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Gramps Pank
Posted - 2010.08.03 05:47:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Gramps Pank on 03/08/2010 21:10:33
The update to be seen now here please.

Hello I am Korean gamer loving the spaceship lifestyle and great mood of this space. But, I am experience some sadness yet making the suggestion.

THE SITUATION

The theft of metal from the cans of mountain people is an essential part of the game. It is no less than the lawful activities of the pirates, but we accept that movement in our daily life EVE. Why is this so? Simple. Punishment. CCP have gone to great lengths, the player base (the majority) from pirates by about would-Sentry Guns in leading positions and with the long arm of the law conveniently closeby catch pirates in 0.5 and higher, to protect. The higher the rating of the sec system, the harder it is for pirates. So it would be fair to say that there ore theft is as criminal as piracy (from a RL point of view) to do, what to do CCP to protect miners from such crimes? Well, nothing. It is fair to say that only the very brave or very stupid would be an ore pinch test in a 0.4 or lower. In my opinion, who earned her bronze trapped in one of these systems all they get. At least you should have drones, the perpetrators to hand, they ass in this situation. However, with the fire-on-killed-in Constraints 0.5 is not possible. Are we witnessing a situation where piracy is not "acceptable", but theft is? An interesting and controversial position, and the only reason why we have so many "ore-theft posts.

The solution?
The outlawing of ore theft systems in 0.8 and above.
I mean I can order the removal of ore from another player without their gang. You want to haul? You join the gang. You have your personal loss in your own hands. You are not going and can take ore from other (with corp ticker) identify = You can, without a response from Concord to be fired. This serves as protection for new players try to start and retains the element of risk in systems between 0.5 and 0.7. A fresh and unexplored solution perhaps, but one of the think tank I would like. If ore theft is a crime (and Lets face it, it is), then nerf it as much as piracy in recent months.

CONCLUSION

To:
ORE THIEVES = You are not expected to have honor, or moral values when you are asked to refrain steal ore from the players in newb systems and those with more than integrety you. (That is work hard and honestly for your ISK) therfore you will be punished to the full extent of the law, said in systems. They commit crimes, you need time. (In a pod)

MINERS = know mine free, you have the option of your hard work = 0.8 to 1.0 to protect. If you want to avoid theft of your ore stay above 0.7, if you earn more money, jumping faster than 0.7, but accept the risks involved want.

PIRATES = chosen paths are hard enough, and although I think they should, I think it is fair that other crimes of same punishment that you have the face.

Forum Name Dropper = I understand why people come to the forums and complaining about ore thieves. There is no control over their identity and level of criminal activity, and although Flamers pirates are a common site, the more, the arch-thief posters, because the rent you know a pirate is a pirate, either there corp, Bounty, or sec-rating (in most cases). You also know you are less likely to see a pirate in 0.8 and higher. The names of the ore-thieves has been in the forums as a "heads up" and almost like a police force in dilute warning the community. But that said, most cases of theft of ore can be avoided - this system were the cases of cement.

This is by no means a complete and full argument, but if a similar system as it was then I think the amount of "Oh my ore he was thinking!" and "Oh he is a wakner" posts would be reduced. One argument for the compatibility of criminal acts?

You decide.

captain foivos
Posted - 2010.08.03 05:51:00 - [2]
 

In the out as posting forums Crime Punishment and process mining parrots can stuff has exploded.

Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.03 05:56:00 - [3]
 


1/10


Teasy Mcdryhumps
Posted - 2010.08.03 05:58:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Gramps Pank

Mining


Originally by: Gramps Pank
That is work hard and honestly for your ISK



afk lazors is hard

Bud Tugly
Empire Arms Dealers
Posted - 2010.08.03 05:58:00 - [5]
 

I agree can too poster above said what. Yes, make the happy fun in roidy fieldy. No violence make happen ships go boom. Yes. Having the ore, good.

xXThunder StruckXx
Posted - 2010.08.03 06:29:00 - [6]
 

Surely once you, as a hardworking miner, decide to jettison the ore from YOUR cargo hold, it ceases to belong to you.

If a kindly fellow decides to remove the offending can from littering the belts, thus reducing lag for the rest of us, he is indeed doing a service to the community and could under no descrition be classed as a thief or pirate.

ONCE YOU MINE INTO A JETCAN, IT BELONGS TO ANYONE.

Please note that even if the ore is in your cargo hold, I may decide it's mine anyway and unwrap your hulk from it for scoopings into my hold YARRRR!!

Poo Ka'hontas
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.03 07:33:00 - [7]
 

If has you internets google can used be to make good translations if trouble you have english writing...

Other than that: 0.5/10


lord Goa'uld
Posted - 2010.08.03 07:51:00 - [8]
 

It puts the ore can in the belt or else it gets the hose again ! YARRRR!!

Scrapyard Attendant
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.08.03 08:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx
Surely once you, as a hardworking miner, decide to jettison the ore from YOUR cargo hold, it ceases to belong to you.

If a kindly fellow decides to remove the offending can from littering the belts, thus reducing lag for the rest of us, he is indeed doing a service to the community and could under no descrition be classed as a thief or pirate.

ONCE YOU MINE INTO A JETCAN, IT BELONGS TO ANYONE.

Please note that even if the ore is in your cargo hold, I may decide it's mine anyway and unwrap your hulk from it for scoopings into my hold YARRRR!!


HE BREAK RULE 17!!!

Traideia
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx
Surely once you, as a hardworking miner, decide to jettison the ore from YOUR cargo hold, it ceases to belong to you...

ONCE YOU MINE INTO A JETCAN, IT BELONGS TO ANYONE...



And there you have it. But if you don't have a hauler alt or someone willing to haul for you then keep the ore in the cargo hold. It's really that simple.

I flip cans btw.. just for ****s and giggles.. enjoy your mining.

Millie Clode
Amarr
Insert Cool Name Here
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: captain foivos
In the out as posting forums Crime Punishment and process mining parrots can stuff has exploded.


+1

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:24:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Gramps Pank
If ore theft is a crime [..] then nerf it as much as piracy


If you do get a motorcycle in Korea, please lock it up!

Alt Tabbed
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:20:00 - [13]
 

Gladys


Sai Nunnie
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:54:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: lord Goa'uld
It puts the ore can in the belt or else it gets the hose again ! YARRRR!!


I LOL'ed at this Cool

Das Brute
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:28:00 - [15]
 

You left off the part of no barges allowed in .8 or higher. intro level frigs only for mining (Bantams, etc). If you are going to macro, at least keep it to a controllable level there OP. Shocked

Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Gramps Pank
Hello I am Korean gamer


Go play Warcraft 1.

Rachel McTingle
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:49:00 - [17]
 

Least obvious troll ever.

Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:12:00 - [18]
 

Babelfish, no1 producer of lol-worthy forum posts.

Bro Diddley
Posted - 2010.08.03 21:06:00 - [19]
 

Hello my friend and thank you for good feeling to this post. My friend student of English and making this post again in the better language. I include here hoping it make better understanding to my emotion.

Thank you for time.

Bare with me on this lengthy and time consuming post.

It seems to me that this particular forum has been hijacked by ore thief posts and the like over the past few weeks and so I thought it about time that I stick my 2 and a half isk into the pot and give you my lowdown on it. This is how I see it.

****RANT MODE ENGAGED****

THE SITUATION

The theft of ore from the cans of miners is part and parcel of the game. It is no less lawful than the activities of pirates, but we accept that activity into our everyday EVE life. So why is this? Simple. Punishment. CCP have gone to great lengths to protect the player base (majority) from pirates by placing uber-sentry guns in prominent positions and having the long arm of the law conveniently closeby to intercept would be pirates in 0.5 and above. The higher the sec rating of the system, the harder it is to pirate. So it would be fair to argue that seeing as ore theft is as criminal as piracy (from an RL point of view) what do CCP do to protect miners from such crimes? Well, nothing. It is fair to say that only the very brave or very stupid would attempt an ore pinch in a 0.4 or below. In my opinion, anyone who has their ore pinched in one of these systems deserves everything they get. At the very least you should have drones to hand the perpetrators arse to them in this situation. However, with the fire-on-be-killed constraints in 0.5, this is not possible. Are we seeing a situation where piracy is "not permitted" but theft is? An interesting and controversial position, and the single reason why we see so many "ore-theft-posts".

THE SOLUTION?
The outlawing of ore theft in systems 0.8 and above.
By that I mean removing ore from another players can without being in their gang. You want to haul? You join the gang. You have your personal losses in your own hands. You are not in gang and take ore from another can (identified with corp ticker) = you can be fired upon without response from Concord. This serves as a protection for newer players trying to get a start and retains the element of danger in systems between 0.5 and 0.7. A brash and un-researched solution perhaps, but one for the think tank I would hope. If ore-theft is a crime (and lets face it, it is) then nerf it as much as pirating has been over the last few months.

CONCLUSION

To:
ORE THIEVES = You are not expected to have honour or moral values when asked to refrain from stealing ore from players in newb systems and from those with more integrety than you. (ie. work hard and honestly for your ISK) Therfore you will be punished to the full extent of the law in said systems. You commit crime, you do the time. (in a pod )

MINERS = Mine freely knowing you have a way to protect your hard work = 0.8 to 1.0. If you want to avoide theft of your ore stay above 0.7, if you want to earn more money quicker, goto below 0.7 but accept the associated risks.

PIRATES = Your chosen paths are hard enough, and though I think they should be, I also think it fair that other crimes suffer the same punishments that you face.

FORUM NAME DROPPERS = I understand why people come onto the forums and complain about ore thieves. There are no controls over their identity and level of criminal activity and although pirate flamers are a common site, more so the ore-thief posters because at lease you know a pirate is a pirate by either there corp, bounty or sec-rating (in most cases). You also know you are LESS likely to see a pirate in 0.8 and higher. The names given of ore theives on the forums acts as a "heads up" and almost as a diluted police force in warning the community. But that said, most cases of ore theft can be avoided - this system would cement those cases.

Gramps Pank
Posted - 2010.08.03 21:07:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Gramps Pank on 03/08/2010 21:07:43
This is by no means a full and complete argument, but if a system similar to this was considered then I think the amount of "Oh he stole my ore!" and "Oh he is a tosser" posts would be reduced. An argument for the balancing of criminal activity?

You decide.


*Sorry above posting is me on alt Embarassed < I am embarrass.

Cory Mansini
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.08.03 21:32:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Das Brute
You left off the part of no barges allowed in .8 or higher. intro level frigs only for mining (Bantams, etc). If you are going to macro, at least keep it to a controllable level there OP. Shocked


+1


Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.08.03 23:47:00 - [22]
 

Oooh oooh, I have an idea.

Let's make all 1.0 Systems "Civilian" systems, and you can only fly free frigs and shuttles there, where your ships self-destructs if you even target another player. All items dropped are Civilian mods and all minerals are civilian ore and can only be used to build civilian mods that can only be sold to NPCs for 0.01 ISK per (effective) 1,000,000 units of ore.

Gah!

When you put something in a can, you're saying that anyone can take from it, but you hope they don't because it's your can. And thus the game allows you the right to try to stop them if they do.

Reading posts like this almost makes me want to go hunt down miners and steal their ore.

-G

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2010.08.03 23:59:00 - [23]
 

How do you reel em in so easily?

c00lina
Posted - 2010.08.04 00:00:00 - [24]
 

In russia ore thief you!






P.S. 1/10.

jimmyjam
Gallente
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2010.08.04 02:16:00 - [25]
 

To the op if anyone fell for this i would feel very sad.Just a glance at what you wrote tells the story of a little boy who wants e-love from this forum.Tiem to make a new char and or alt rethink and try it again.

Lavraen
Animus Furandi
Posted - 2010.08.05 22:06:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Gramps Pank


Hello I am Korean gamer loving the spaceship lifestyle and great mood of this space. But, I am experience some sadness yet making the suggestion.

Care Bear Countdown 5-4-3-2-1

Who's that commin' from somewhere up in the sky?

Moving fast and bright as a firefly

Just when you think the trouble's gonna pounce

who's gonna be there when it really counts?

Do the Care Bear countdown

and send a wish out through the air.

Just do the Care Bear countdown-

when you need them they'll be there.

Don't be afraid when trouble's brewing' in your heart

If you can dream just send a wish out in the dark,

and do the Care Bear's countdown 5-4-3-2-1




FIXED

the lovebug
Posted - 2010.08.05 23:36:00 - [27]
 

100m and i will protect your ore

Vesok Toch
Posted - 2010.08.06 00:16:00 - [28]
 

http://www.engrish.com/

Clown Pron
Posted - 2010.08.06 00:32:00 - [29]
 

What's a minner?

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.08.06 00:39:00 - [30]
 

In order to steal enough ore to profit, these guys are going to have to have a hauler ship to do it. Now a haulers not going to last long against T2 drones, pop him.


However, the fact that the thief can then come back in a combat ship and reengage is the issue.


Imo, if you steal, once you're popped, you shouldn't be able to reengage the guy that popped your bait ship.


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