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Posted - 2010.08.02 08:46:00 - [1]

Edited by: Mavrk on 02/08/2010 09:12:05
Plain and simple, Corporations should not be able to surrender implicitly when leaving an alliance. This mechanic is far overused to save POS's in Highsec from attack. Its impossible to do any mercenary work related on the matter. For a wardec that costs 50 million isk when not engaged with anything at the start, only to watch as the corporation who was the designated target leave the alliance and get off scott-free with a "Corporation X has surrendered to you. We're sorry, but you have no choice but to let them go on their merry old game breaking ways."

Petitioning is not effective. For action to take place, GM's must have proof that the corporation has left the alliance to dodge the wardec, and only to dodge it, and it is only feasible to prove it if the corporation decides to rejoin the alliance. Lucky for the scared weasels that can't defend their own assets, they are able to lie all they want to GM's to give reason that the leave was reasonable.

So I come forward with a somewhat reasonable fix: Corporations that leave an Alliance during a declaration war should have an option tied to them of whether or not the attacking group would like to pay to append war rights to the defecting corp. Group A attacks alliance B with corp C in it. C leaves alliance B. Group A gets an option to war dec C instantly, (assuming they pay for the new declaration, and have one of their three slots open).

This takes away the ability for a corp to dodge a POS loss by simply leaving alliance the instant it gets attacked, and having a full 48 hours to repair it, strip it of all items and leave a barren tower with nothing but defenses.

Bottom line: Eve is all about risk and reward. If I pay good money to attack your POS, and you simply leave to cheat your way out of a loss, you are breaking the system. People who suicide gank someone cannot escape concord by just logging off. People who put their assets on display for the whole world had better be able to defend them. And if they cannot defend them, they should pay to defend them. And if they can't afford to defend them, then they don't deserve them.

*flame suit on, ready for angsty war dodgers*

Posted - 2010.08.02 09:12:00 - [2]

posting to support my own idea.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.08.02 09:41:00 - [3]

Why not just let declarations be able to overlap the cool-down so that you can declare as soon you see the surrender mail.
With 24hrs to activation, by overlapping the aggression against the carebear POS can be continued uninterrupted minus any tardiness on the aggressors part.
When declaring, and the target is a specific structure, let the declaration be against a corp at an alliance fee. If corporation drops then next bill is lower but war continues unabated ..

Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2010.08.02 16:01:00 - [4]

Edited by: Rip Minner on 02/08/2010 16:03:07
Not supported.

Nothing stoping you from wardecing the corp directly now.

This is just a case of buro red ink over powering the sword. Same thing happends in real life all the time I see no reson to change this in game.

How can you call yourselfs warrors when crying over pen ink. So you have to wait a day or three before geting to spill more blood. Get over it.ugh

Edit: you dont even have to wait any time to gank the corp mebers. Just fit up mister cheap fleet fit ganker and get them. You can make them pay for leaving to pass the time that you can renew your assult on the tower.

Posted - 2010.08.02 17:19:00 - [5]

Originally by: Rip Minner

Nothing stoping you from wardecing the corp directly now.


Highsec wardec costs were already lowered to chump-change. Why don't CCP just give you free kill mails instead? It's a multiplayer game, you don't get everything to go your way all the time.

Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.08.02 17:28:00 - [6]

A: Throwing a fit over 50mil ISK - Epic Fail
B: Failing to understand that you can re-wardec fleeing corporation - Even worse fail.

Sorry pal... while your motivations are spot on... as well as your intended inclination.
You got some serious holes in your thinking.

And if you say you have too many war-decs... well that's your problem.

And the above is very likely why the GM's don't bother much as it is.


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