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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.04 21:17:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 04/08/2010 21:20:26

Well, at his implied "noticeably under 10 mil ISK/hour" rate of ISK-earning (1 PLEX plus chump change per 40 hours of missioning per month), it's no wonder it feels like soul-crushing work.
Then again, he's using a Hyperion to run missions, so it's almost like he doesn't want to earn ISK. A newbie in a Drake can make more ISK per hour speed-running L3s, chery-picking loot and doing decent LP exchanges.
I also bet he doesn't have any research agents going, nor any "lazy mode" 23h-cycle extractor PI colonies, etc.

P.S. Here's yet another reason PLEX prices might have went up : another source of quasi-pasive income has entered the game, PI.

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.08.04 21:33:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 04/08/2010 21:35:18
Ratting, L4 mission running, and mining are all extremely terrible ways to earn enough money to keep going.

If you can do invention, trading, manufacture, etc, those are all far superior. Those and exploration (which granted has a rather more significant barrier to entry I think) are where I feel the big money is at.

But I think you're doing this all wrong.

A month of eve costs $15. Surely you can earn that in an hour or two of work? Bar tend one evening. Man a cash register for a couple hours. Mow someone's lawn. Help someone build a deck or paint their house. Are you a student? Do a work study a couple hours or help in the dining hall one day.

Paying for eve in real money is much more time efficient for most players than paying for it with ISK. Once you have tons and tons of ISK you can indeed start engaging in transactions where you make 300mil an hour (or even in 5 seconds of clicking) ...but doing L4's will never be that good for you.

Find the most time efficient method of keeping your account going, and then spend your actual game time doing what you want to do.

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.08.04 21:47:00 - [63]
 

Also, if you think plex costs are sky high, buy one or two with real money and then you'll have enough funds to outfit a Kronos or something for faster mission times.

clixoras
Posted - 2010.08.04 22:00:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ulstan

But I think you're doing this all wrong.

A month of eve costs $15. Surely you can earn that in an hour or two of work? Bar tend one evening. Man a cash register for a couple hours. Mow someone's lawn. Help someone build a deck or paint their house. Are you a student? Do a work study a couple hours or help in the dining hall one day.

..

Find the most time efficient method of keeping your account going, and then spend your actual game time doing what you want to do.


And it didn't cross you're mind for one second that some people might actually enjoy the actual process of generating income or, in more general terms, progress? Researching, sharing information, working together as a team to reach a common goal?

Kids aside, if we want we can allocate a lot of RL cash, but for me that isn't a challenge. It's like using a 'trainer' in other video games. I'm not against PLEX though, it serves a good purpose. If you don't have much time, and need isk for pvp it's a viable option.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.04 22:09:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: clixoras
And it didn't cross you're mind for one second that some people might actually enjoy the actual process of generating income or, in more general terms, progress? Researching, sharing information, working together as a team to reach a common goal?

Your comment is pointless.
We were not talking in general, but about the OP in particular.
The OP already stated he doesn't enjoy any of the obvious ways of making ISK.

DiaoMoney
Posted - 2010.08.04 23:39:00 - [66]
 

Just seen many stupids don't know why the price going up so the only they can do is suggest ppl not to use PLEX.

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.04 23:59:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Idami Raptor on 05/08/2010 00:22:51
Well if you guys insist on going after me instead of actually discussing the on-topic issue...

Let's put it this way.

The real problem that I'm running into, is that CCP apparently doesn't like the way I find is the most fun to play.

Drone boats? My god, AFK mission running is offensive, macros or not, and that's the most often cited benefit of drone boats. I had a Myrmidon once...decided it was too hard to tank a Brutix so I sucked it up. And even with Six rails, it still felt wrong. But hell, I don't even really like rails. Give me a blaster any day... Anyway, to me, having a pet do more damage than your ship... is just not right, and not a playstyle I've ever been comfortable with, so Domi's out. Double since I'm anti-social and innately biased against anything 'popular'(which was part of why I picked the Hype. Most people seem to not like it, that makes me want to find a way to make it awesome... granted, I've had this one since SEPTEMBER now...)

As for opportunity cost...heh. Far as I'm concerned...well this morning, when I was posting, I was really, really, really tired, too much so to engage in much isk-making anyway. Plus...well honestly I hate mission running so much I tend to avoid doing it as much as possible. Drags things out a bit and makes my financial situation worse, sure... but I find it so depressing I've been known to avoid logging in at all for weeks because I know, foremost in my mind, that I need to do that.

And for alternate methods? Well tbh, there isn't much my character can DO that doesn't involve shooting.

Industry? Some reprocessing efficiency stuff (to 90.5% efficiency), plus just enough to be able to produce some Ammo at a low efficiency rate, from reprocessed junk loot.

Mining? A little better, skill wise, but I find it so obnoxious that I'm still refusing to even train for a retriever. If we get desperate, I'll do it in the hype (it's surprisingly good at that), but that's it, and rarely.

Find a new corp? Not gonna happen. I'm way too loyal to just ditch whoever I'm with to go make more money somewhere else.

PI? Well yeah I do that a little. Thinking about doing more, but I need to find some better planets, these highsec ones stink.

R&D? Every time I start looking at it, it requires standings I don't have, and I really would rather not go back to lower level missions to fix it right now. Maybe someday when I'm not having to grind just to survive.

Nullsec? What's available to me on that front right now...well I frankly can't afford that level of risk. I haven't lost a hype missioning in over six months. If I do lose one... my financial state being what it is, it'd hurt, a lot. I'd probably have to borrow money for a PLEX again. :|

Probe Sites? Every time I lock one down, it's empty. and from what I've seen, the high sec ones aren't any better than the missions particularly.

So I've been skating along on the verge of quitting the game over this since about January. Now if the Department of Education hadn't been jerking me along with my financial aid all year, or if my student job wasn't on hold because it's summer and basically nobody's there... it wouldn't be a problem. But it is.

PLEX Prices shooting up have hurt a lot, too. As I said, I can already barely muster up the willpower to mission enough to manage to get my PLEXes. Even then it involves a lot of idling, trying to avoid doing more as much I can, I hate it that much. I've even been trying to speed it up as much as I can lately, but it hasn't helped much. I've basically concluded that without a new ship I'd have to grind for weeks to get, it isn't going to get much better anytime soon.

So yeah.

Edit: Okay, so I'm looking at R&D again... it looks like I only have standings for level 3 agents with the R&D corps round here... Don't have any of the skills...and this R&D agent profitability tool is confusing me. :( Trying to figure it out.

Veritech knight
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.05 00:21:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Veritech knight on 05/08/2010 00:21:25
sounds more like you want to quit, just saying.


imho, plex prices have gone up because people are richer now. eg, easier-run missions, more ways to make isk (PI, wormholes, etc), so naturally more people want to use isk to buy game time, and there are not enough people buying plexes with real money.

on the other hand, I buy all my plex with buy orders and I'm surprised at how many I get every month. alot more than I would have thought. (alot of adults with jobs who want to pvp and not bother making isk in-game I'm guessing).

if you want a tip, place buy orders in low-sec and less populated regions

o/
vk

Induc
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.05 00:23:00 - [69]
 

Troll? You're a 4 year old "vet" and still haven't found a way to earn 300m a month?

There are lots of passive ways to earn isk that doesn't involve several hours of grinding a day.
You say trading is boring, but is it boring enough that you can't overcome spending 10 min a day updating your orders?
And don't say starting capital is the problem, there are those who've managed to get from 5000 isk to 1b in a month, I'm sure you could manage to go from 5000 isk to 100m isk, if not more. Keep doing that and you'll soon hit the 300m a month mark.

Tbh, plex prices aren't your problem, you are.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.05 00:55:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 05/08/2010 01:03:22
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Well if you guys insist on going after me instead of actually discussing the on-topic issue

That's because there is no real issue at all, the only problems seem to be your preferences... and your attitude.
But mostly your attitude.

A maximum fluctuation of just about 20% between the lowest and highest price for PLEX is barely noteworthy, for all intents and purposes it's as stable as it could possibly be.

Quote:
The real problem that I'm running into, is that CCP apparently doesn't like the way I find is the most fun to play.

Out of all possible items getting traded on the market, CCP is the LEAST directly responsible for PLEX prices (and players themselves the most responsible), so how exactly does any of what you just said make sense ?
Hint : it doesn't.
Alternative easy ISK-making methods, new or improved passive income sources and increased ISK earning potential in various sectors all will work together to INCREASE the price of PLEX even if otherwise both supply and demand volumes would be perfectly constant... which they're not. While other people find it easier and easier to make increasing amounts of ISK per time spent playing, you seem to cling to old and inefficient ways.
It's nobody's fault but yours if you can't afford to buy a PLEX with ISK on a regular basis.

Quote:
Drone boats? My god, AFK mission running is offensive, macros or not, and that's the most often cited benefit of drone boats. I had a Myrmidon once...decided it was too hard to tank a Brutix so I sucked it up. And even with Six rails, it still felt wrong. But hell, I don't even really like rails. Give me a blaster any day.

Just checking, was curious how much of a disaster you are when it comes to mission-running.
Are you trying to say your mission boat is a BLASTER Hyperion ? Or was this your way of explaining why you hate mission-running, because "you have to use rails" ? Just out of curiosity, what exactly is your typical drone loadout when you run missions ?

Quote:
Okay, so I'm looking at R&D again... it looks like I only have standings for level 3 agents with the R&D corps round here... Don't have any of the skills...and this R&D agent profitability tool is confusing me

You mean this one ?
The one where you just select your current (or soon-to-have-trained) skill levels and optionally also current (or soon-to-get) standings, then just hit submit and read the results ?
Yup, problem starts to become even clearer.


TL;DR

You lack the wit to fund yourself via clever ISK-making tactics, you lack the flexibility to adopt alternative ISK making methods even when the info is freely available, you are too stubborn to improve your current method ISK earning potential out of some misguided pride or whatnot, and you also lack the patience to slowly but surely earn your ISK grinding the same way you always did.

Honestly, just quit the game.
That's what you'll do eventually anyway.

SunGod RA
Endless Destruction
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:04:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Idami Raptor
1.) Trade is not fun.



good god what rock did you just crawl under from

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:31:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Idami Raptor on 05/08/2010 01:31:58
Edited by: Idami Raptor on 05/08/2010 01:31:39
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/08/2010 01:03:22
Just checking, was curious how much of a disaster you are when it comes to mission-running.
Are you trying to say your mission boat is a BLASTER Hyperion ? Or was this your way of explaining why you hate mission-running, because "you have to use rails" ? Just out of curiosity, what exactly is your typical drone loadout when you run missions ?

Got it on Two. Blasters generally don't work to well on most missions...because on most missions, you can't use a MWD, and an AB is too bloody slow. So Railguns are kinda required on the vast majority of missions. Typical Drone loadout is 2 large, 3 medium, 4 light, damage type matched to the NPCs. The mediums and lights are T2. Lights + 1 medium used for killing elite frigs(the web/scramble type ones), Heavies and Mediums used for pretty much everything else.

Quote:
You mean this one ?
The one where you just select your current (or soon-to-have-trained) skill levels and optionally also current (or soon-to-get) standings, then just hit submit and read the results ?
Yup, problem starts to become even clearer.
The part I can't figure out with it is why it shows only level 2 agents when I try to use it, when in theory I should have standings for at least some level 3s. It's acting like my Federation standing isn't translating to anything higher than level 2s, and I've never heard about any such thing before so I'm fairly mystified on that one. Also, I don't have ANY of the skills, at all. I don't even have research. I've always been reluctant to train anything that didn't directly translate into more pew pew, with a preference towards my guns. I like shooting things, all this carebearness is just an unfortunate necessity.

Quote:

TL;DR

You lack the wit to fund yourself via clever ISK-making tactics, you lack the flexibility to adopt alternative ISK making methods even when the info is freely available, you are too stubborn to improve your current method ISK earning potential out of some misguided pride or whatnot, and you also lack the patience to slowly but surely earn your ISK grinding the same way you always did.

Honestly, just quit the game.
That's what you'll do eventually anyway.



Not so much lacking the wit as lacking the desire. Almost all of the 'clever' isk making methods are horribly boring, and take training time that would be, imo, better spent on combat skills. That's pure personal opinion, ofc, but yeah.

I do missions because they are the LEAST boring method I've found so far that doesn't involve more risk than I can currently afford. Every day I spend in Empire drags on me, to a greater or lesser extent depending on what exactly is going on. I can't speed up getting OUT of Empire all that much so I'm stuck there for now.

A lot of the problem with the missions is that there's no real good way for me to do them fast and efficiently without breaking out of my preferred playstyle... CCP apparently hates Hybrid Gallente of late so I'm kinda stuck there.

And yes, I very well may end up temporarily quitting the game rather than continuing to grind out for PLEX.

It's one thing to Grind towards a Goal, when you have some specific endpoint in sight...when you're just doing it over and over and not getting anywhere, it gets very old very fast. I feel the greatest sympathy for the hamsters powering the servers, because being on a hamster wheel is aweful.

Decidivus Jones
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:37:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: flakeys
Now usually i never speak down on a person and am a very nice guy , HOWEVER :

You sound like a little spoiled kid to me.Sure there is more fun then making isk with mining/missioning/trading.So what do you want?Unlimited supply of ships/mods/isk and no death penalty at all is what it sounds to me and i don't know ANY mmorpg that doesn't rely on some sort of currency-grind.We ALL have to go through the iskgrind yet some do it smarter then others.

All you are saying is : 'sure trade is fun but i need a big wallet are YOU going to give it to me?' , 'Sure 0.0 ratting is fun but i might get shot , i want free 0.0 space of my own risk free are YOU going to give it to me?'.Here's the deal son no one is going to give anything to you because it is right there under your nose and if you can do lvl4's you sure as hell can either invest that isk in trade so you can start laughing when you loose a carrier or get into a corp that is in 'decently protected' 0.0 space.

I played a ****load of mmorpgs and i find eve to best regarding iskgrind vs funtime.So many different ways to make isk.

Stop whining and make the change yourself so you don't HAVE to rely on plex prices.Stop saying gimme gimme gimme and actually take what you think is rightfully yours.




Amen!

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:43:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: clixoras
Originally by: Ulstan

But I think you're doing this all wrong.

A month of eve costs $15. Surely you can earn that in an hour or two of work? Bar tend one evening. Man a cash register for a couple hours. Mow someone's lawn. Help someone build a deck or paint their house. Are you a student? Do a work study a couple hours or help in the dining hall one day.

..

Find the most time efficient method of keeping your account going, and then spend your actual game time doing what you want to do.


And it didn't cross you're mind for one second that some people might actually enjoy the actual process of generating income or, in more general terms, progress? Researching, sharing information, working together as a team to reach a common goal?


If you had bothered to inform yourself before posting, you would have seen that the OP is not one of those people and appears to actively hate every method of raising ISK in EVE. Therefore, I recommend the OP spend a much smaller amount of time raising funds out of game, and spend the in game time doing something he/she actually enjoys.

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:49:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 05/08/2010 02:00:47
Originally by: Idami Raptor

Well if you guys insist on going after me instead of actually discussing the on-topic issue...


I'm not going after you. My responses are definitely on topic. You say that you hate mining and ratting and mission running as a form of raising income and that doing so saps your will to play the game because you do NOT enjoy it. I agree entirely. I too dislike those activities, and I too would much rather spend my in game time shooting people.

If you also don't enjoy/don't have the skills trained/don't have the initial capital for other methods of generating in game ISK (such as invention/manufacture/PI/exploration/trading), as you seem to have indicated, then I think by far the most sensible solution is to attempt to find out of game funding for far less time. It seems to me to be a rather simple calculus. Minimum wage is about 7.50. So in 2 hours per month, you could fund your account fully, and then dedicate every remaining hour of game time to doing stuff you actually enjoy. Put in 4 hours and you could buy a spare plex and sell it for 310+ million and give yourself some extra ships to PvP in.

If you could fund your account by doing 2 hours per month at a student work study/helping in the mail room/helping in the dining hall/helping with the tutoring program, why wouldn't you choose that over spending dozens of hours running L4 missions when you hate it?

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to point out a path I feel will lead to you having more time in game to do things you want to do.

I know funds can be tight as a student, but the fact remains it sounds like it will take you far less time to earn $15 than it will to earn 300 million. (If you already have activities that earn you 150 mill an hour then I don't think you'd be posting here).

You might think that doing some kind of work study would take away from your game time but by freeing yourself of the chore of having to grind out many L4 missions to pay for your plex, I think you'll wind up with much more *real* game time - time to do the 'game' part of EVE, the part you enjoy, instead of treating most of your game time as a second (and inefficient) job.

I'm not sure where you are a student, but most places seem to have a dozen different ways to earn money via workstudy programs. You say you have a student job that is on hold because it is summer. That can be tough, but see if you can find something in town. It doesn't have to be long term or fancy. Help a store out or mow some old ladies lawn or something :p

As far as other methods of making money go, I think trading is the best, but you don't like it. Hi sec exploration isn't all that great. Low sec can be lucrative but if you're strapped for cash I absolutely would not take your only battleship into low sec. R&D takes quite a bit of skills and mission grinding to get into. PI takes hardly anything to get into and you can do 'most' of it with the skills at 3-4, but it's not terribly lucrative.

I will say that if you must mission run, do it intelligently. Challenge yourself to complete it in the absolute fastest amount of time. Figure out which missions are crap and not worth taking. Decline as many of them as you can. Figure out which missions have long travel time between gates and fit AB's for those missions. Make sure you are using the right damage types against the rats, make sure you aren't over tanking, make sure you know which missions are worth looting salvaging and which missions you should skip the loot and salvage for and just grab the bounties and reward.

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:54:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Idami Raptor on 05/08/2010 01:58:26
Originally by: Ulstan

If you had bothered to inform yourself before posting, you would have seen that the OP is not one of those people and appears to actively hate every method of raising ISK in EVE. Therefore, I recommend the OP spend a much smaller amount of time raising funds out of game, and spend the in game time doing something he/she actually enjoys.


The problem there...if I do that, I won't be doing ANYTHING in-game for at least the next several months.

I *REQUIRE* PLEX just to keep my account going. Without them, I don't play, at all. Until the Federal Government quits jerking me around, anyway.

And looking at the R&D Stuff, well I figured that out. Apparently the decent R&D Agents have a requirement for a particular amount of standing with their corp in specific, IN ADDITION TO the faction standing.

Hmm.

Now I just gotta figure out which skills I need to use the agents I want to...

Edit:
Originally by: Ulstan

If you could fund your account by doing 2 hours per month at a student work study/helping in the mail room/helping in the dining hall/helping with the tutoring program, why wouldn't you choose that over spending dozens of hours running L4 missions when you hate it?

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to point out a path I feel will lead to you having more time in game to do things you want to do.

I know funds can be tight as a student, but the fact remains it sounds like it will take you far less time to earn $15 than it will to earn 300 million. (If you already have activities that earn you 150 mill an hour then I don't think you'd be posting here).

You might think that doing some kind of work study would take away from your game time but by freeing yourself of the chore of having to grind out many L4 missions to pay for your plex, I think you'll wind up with much more *real* game time - time to do the 'game' part of EVE, the part you enjoy, instead of treating most of your game time as a second (and inefficient) job.

I'm not sure where you are a student, but most places seem to have a dozen different ways to earn money via workstudy programs.


It's not so much that as...er...it's summer. The school's kinda shut down. The Job I DID have isn't active until fall, because almost nobody is there during the summer. So while that's the likely eventual solution, it doesn't help me for at least a couple of months.

Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
Posted - 2010.08.05 01:56:00 - [77]
 

Shocked Shocked Shocked

I cant tell if this guy is trolling or serious. If your a troll, 9/10.

If your not a troll, you should be making minimum 10mil/hour running lvl 4 missions and if you are really spending 40hours per week running those lvl 4 missions, thats 400mil every single week. More than enough to buy plex.

Even if your running 40hours per month, you can afford the plex on isk bounties alone. Then collect the mission loot and reprocess to build your ships for cheaper pvp.

If this guy truly isn't trolling all I can say is wow... just wow...

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:03:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Olleybear
Shocked Shocked Shocked

I cant tell if this guy is trolling or serious. If your a troll, 9/10.

If your not a troll, you should be making minimum 10mil/hour running lvl 4 missions and if you are really spending 40hours per week running those lvl 4 missions, thats 400mil every single week. More than enough to buy plex.

Even if your running 40hours per month, you can afford the plex on isk bounties alone. Then collect the mission loot and reprocess to build your ships for cheaper pvp.

If this guy truly isn't trolling all I can say is wow... just wow...


Note that the 40 hour figure was for if I wanted to get PLEX *and* buy new fancy ships...and was also somewhat of an exercise in this strange literary device known as hyperbole.

10 mill/hour is probably about right, maybe even a tad low. My new setup runs missions a lot faster than it used to, and the payouts are pretty substantial. I just have a distinct tendancy to either: Play something else, sit and spin in station jawing at people, or poke around on the internet reading random things instead of missioning. 'Cause I really find it so boring and aweful that I really don't wanna do it at all. When I force myself to do it ANYWAY, that feeling just gets worse. So yeah.

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:06:00 - [79]
 

All carebear activities can be fun when you're with friends. Chat together, fight together, RP together - whatever suits your fancy. When I introduced some friends to the game, we all had a great time flying from hi-sec anomaly to hi-sec anomaly, shooting random pirates for chump change while whizzing about in our frigates.

Find a good corp or even an informal group of people tied together by one comms channel. You'll end up having loads more fun, and the 'work' needed to buy a PLEX each month will become a game again.

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:06:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 05/08/2010 02:08:46
Also if you dislike missioning, I would encourage you to look at ways that break out of your 'preferred playstyle' if it helps you get through with the missioning faster and get to the pew pew faster.

You don't appear to enjoy missioning in your hyperion so why not switch to a dominix and spend less time doing missioning? The dominix is a very capable boat, probably the best T1 BS, a great ship both in pve and pvp.

If you really pay attention to your missioning I think it's possible to pull in 30 mil an hour with it, which would be about 10 hours per month missioning to buy a plex.

Do you know about the various mission guides available?

I think there are SOME missions where you can use blasters, if that's what you enjoy. Some fights plop you down in the middle of the enemy or they all spawn and rush towards you. Just log in, see if you have that mission, if not decline it and go do something else for 4 hours. This would be a very inefficient way to earn as much isk as possible while missioning but if you just need enough for a plex spread out over a month it might work.

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:16:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Ulstan
Edited by: Ulstan on 05/08/2010 02:08:46
Also if you dislike missioning, I would encourage you to look at ways that break out of your 'preferred playstyle' if it helps you get through with the missioning faster and get to the pew pew faster.

You don't appear to enjoy missioning in your hyperion so why not switch to a dominix and spend less time doing missioning? The dominix is a very capable boat, probably the best T1 BS, a great ship both in pve and pvp.

If you really pay attention to your missioning I think it's possible to pull in 30 mil an hour with it, which would be about 10 hours per month missioning to buy a plex.

Do you know about the various mission guides available?

I think there are SOME missions where you can use blasters, if that's what you enjoy. Some fights plop you down in the middle of the enemy or they all spawn and rush towards you. Just log in, see if you have that mission, if not decline it and go do something else for 4 hours. This would be a very inefficient way to earn as much isk as possible while missioning but if you just need enough for a plex spread out over a month it might work.


I use EvE-Survival pretty religiously. I set my drone damage type and resist types specifically for the mission at hand, and occasionally fiddle with my setup otherwise. Recently I've been trying a reduced tank to swap in some magstabs, which added on to the shiny new T2 railguns has helped speed it up substantially.

Even that isn't enough though...I've got a couple of friends that just blow through missions in a fraction of the time it takes me...and I've been trying to figure out how to match that without a lot of success other than 'buy a different ship'. ATM I'm eying a proteus but I have no idea how I'm gonna get the cash together for the thing without /wrists and /emoragequit first...

The PLEX Prices being really screwed up isn't helping my attitude any. Just feels like I'm having to grind even more for no valid reason. I hate not understanding things, I really do. I'm known as sort of a human encyclopedia as a result, as I tend to know most mechanics in a fair amount of detail (R&D, Blueprint Research, and Manufacturing are not in my mental encyclopedia atm however).

I really just want to get a better understanding of why the heck the PLEX prices are so crazy right now...and you're all of about the third person to actually be somewhat constructive about it. Sigh.

Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:31:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Idami Raptor


Note that the 40 hour figure was for if I wanted to get PLEX *and* buy new fancy ships...


So, 40 hours per week to get plex and ships. Thats 1.6 bil per month if you were to actually do that every week. After plex thats 1.3 bil.

I was about to ask how many fancy ships you were losing in pvp, then decided to look you up on battleclinic. Over the last 4 years you've only lost 1.5 bil in ships. Thats nothing spread across that much time.

You are on 69 kills and have 69 losses. You dont look like your all that active, at least on battleclinic.

I'm calling troll. Again, 9/10. Very Happy

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:33:00 - [83]
 

Checking in to state only two things:

1. I like that the price for PLEX is rising.

It shows the game is in a healthy state. More people buying PLEX and pushing up prices means the game is retaining its base players and sustaining the competitive among them enough that they can afford the higher price from their ability to produce income in the game.

One could argue that it also indicates that older players out number incoming players or that their wallets far exceed that of newer players. That might be true, but as long as that ratio is not too high it's not a negative metric.

2. I LOVE making isk!

I like PVE, trade, industry, and production in this game. PVP is fun also, but I get the most pleasure when my wallet blinks. Not because I am money hungry, but because I know it takes a high level of shrewdness to pull down the kind of returns some of the better players manage to get in this game. I wanna keep up with them and stack my papers (isk) just as high!

High competition for the iskies is a turn on!

I am sorry you do not have fun playing this game and making isk in the MANY ways it offers. To have played as long as you have and have to struggle to make 300mil isk per month is a testament to that. But, it means I am doing more than enough to pay for this game and you....suck at it!

Yeah Me!





Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:36:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Idami Raptor on 05/08/2010 02:36:31
Originally by: Olleybear
Originally by: Idami Raptor


Note that the 40 hour figure was for if I wanted to get PLEX *and* buy new fancy ships...


So, 40 hours per week to get plex and ships. Thats 1.6 bil per month if you were to actually do that every week. After plex thats 1.3 bil.

I was about to ask how many fancy ships you were losing in pvp, then decided to look you up on battleclinic. Over the last 4 years you've only lost 1.5 bil in ships. Thats nothing spread across that much time.

You are on 69 kills and have 69 losses. You dont look like your all that active, at least on battleclinic.

I'm calling troll. Again, 9/10. Very Happy



Well that's because prior to september, I hadn't played since about...Feb of 2008. And prior to that, I was mostly in a cheap thorax in a horrid 0.0 alliance. More recently I've mostly been flying interceptors...and combat has been much rarer than I would like.

Granted, I've missed more 'n I'd like due to me either grinding missions for PLEX or avoiding Logging in because I don't wanna grind missions for PLEX...

I'm a total adrenaline junkie though, so yeah...PvP would be my preferred thing. That's the one part of the game that's looking up for me atm too. :D

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:37:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Idami Raptor
Even that isn't enough though...I've got a couple of friends that just blow through missions in a fraction of the time it takes me...and I've been trying to figure out how to match that without a lot of success other than 'buy a different ship'. ATM I'm eying a proteus but I have no idea how I'm gonna get the cash together for the thing without /wrists and /emoragequit first.

Well, you should probably step on your own pride and start eying a Dominix instead.

Also, you mentioned being loyal to your current corporation - how exactly do the rest of your corp earn ISK anyway, have you tried asking if you can participate ?

EvilCheez
That's Retarded
FIGHT CLUB INC
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:40:00 - [86]
 

Plex are high because a total newb character with a weeks worth of pi skills can make more than enough to pay with isk rather than cash. The original poster should look into that.

Otherwise you could sell everything you have and by some guidance systems or planetary vehicles and take a six month break.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:48:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Idami Raptor
The real problem that I'm running into, is that CCP apparently doesn't like the way I find is the most fun to play.


Now look at them yo-yos that's the way yo do it
you play the trigger on that agent three
that ain't working that's the way you do it
money for nothing and your ships for free

Now that ain't working that's the way you do it
let me tell you them guys ain't dumb
maybe get a blister on your little finger
maybe get a blister on your thumb

ISK for nothing, ships for free

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2010.08.05 02:53:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Idami Raptor
The real problem that I'm running into, is that CCP apparently doesn't like the way I find is the most fun to play.


Now look at them yo-yos that's the way yo do it
you play the trigger on that agent three
that ain't working that's the way you do it
money for nothing and your ships for free

Now that ain't working that's the way you do it
let me tell you them guys ain't dumb
maybe get a blister on your little finger
maybe get a blister on your thumb

ISK for nothing, ships for free


If you believe that I got some beachfront property in everyshore to sell you.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.05 03:50:00 - [89]
 


Well, anyway, we have two issues being discussed here. The first issue, the one that would be legitimate over here in MD, is the issue of PLEX pricing. The second issue, that of you not affording it, that doesn't belong in MD.
The big problem is that the first issue is not really that much of an issue, and as such, doesn't really get discussed.

To put it mildly, PLEX prices are mostly determined by the players, on one side those that want ISK and have cash, and those that have (or can make) ISK and want to not pay cash... and you fall into the second category, which is growing faster than the first one. It is really that simple.
The small problem is that CCP has continuously made it easier for younger characters to earn ISK, and as such, more and more people can afford to pay with PLEX, so the direct consequence of that is PLEX prices go up.
If you want PLEX prices to go down, you have to make it HARDER to make ISK in general, and MUCH HARDER for newer players to make ISK... which is the exact opposite of what CCP has been doing so far almost constantly.

Sure, you can debate what exactly made more people switch to PLEX instead of cash payment, or why less people would buy PLEX to exchange for ISK, and how much does the average player earn nowadays compared to historic levels, or stuff like that... but it would be purely academic since we lack enough data.
We could guess that EITHER getting easier and easier to make new ISK for most people OR it's getting harder and harder to make cash. Or it could be a combination of both. Or it could be something else.
Yeah, it could also be a massive-scale manipulation by somebody, but given the extent of the ISK changing hands, I find that a bit difficult to believe.
What it is however impossible to believe is that CCP "has it in for you" (and your "preferred playstyle").

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2010.08.05 04:29:00 - [90]
 

Your response is only valid if you agree with the op.

That is all.


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