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Rock Muffin
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:23:00 - [1]
 

Im a bit annoyed of the people who scans for ships in deadspace, jump in the middle of my missions and salvage my wrecks without being flagged.

Ofc i can just salvage while i kill NPC's but its still very annoying that someone can steal my wrecks and there aint a damn thing i can do about it unless i want Concord to blow up my ship.

What are the reason that salvage-pirates dont get flagged as hostile when they salvage the stuff i killed? Ive been looking for an answer to that but cant seem to find it.

Eastern Promise
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:25:00 - [2]
 

Return from whence you came? To wit, go back to WoW.

Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:29:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Captain Yifan on 02/08/2010 12:33:57
Edited by: Captain Yifan on 02/08/2010 12:31:53
Dear Paul Clavet:

Your Carebear alt/troll/faketear maker still needs work.


fly safe


To the OP:

EvE does not work exactly like WoW. The salvage does not belong to anybody and in order to make profit from it you need to beat someone to it. Either by using a Dominix/Rattlesnake/Marauder and salvage while you mission, or using a salvage alt, or avoid major mission hubs, or let your friend salvage it for you, or just skip the salvage, etc etc etc.

To summarise, EvE is a competitive PvP game.

Rock Muffin
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:38:00 - [4]
 

I know, but it dont change the fact that its annoying.


Retcha Whellae
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:41:00 - [5]
 

Be a man! Stop complaining and do something about it... Whether it's beating them to the wrecks or just popping the wrecks...

Rock Muffin
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:49:00 - [6]
 

Ehh?

All i did was to say that i was annoyed at this and asked if there had been a reason/debate somewhere about this issue.

There is no need to tell me to stop complaining or to go play some other mmo, guess its too hard for most people to answer a simple question or leave a comment that dont look like it is written by ignorants.


lord xavier
V I R I I
Posted - 2010.08.02 12:51:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Retcha Whellae
Be a man! Stop complaining and do something about it... Whether it's beating them to the wrecks or just popping the wrecks...

Nothing ****es off a ninja salvager more then popping wrecks while they try to salvage.

Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.08.02 13:03:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Captain Yifan on 02/08/2010 13:04:05
Originally by: Rock Muffin
Ehh?

All i did was to say that i was annoyed at this and asked if there had been a reason/debate somewhere about this issue.

There is no need to tell me to stop complaining or to go play some other mmo, guess its too hard for most people to answer a simple question or leave a comment that dont look like it is written by ignorants.




Here it is:

Per CCP Mitnal:
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Per CCP Incognito :
Originally by: CCP Incognito
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)

So yes, it is a good idea to stop complaining. On top of that, complaining in the Crime and Punishment forum will generally end up you being flamed or trolled.

Rock Muffin
Posted - 2010.08.02 13:14:00 - [9]
 

Thank you Mr. Yifan.

That was exactly the kind of response i was hoping to get.

Have a nice day and fly safe.

Bal'Ayle
Minmatar
Exodia Industries
Posted - 2010.08.02 13:20:00 - [10]
 

simply put wreckage is wreckage, if a car crashes on the road and there is a wingmirror left in the bushes its free for all, if you break open a piggy bank and take out the cash, the broken pig isnt what you would call an asset.

as you said yourself they are wrecks, they don't belong to you, the stuff that's inside them is technically junk if it was something more then that it would be a flaggable offence to steal them but its not, its just scrap
after you salvage 100's of ships you might have enough to make a rig or two

its something LOTS of eve players clash on, the easiest deterent is to shoot the wrecks

if you spend ages flying to them to find them popped it makes you lose interest quickly

Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.02 13:33:00 - [11]
 

dear rock muffin, thank you for thread 300 on the topic, the links that were provided to you were most likely take from one of the hundreds of other threads, eve has been around a long time, a forum search or two can aswer alot of questions

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.08.02 16:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Captain Yifan
Dear Paul Clavet:

Your Carebear alt/troll/faketear maker still needs work.


fly safe


This absolutely makes my day.

The Crushah
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.08.02 16:51:00 - [13]
 

Meh, I was hoping for more righteous indignation.


captain foivos
Posted - 2010.08.02 17:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Rock Muffin
Im a bit annoyed of the people who scans for ships in deadspace, jump in the middle of my missions and salvage my wrecks without being flagged.

Ofc i can just salvage while i kill NPC's but its still very annoying that someone can steal my wrecks and there aint a damn thing i can do about it unless i want Concord to blow up my ship.

What are the reason that salvage-pirates dont get flagged as hostile when they salvage the stuff i killed? Ive been looking for an answer to that but cant seem to find it.


Obvious troll is obvious.

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.08.02 17:51:00 - [15]
 

0/10

The sentiment wasn't original or even interesting, also the name is boring.

You Dobber
Trotters Independent Traders Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.02 20:10:00 - [16]
 

i personally like salvager's even though i'm a missioner and i'm friendly with a few. At the end of the day its a profession for some people so grow up and stop getting annoyed over a internet spaceship game

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.08.04 09:12:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Rock Muffin
All i did was to say that i was annoyed at this


No, you went further by referring to wrecks as YOUR wrecks:

Originally by: Rock Muffin
its still very annoying that someone can steal my wrecks and there aint a damn thing i can do


Wrecks aren't your wrecks by game rule.

It's interesting however human hunting behaviour seems to assume "The remains of what I hunted down is mine".

And as a matter of fact you can strive to salvage first. Cheetahs can get a fast bite of game here and there despite hyenas present.

Razzor Death
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.08.04 09:24:00 - [18]
 

does anyone else think 13 year old girls should get abortion cards that mean they don't have to wait to see a clinic ?



Poo Ka'hontas
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.04 09:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Razzor Death
does anyone else think 13 year old girls should get abortion cards that mean they don't have to wait to see a clinic ?



I think 13yo girls should be playing, doing homework and spend time with their families.

Razzor Death
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.08.04 09:37:00 - [20]
 

what about barbies home abortion studio ?

(this thread is now about outdated trolls)

Sol Mahon
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:22:00 - [21]
 

What is wrong with you people?

Someone had a question, it was answered, end of. Seriously all you people calling troll and rating this really need to learn the definition of troll, you all just look like idiots Shocked how do you not see that?

Razzor Death
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:29:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Sol Mahon
What is wrong with you people?

Someone had a question, it was answered, end of. Seriously all you people calling troll and rating this really need to learn the definition of troll, you all just look like idiots Shocked how do you not see that?


2/10 troll needed more religious debate.


Sol Mahon
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Razzor Death
Originally by: Sol Mahon
What is wrong with you people?

Someone had a question, it was answered, end of. Seriously all you people calling troll and rating this really need to learn the definition of troll, you all just look like idiots Shocked how do you not see that?


2/10 troll needed more religious debate.




Thank you for proving my point so elequently

Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
Posted - 2010.08.04 12:37:00 - [24]
 

Two options,

Ninja salvager enters site: target wrecks worth salvaging - Fire.

Second option: convo salvager and offer him the opertunity to salvage / loot all your missions if he pays you % of the value.

missing option: stop crying and get on with life.

Moreto
Posted - 2010.08.05 06:53:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: lord xavier
Nothing ****es off a ninja salvager more then popping wrecks while they try to salvage.

I still consider this a win for me, it takes them longer to make the wrecks then it takes me to scan them down.

Originally by: Sonkut
Second option: convo salvager and offer him the opertunity to salvage / loot all your missions if he pays you % of the value.

I take this offer up if they give it to me, I don't mind sharing like that, plus they might let me tag along on future missions.

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.08.05 07:59:00 - [26]
 

Out of the ruins
Out from the wreckage
Can't make the same mistake this time
We are the children
the last generation
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change
Living under the fear till nothing else remains

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

Looking for something we can rely on
There's got to be something better out there
Love and compassion, their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change
Living under the fear till nothing else remains
All the children say

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

So, what do we do with our lives
We leave only a mark
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing

kiki mo
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.08.05 16:39:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Rock Muffin
I know, but it dont change the fact that its annoying.




ummm...this forum is 'Crime and Punishment' not 'Annoyed and Whining'

Gumlin31
Posted - 2010.08.05 18:40:00 - [28]
 

I'd like to note for the record that as a former ninja salvager, I found it hilarious when people shot the wrecks and thought it had any affect on my operations. (All it really did is reduce my workload before going to the next level 4 guy)

I also found it funnier that the one or two guys who did so used projectile weapons to do it thus wasting ammo to no avail.

GG guys! YARRRR!!

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.08.05 18:46:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Rock Muffin

What are the reason that salvage-pirates dont get flagged as hostile when they salvage the stuff i killed? Ive been looking for an answer to that but cant seem to find it.


Like it would make a difference. You are not going to shoot them anyway.

Xzar Fyrarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.08.05 19:47:00 - [30]
 

-Rapidly fast hand signals and such-

Secret Technique of the Village Hidden in Space ;

SpaceTrolling Jutsu!


The salvage isn't yours. It is , for all intents and purposes, mines.

Carry on.


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