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beautyispain
Posted - 2010.08.07 00:07:00 - [1]
 

We have been living inside a C5 wormhole now for a while. We never bother doing anything but the combat sites but recently we've been scooping up the gas clouds on the best sites that spawn. It took 3 chars (orca + 2BS equipped with gas harvesters IIs) 1h14m to clear an instrumental site which gave about 700M.

I was surprised to see some carebearish stuff like that pay so well so I looked into some gravimetric sites and found the best one, plenty of arkonor etc. A fleet of an orca + 2 hulks would take about 50M/hour in total doing those so I must ask you miners why do you bother doing it on such a low isk/hour ratio? Itīs not like you can afk-mine in nullsec/wh, you have to spam the directional and move between hangars/cargobay...

wolftkilla
Posted - 2010.08.07 00:30:00 - [2]
 

I as a miner with a hulk and a orca to my own use woulkd reply to that in, i have got no idea, i have tried the whole pvp, n'shizzle yea it seems fun, but it is not for me, i do not play the game to make money, i enjoy looking around while mining enjoying killing the odd rat or too.. showing off to other miners using there BS to mine with 8 lasers.... ****ting on them against there yeild compared to mine, i love showing off the fact i have a orca, WHeni didnt have one i was always jelous that they had one, not sure why i mine, maybe the satisfaction of making the money so easily, or peacfully, i do mission, but with my a mate of mine in real life, gravmetric sites are the dog *******s in mining, althought the next best thing i found was ice mining so easy so many people in the system no worry for gankers or rats, you can leave as it takes so long, and I make around 15mil/hr doing that, meh its a peaceful calm way, + a orca is good for trading to, definatly when it comes to selling ore

Laughing bet you wern't expecting that reply, my first post, dont flame, please!

Bia Bri
Posted - 2010.08.07 01:22:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Bia Bri on 07/08/2010 01:22:36
Mining of course will never yield 200mil / hour / account no matter what site you find, but that's not a reasonable benchmark to compare virtually any money making venture to (except for high end trading I suppose).

There are two main reasons that people mine:
Firstly, its extraordinarily stable and low risk. A high sec miner working as part of a team can still pull in 15M / hour and they can do it until their fingers cramp and their eyes bleed with no downtime. That's far from stellar, but its not complete chump change either. Mining in belts or good sites yields an extremely predictable level of income. Additionally, the ore itself is useful for more than just raw cash. Sometimes out in the middle of nowhere, building your own stuff on the spot can be quite useful.

Secondly, more so than ANY other activity in the game, mining can pull in reasonable isk / unit of effort. It takes very little attention to go warp out to a belt with an orca and a hulk or two and just start pew pewing the rocks. About the only thing you can do that is less attention demanding is AFK courier contracting with a freighter and it won't earn as much per hour as mining will. Mining makes for a great secondary activity for supplemental income when in a fleet on your main, working the market, or watching a movie.

Oh, and not that it changes your point at all, but 2 well skilled hulks with a well skilled orca should be pulling in more like 75M/hour doing arkanor

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.07 01:45:00 - [4]
 

I consider it my 'time-out' moment.. when I feel a little stressed, doing important alliance stuff ( har har ), or running thorugh null sec with a hauler, or after simply a very hard day at work, I sit down, jump into my mining ship, a retriever by the way,
go to the nearest high sec belt, sit back, and turn on my strip miners, go get a cup of coffee, read some mail, browse some websites, all the while slowly filling up a can of cheap ore.

It's relaxing, soothing to the nerves, and helps me calm down a little, taking a nice chill pill.

The other moment I jump into it, is when we do mining ops, I like doing them, sitting back, enjoying a nice cup of coffee, chattering with my corp and alliance about everything and nothing, while pulling in some ore, ice. whathaveyou.
And at the end of a nice evening, sitting and chattering, we tally up what we mined, and pat ourselves on the back for having gathered enough fuel to keep our POSses operational for another week.

mortitia sith
The Adamite Inheritance
Posted - 2010.08.07 04:41:00 - [5]
 

also while you re in a wh mining gasses you might aswell mine some ores
and create the hybrid polymers(you do need minerals aswell for that)

and when you have the polymers , combine em with the salvage for t3 components



beautyispain
Posted - 2010.08.07 12:04:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: beautyispain on 07/08/2010 12:06:18
Originally by: wolftkilla
Laughing bet you wern't expecting that reply, my first post, dont flame, please!

Originally by: Xearal
...


Actually these are exactly the kind of answers I was expecting and you are absolutely right, there is something soothing about just sitting there in space with a nice warm coffee without all the stress. Listening to below the asteroids makes it even better :)

Originally by: mortitia sith
also while you re in a wh mining gasses you might aswell mine some ores
and create the hybrid polymers(you do need minerals aswell for that)

and when you have the polymers , combine em with the salvage for t3 components



True, though until now I've just bought the minerals in empire and hauled in a lot since there is so little amount of it needed in relation to the gases. Also, reprocessing at POSes, that is the 25% waste, is not my cup of tea :)

Corrain
Posted - 2010.08.07 15:24:00 - [7]
 

Not everyone in the game sees "50M/hour" as a "low isk/hour ratio." Too many forum-goers make posts sounding upset that the circumstances and playstyles others have aren't identical to theirs.

For some people it's profitable. For some people it's enjoyable. You didn't know this? If you do, then you're posting to demand that other players justify not sharing your priorities. I can be vain, but not THAT vain.

News Group
Posted - 2010.08.07 15:44:00 - [8]
 

I mine because all my minerals are free! Laughing

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.08.07 17:14:00 - [9]
 

As a former hardcore miner and now a (very, very) casual miner I would prolly not do it either. But hey, I sometimes fly into crowded low sec to go look for plexes and other exploration sites. Dangerous and often very poorly rewarding cuz pirates don't leave you alone, but hey, it's not all about the isk.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.08.07 17:35:00 - [10]
 

people mine because they can do it safely in high sec. This why you should only go after stuff you wont get in high sec - like gas clouds.

Kelas Tovat
Posted - 2010.08.07 23:05:00 - [11]
 

My corporation mine because it is cost free. We don't have the ISK to buy the minerals we need for production as well as buy the BPO's we require, so we mine the minerals we can so our income can go toward investing in BPO's. Once we have all the BPO's we require to start full production we can use the income from sales to buy the minerals for further production, until this happens however mining is the task of the day.

Halborn
Celtic Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.07 23:22:00 - [12]
 

Well with anything in this game if you enjoy doing it then it doesn't matter whether its the best way of making money.

I find nothing better than finding a nice high sec belt sitting in my hulk listening to Red Glowing Dust. It really calms me and makes me feel even more engrossed in the game like I'm actually in space. I think mining is well balanced atm because sure its not the best way of making isk but it is designed for those who are not adrenaline junkies and just want to enjoy space but you still earn a sizable sum of cash to live off.

Bek Thyron
Posted - 2010.08.08 10:50:00 - [13]
 

Mining is chilling - for me at least. Nothing works better after a day of work (work sucks btw). 2 accounts, Red Glowing Dust and mining laser beams...When your mining cycles running, you can read forums, drink a coffee or do the laundry, eat, whatever.

I like it.

Khun SP
Paramite Factories
Posted - 2010.08.08 22:50:00 - [14]
 

Because isk is not everything on life... Razz

Skylar Fei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.09 01:03:00 - [15]
 

Well to tell u the truth i have no freaking idea, i just know to me its an awesome feeling to sit down in a hulk, warp to belt, drill damn roids, turn on egzactly Red Glowing Dust, or Below The Asteroids, and admire the space and lights around me, while dropping ore inside the orca and laughing how brainless this can be..

Why ppl mine? To get relief from a daily Confused, bloodthirsty YARRRR!! gankers, or to make plans for the future, read, watch tv or films online, safekeeping their children, as someone said its not the isk/hour that keeps them in barges for sure, its about peace that they find while doing it, mining can actually be a joy just because of its mechanics. And especially if u are on VT or TS with ur mates, it can be even a better fun than chasing reds while adrenaline rushes through ur head, many ppl will disagree with me here, but with a good bunch of people around u, actually it doesnt matter what u do, or where u are, its about socializing with others.

Mining is just an 'excuse' to why we play this game, not all of us are here to blow up things and watch others burnEmbarassed, some people have enough 'wars' in RL, they are sick of destruction and ignorance around them, so they find peace in creating things, and there is no better way than gather resources first which includes mining..

I know a guy that is away for a few months from time to time, he's a soldier, he saw good and bad things what ppl are capable off doing, and what he do when he come online, ofc, he mine, he build things after and thats helping him to get over it, again while with friends chatting, well online friends, but in these days u dont even have time to go visit your RL friends sometimes anymore, so consider mining as a drug that we need, compare it with love and music, that are well known global drugs and u will find the light at the end of a tunnel..
Enjoy your time,
Skylar

P.S. if someone got bored of EVE music, check www.di.fm/spacemusic/ for a nice chill music radio station

Orthaen
Posted - 2010.08.09 03:15:00 - [16]
 

Because the supply is more or less limitless, unlike instrumental sites, and because you can AFK in w-space if you dont have open wormholes to the outside. The odds of a hole opening into your system and a pirate coming through is at the very least no larger then getting suicide ganked in hisec. When I'm bored of blowing up sleepers, I can afk mine arkonor and make 3-4 times as much as I could if I afked in hisec. Victory.

Lyonidis
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.09 03:45:00 - [17]
 

Several reasons for mining:

If in a corp a LARGE group of miners can snag quite a few million an hour, if perhaps not money then they can use the minerals to build things, like maintain a POS Battleship factory or something...

In short,

-If alone, monetary gain
-If in a corp, ore = minerals = industry

Plus, when Incarna comes out, you can turn the lasers on, initiate the drones, retreat to your quarters, and do whatever.
Not just that, but mining can also be used as something to do while your corp discusses tactics, or something...

--Lyonidis

IskyBusiness
Posted - 2010.08.09 04:31:00 - [18]
 

I used to mine when I was remoddeling the houseVery Happy fitted cargo expanders instead of mining upgrades to my hulk went to belt started mining and then went off and carried on painting / builiding cupboards etc. Come back 7-8 minutes later and go empty it, rinse and repeat... Isk for very little effort / risk (Just had to remember to deploy the drones)

Pookoko
Posted - 2010.08.09 05:03:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Pookoko on 09/08/2010 05:03:20
because it feels hypnotic Smile

My Postman
Posted - 2010.08.09 11:52:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: My Postman on 09/08/2010 11:53:27
Done both, mining in highsec and in wh-space.

Most of the highsec miners are soloing, and most of them without orca support. There are the alts of pvpers mining, and while dualboxing, you donīt want to care much about mining. And, of course there are the 23/7 macroers in highsec without any hassle.

When mining in a C5 or C6 you WILL need logistic support and you will have an orca, and you are not mining solo, most of the time there are your fellows minng as well.

You can make a fortune there mining ark, spamming directional every 15 sec., and if things go terribly wrong, losing your hulk. You have to deal with logistic nightmare of bringing your mins to highsec, and you get killed several times while protecting "your" wormhole in pvp.

Long story short, i was leaving wh-space (living for three months there) not because of losing ships or having no exit to highsec for 3 weeks, but because of this annoying spamming of directional. When i now (living in highsec) have to open the scan window for several reasons, i feel like murdering someone. Pure paranoia in wh-space.

Anyway, i have several billions. I donīt feel i need to have several billions more. Now i do L4īs in highsec. Soon i will have several billions more. I canīt avoid it. Do you think taking a officer fitted cnr to lowsec is? Very Happy

Just my 2 cents.

Edit: Typo

Cindjin
Posted - 2010.08.09 14:45:00 - [21]
 

Why do I Mine? For all of the above reasons plus the fact that I am a newb; been playing about a month.
I just began using my Retriever this weekend and added 10m ISK to my wallet. Now I have about 20m ISK.
I need money. :) That's the main reason I mine. I also have 4 PI planets running ; generating some extra ISK, too along with doing some Salvaging here and there.

I would LOVE the benefit of "living in a C5 WH" but I don't know how you can. The few WH I have found caused me to get my ass kicked REALLY quick. What is a C5 WH anyway and how do you locate it? Probes?

Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated.

NARDAC
Posted - 2010.08.10 11:05:00 - [22]
 

Phoenix way overbuilt houses during the boom a few years ago. According to the utility companies, there are an estimated 100K empty houses. This is a 10% vacancy rate. A "normal" vacancy rate is 2-3%.

And still the home builders are building. Their profit margins are razor thin, but they build. Why? Because it is what they do. They have the skills, the knowledge, and the equipment.

Miners mine, because they are miners.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.08.10 11:28:00 - [23]
 

Because I can do it while watching a film on my other computer.

/and relax!

Thronz
Posted - 2010.08.10 16:52:00 - [24]
 

Mining is just easily scaled. I can buy plex easily with one sitting in my hulk in 0.0. I can run 6+ clients on my PC too... maybe not as lucrative... but very stable.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:19:00 - [25]
 

When I play, my time is valued according to what I think it should be valued at, not what isk grinders think it should be valued at. If I'm worried about sitting on my fanny not making in-game money, then I work on REAL work (ie, development, web site design, updates, etc) that pays me REAL LIFE MONEY while my Hulks are mining. Trust me: if you guys want to play the "time is money" game I'm sure I can outdo many of you with REAL money WHILE playing on another screen. :)

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.08.11 00:14:00 - [26]
 

I mine because I get the same feeling as socking myself in the genitals without the bruising.

Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.11 08:57:00 - [27]
 

So I can watch Top Gear and Futurama on the other monitor and actually follow along and still make some ISK.

Dr Chau
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.11 18:01:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: News Group
I mine because all my minerals are free! Laughing


I see a ton of people with this mindset, and I can not understand it. Just because you mined the minerals, that doesn't make it free. The cost of the minerals is how much you could have made by doing something else. Say you're a mission running character who's dipping into the industrial side. If you mine, the cost of the minerals is how much you could have made by running missions.

Etanna
Posted - 2010.08.11 19:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dr Chau


I see a ton of people with this mindset, and I can not understand it. Just because you mined the minerals, that doesn't make it free. The cost of the minerals is how much you could have made by doing something else. Say you're a mission running character who's dipping into the industrial side. If you mine, the cost of the minerals is how much you could have made by running missions.
Sarcasm maybe?

I usually mine when either:
  1. the football is on

  2. or I'm ironing!
ShockedVery HappyLaughing

Lazer Rider
Posted - 2010.08.11 23:52:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Lazer Rider on 11/08/2010 23:53:02
Quote:
I see a ton of people with this mindset, and I can not understand it. Just because you mined the minerals, that doesn't make it free. The cost of the minerals is how much you could have made by doing something else. Say you're a mission running character who's dipping into the industrial side. If you mine, the cost of the minerals is how much you could have made by running missions.


By the same thinking then you/we all should get part time jobs or do overtime and buy Plex,even at $5 an hour you would earn 100m an hour, but i guess some players like to have fun when they relax and not worry about the bottom line...


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