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Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:47:00 - [31]
 

This doens't feel right.. Those plexes should have 100% drop chance. This also gives CCP a bad name, as if it isn't bad enough Neutral

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:47:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: DMF KingBob
the Car-wreck can be used or disassambled or recycled or maybe repaired and not de-spawn from our world

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1008/sehrdoof.png
…so can the ship wreck.

And your image caption is incorrect. It should read "If you're planning a large PLEX transport, you're an idiot — there is zero need to transport them. Ever."

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:47:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 21:48:56
Originally by: DMF KingBob

the Car-wreck can be used or disassambled or recycled or maybe repaired and not de-spawn from our world

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1008/sehrdoof.png


That is definate hair splitting of the highest order if you write off the car then it is unlikely that you are going to get much more than a lovely fine for driving without insurance, sure you can salvage it and part stripping would give some money but its something of a null point.

quote=Cheap Dude]This doens't feel right.. Those plexes should have 100% drop chance. This also gives CCP a bad name, as if it isn't bad enough Neutral


Then we would have people whining because its funding gankers

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:49:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Wookie 1
Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 21:35:55
Quote:
DMF PLEXs ITEMS are created from real Money and should not be able to leave the game -.-
or does the real money leave ccps pocket too?


No because ultimatly the transaction to CCP has completed, I could sell you a car but if you then crash it off the forecourt with no insurance then its no longer my problem, real money changed hands for the car but ultimatly I do not have any legal requirement to protect your investment once it is no longer under my resposibility, (as these PLEX'es were) if Game Time had been lost through a bug then of cousre it is CCP's problem otherwise its not.


It's more like I sell you a round of drinks and then trip you up once you leave the bar tbh lol

x


No, no it really isn't. Where he got the plexes from has nothing to do with the fact he was an utter pants-on-head ******ed moron for ever considering undocking with that much isk in a friggin kestrel with no insta undock. The ONLY thing CCP has to do is ensure the game time code can be exchanged for two PLEX, which they did, 37 times in this case. What happens after that is entirely up to the guy who owns them. In this case he was an idiot and lost them and that is no-ones fault but his own.

Torakenat
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:53:00 - [35]
 

words can not express the amount of stupidity aystra accomplished.

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:54:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal

Consider that as a life insurance. You would lost everything you spared because you lost the paper who formalize the contract between you and the insurance company ?

Plex is exactly that. A Plex is a virtual paper who contain a non-nominative contract between a player and CCP where the last one has to provide a service to the owner : 1 month of Game Time. So the transaction is not completed, as Plex can be activated at any time, and wasn't at this time.


For one thing thats exactly how insurance companies work.

Anyway all that CCP is contracted to do is to give the initial purchaser said PLEX if the purcahser sells them then the contract does not transfer, if however they were the original owner then the GTC/ PLEX contract is simply that you have the ability to redeem gametime you also have the ability to leave them in a can in the middle of a belt in the Drone Regions or wherever

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:55:00 - [37]
 

That's about $1110 just given to CCP for free. Its actually quite underhanded and gross of CCP--and why I always disagreed with this "change."

Yeah, its about making plex cards like any other item! It has nothing to do with all of the extra money that destruction of these items will actually earn us. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Kashadin
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:55:00 - [38]
 

epic

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne
That's about $1110 just given to CCP for free. Its actually quite underhanded and gross of CCP aystra
Fix'd. Wink

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 - [40]
 

you're stupid enough to undock with 74 plexes in your hold, then you're a freaking moron. it's not CCP's problem that someone is terminally stupid.

that being said.. christ i wish i had that kinda ISK to blow.


Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 - [41]
 

So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


Which is why you are not a lawyer.

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:02:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


CCP never asked said person to undock
CCP implemented new feature, player made use of said new feature
CCP feature working as intended :D


And LOL this loss made my day.

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:04:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 22:06:22
Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 22:05:17
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


No what happened was

1) Person(s) purchases a service from CCP (a GTC) that is fufilled and person(s) gets the GTC.
2) They change it to PLEX (an ingame item)
3) ?
4) Kessy Pilot loses their ingame items in Jita to a gank.
5) People whine (OP could even be said person)

Which is why you are not a lawyer. (unless you are the kind who is so stupid they try to defend smoking gun people who have confessed already)

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:04:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 07/08/2010 22:05:28

Originally by: Wookie 1
For one thing thats exactly how insurance companies work.

Anyway all that CCP is contracted to do is to give the initial purchaser said PLEX if the purcahser sells them then the contract does not transfer, if however they were the original owner then the GTC/ PLEX contract is simply that you have the ability to redeem gametime you also have the ability to leave them in a can in the middle of a belt in the Drone Regions or wherever


I won't love living in your country if your companies work that way for this kind of product.

About the Plex, the contract IS transfered. If it wasn't, everyone who buy it from the market wouldn't be able to use it to get the game time. It is a non-nominative contract, CCP don't care about who have it, they have to add the game time when activated.

I will begin to think them as a standard ingame item, the day that CCP will provide a way to get them from the game, not from someone who bought it with real money (I mean : NPC loot, Storyline/LP reward, etc...).

MacProsper
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:07:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Vee Raa
Darwin rules Very Happy


Yes, indeed.

SirRalph
Minmatar
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:08:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
This is e x a c t l y what CCP wanted...

BTW, good job orphans :)

http://mofo.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710
There is absolutely none reasons to move your PLEX's around, even if you are selling them. They can be activated from anywhere in TQ..

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:09:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


So basically you're rehashing the same crappy arguement people tried to make when the change was first announced only now it makes even less sense than before, good job on that.

Heres a newsflash for you, THE GUY CHOSE TO PUT THE ASSETS AT RISK THE SECOND HE UNDOCKED!! ITS EXACTLY THE ****ING SAME AS IF HE HAD HAD THAT AMOUNT OF ISK WORTH OF ANY OTHER ITEM IN EVE. Short of me coming around to your house and shouting this at you 24 hours a day for the next month I dont see how this could be made any clearer. What someone choses to do with any in game item they own has precisely jack and **** to do with CCP.

DMF KingBob
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:09:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: DMF KingBob on 07/08/2010 22:09:07
Originally by: Darod Zyree
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


CCP never asked said person to undock
CCP implemented new feature, player made use of said new feature


And LOL this loss made my day.

ccp just made that the payed playtime is gone.....(plexes are removed and wasnt in the wreck)
CCP feature working as intended :D

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:10:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 07/08/2010 22:10:46
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.
No. What happened is this.
  1. Person(s) A purchase service from CCP (GTC) for real money.
  2. Person(s) A choose not to turn GTC into gametime, but into PLEX.
  3. Person(s) A choose not to torn PLEXes into gametime, but to place them in a situation where they can be destroyed.
  4. PLEXes get destroyed
At no point has CCP defaulted on their promise.

Would you still think it was fraud if step #3 has said "Perso(s) A right-click→trash the PLEXes" instead?
Originally by: DMF KingBob
ccp just made that the payed playtime is gone
No. Aystra did.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:12:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.


One can view this a bit differently. The only valid reason for undocking with a plex is to try to make a profit from reselling it at a different location - as such, it's fair that people who do this should expose themselves to some risk.

Anyone who buys a PLEX from CCP, either to sell or redeem, never has to take any risks with it. They can be contracted privately to any other player and then redeemed, without either party having to travel anywhere or even undock.

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:13:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 22:15:43
Said it better than I did

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 07/08/2010 22:10:46
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:

1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.

That reeks of fraud to me.
No. What happened is this.
  1. Person(s) A purchase service from CCP (GTC) for real money.
  2. Person(s) A choose not to turn GTC into gametime, but into PLEX.
  3. Person(s) A choose not to torn PLEXes into gametime, but to place them in a situation where they can be destroyed.
  4. PLEXes get destroyed
At no point has CCP defaulted on their promise.

Would you still think it was fraud if step #3 has said "Perso(s) A right-click→trash the PLEXes" instead?
Originally by: DMF KingBob
ccp just made that the payed playtime is gone
No. Aystra did.



Also I propose PLEXEGEDDON saving Iceland one noob at a time

Jarnsaxi
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:14:00 - [53]
 

This kill makes me giggle, simply becuz it single handedly helped Icelands Economy by adding around 1150Euros to the countrys income without us rly having to do anything

soooo the fact that i can now in theory pvp to save Iceland is prty sweet :)

PRO TECH
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:14:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal

I will begin to think them as a standard ingame item, the day that CCP will provide a way to get them from the game, not from someone who bought it with real money (I mean : NPC loot, Storyline/LP reward, etc...).


+1

if plex could be brought with ingame isk / LPs then this wouldn't be a problem.
i'm more inclined to go for LPs reward along the same line of say a navy invul field as there close ish in value the last time i checked (ages ago)

ImmaSplodeYou
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:18:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 07/08/2010 22:28:39
Wow..
22bn or $1300 - Whichever means more to you, they're both pretty big numbers

You can't blame CCP in the slightest for this, all they've done is got rid of the special treatment of certain items. Sadly, they haven't got rid of Morons who don't realise there is NO reason to move plex around, as if it's not in Jita it will be in contracts. I can only hope the bloke in the Kessy has quit, as he probably can't afford to play anymore, poor sod

He still deserves it, and for that:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ****ing owned

Drone 613
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:20:00 - [56]
 

I'm surprised this move hasn't prompted anyone to see if Bobby Kotick has become a major stock holder of CCP...

Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:21:00 - [57]
 

mmmmmm succesful troll was succesful <3

pretty amazing, considering who I am and what I do, that someone would believe I object to this being possible :P



Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:22:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Drone 613
I'm surprised this move hasn't prompted anyone to see if Bobby Kotick has become a major stock holder of CCP...


Nah, If Ko**** was in charge a Polaris would have shown up and sucked all the plexes out of the station then scooped them and flown off cackling maniacly.Laughing

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:22:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Wookie 1 on 07/08/2010 22:24:01
Originally by: Drone 613
I'm surprised this move hasn't prompted anyone to see if Bobby Kotick has become a major stock holder of CCP...


Nah if Bobby Kotick took over PLEX wouldnt exist. Has anybody ever considered how few people actually pay CCP for their accounts (PLEX bought for ISk)?

Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
mmmmmm succesful troll was succesful <3

pretty amazing, considering who I am and what I do, that someone would believe I object to this being possible :P





Also it was a nice troll congrats you win a prize (please note all prizes are strictly metaphorical)

DMF KingBob
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:22:00 - [60]
 

6 years of game time payed but not serviced by ccp -.-


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