Gray
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:36:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Wookie 1
Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 21:35:55
Quote:
DMF PLEXs ITEMS are created from real Money and should not be able to leave the game -.-
or does the real money leave ccps pocket too?


No because ultimatly the transaction to CCP has completed, I could sell you a car but if you then crash it off the forecourt with no insurance then its no longer my problem, real money changed hands for the car but ultimatly I do not have any legal requirement to protect your investment once it is no longer under my resposibility, (as these PLEX'es were) if Game Time had been lost through a bug then of cousre it is CCP's problem otherwise its not.


Its closer to buying a car, drive it to a demolition expert to have him blow it up, then whine about not having a car anymore.

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:36:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Denidil
Plexes should have a 90-100% drop rate though.


Then they are special items again which is exactly what this move was designed to stop

BeachParty
Caldari
Semi Precious
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:38:00 - [73]
 

Quote:
Just remember who had the idea


Thats easy, its one of the guys that killed the Kestral...nice work slickdog!

iudex
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:38:00 - [74]
 

I wonder what's the technical back-story of this kill. The Kessy isn't famed for a fast warpability, but it had 3 Low Friction Nozzle Joints (15% agility bonus each) and a inertia mod. Afaik the cargo expander reduces the base speed and therefore makes the ship entering warp even faster. I don't see how a BS and a BC were able to get a lock on the Kessy under normal conditions, it should warp almost instantly with that mods or at least fast enough to avoid a BC/BS lock. Was lag involved ? Or too many ships at the undock point ? Or a 2 minute queue at the gate ?
If something like that was involved, this story could be even more hilarious and damaging to CCP's reputation.

BeachParty
Caldari
Semi Precious
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:41:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: BeachParty on 07/08/2010 22:44:41
Sebo bs's on jita are very fast, also the kestral was warping to the station and landed at 47K. He did not undock from 4-4. Its also important to note the pilot flew to the 0rphanage hub under a war dec, so he was flashy red.....

Meno Theaetetus
Wildly Inappropriate
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:41:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Steve Celeste
Would have been a nice drop, too bad that CCP set the drop chance for that item to ABSOLUTELY ZERO


I've seen them drop, drop rate may be low, but it's not zero.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:42:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: iudex
Afaik the cargo expander reduces the base speed and therefore makes the ship entering warp even faster.
No. Modifying your speed makes no difference in the time-to-warp. Only agility and mass changes have any effect on that.

Xhae
podgoo.net
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:44:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Xhae on 07/08/2010 22:45:34
Originally by: SirRalph
There is absolutely none reasons to move your PLEX's around, even if you are selling them. They can be activated from anywhere in TQ..


This is what makes the fail so perfect. There is no conceivable reason to move a PLEX. Anyone's alt can receive the ISK, buy a PLEX in Jita, and contract it to their main or any other character for consumption wherever the consuming character happens to be.

Someone should have told aystra that.

boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:44:00 - [79]
 

seriously i wish some people would get a clue about plex,s
my alt sits in jita 24/7 buying and selling plex on the market, lots of people do it to make a profit, if some idiot decides to undock in jita 4/4 with 74 plex in a kessie they deserve everything they get.

also i have tons of plex and i havnt paid any rl money for em, i buy and sell for isk. no doubt the origional person/persons paid rl isk for these plex and decided to sell them for isk.

the person who lost these probably got them off buy orders for isk and was in the process of moving them to sell for a greater profit of isk, not rl money

figure it out the rl money bought these to obtain isk, the person who lost these probably bought off multiple people for isk to sell for isk. so really everyone got what they wanted, except for the person who lost em cos he is still waiting for the brain he ordered last year.

no diff between plex and faction mods, there bought for isk and sold for isk, but only idiots lose em for nothing by being stupid Evil or Very Mad

Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:47:00 - [80]
 

Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)



boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:48:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)




wtf has a proffessor got to do with anything ?? the guy lost em cos he was a totally idiot - end of

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:49:00 - [82]
 

two reasons i can think off that someone would do this

1) They have a bulk order and the client specified the station he wanted the plex delivered to once they had been bought. Not very smart of the client but at least understandable.

2) The guy got greedy and was moving a bunch of already activated plexes to another market hub where they would sell for more. Again stupid but understandable.

I honestly cant think of any other reason why someone would risk this amount of isk in such a stupid way.

alittlebirdy
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:52:00 - [83]
 

To you iditos in the thread,

So if I buy a car, drive it off the lot, into a tree or pull out infront of someone... whatever. I should get a new free car from the dealer?

Retry

I buy a nice new shinny GTC from CCP (convert it to a PLEX) and CCP gives me 2 nice shinny plex's. I undock and someone blows me up... should CCP give me 2 more plexs?

Same idea, answer is *no* woulda been nice if some dropped lol nice kill.

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:53:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 07/08/2010 22:54:53

Originally by: Wookie 1
Originally by: Denidil
Plexes should have a 90-100% drop rate though.


Then they are special items again which is exactly what this move was designed to stop


They are special items anyway. No other items can be activated to give "something" whatever your location. No other item can be bought with real money by a direct manner too.

Whatever CCP can say, Plexes remains special items. They will not when they will be seeded sometimes by the game itself too. But as it is Zulu who made the devblog, I am not surprised of this move Rolling Eyes

Still, the player did a stupid move. Whatever the reason of it (a wrong click or the will to move them).

And to the idiot just before, compare with a car is not a good analogy.

Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:54:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: boo3916
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)




wtf has a proffessor got to do with anything ?? the guy lost em cos he was a totally idiot - end of


those are not mutually exclusive. the guy is a total tool, and its really funny.
but I'm interested to know if -legally speaking- when you buy plex, are you buying a service (gametime) or an ingame item. and is it still considered a regular ingame item if it can be redeemed for real world service...

In which case the fact that they can be destroyed/stolen by other players, and the service you purchased thus NOT redeemed (to you) might actually be a crime of sorts.

its pretty fascinating, I wanna know :D


Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:55:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)





Totally and 100% legal. you purchased an ingame (well.. 2 units of it) for real money, then turned around and exchanged it for ISK. CCP explicitly says there is no gaurantee said item will not be destroyed.

it's just like if they sold ships for real money and someone's ship got blown up. buying virtual goods with real money is 100% caveat emptor.

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:57:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)



That can be very interesting indeed.

Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:57:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Hulkageddon Jackpot on 07/08/2010 22:57:19
Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)





Totally and 100% legal. you purchased an ingame (well.. 2 units of it) for real money, then turned around and exchanged it for ISK. CCP explicitly says there is no gaurantee said item will not be destroyed.

it's just like if they sold ships for real money and someone's ship got blown up. buying virtual goods with real money is 100% caveat emptor.


The part I wonder about, is if this applies when the ingame item can be redeemed for real world service, which is a very different beast from say, a ship or an ingame weapon.

So, i sent out the question :D


Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:59:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot

The part I wonder about, is if this applies when the ingame item can be redeemed for real world service, which is a very different beast from say, a ship or an ingame weapon.

So, i sent out the question :D




and ingame item is an ingame item, no matter what you can do with it.

Shawna Gray
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.07 23:00:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Edited by: Hulkageddon Jackpot on 07/08/2010 22:57:19
Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.

I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)





Totally and 100% legal. you purchased an ingame (well.. 2 units of it) for real money, then turned around and exchanged it for ISK. CCP explicitly says there is no gaurantee said item will not be destroyed.

it's just like if they sold ships for real money and someone's ship got blown up. buying virtual goods with real money is 100% caveat emptor.


The part I wonder about, is if this applies when the ingame item can be redeemed for real world service, which is a very different beast from say, a ship or an ingame weapon.

So, i sent out the question :D




I can sell any ship or ingame weapons for this ingame item to get a realworld service.


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