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Mors Hades
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:13:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mors Hades on 03/08/2010 03:31:51
Is this phrase a reality?, It seems so.
I have several years in the game and I'm a miner among other things, some time since I've noticed that despite having sent several petitions, the GM`s does not seem to mind the fact that there are Macros mining, and seem to all use the same message response.
MACROS I have reported for over a month still are quietly mining.
The most surprising of all, many of which had reported MACROS months ago and who had allegedly left the game have returned to their old tricks!
So, what happens? The MACROMINERS are now legal in EVE?, CCP lost the fight?. legal miners are not sufficient to sustain the market? or would rise much ore price?
It's a shame who are neglecting this aspect of the game ...
ahh certainly not going to use my main character, all MACROMINERS will haunt me!

(English is not my native language so please excuse any omission)

This was posted by: LHA Tarawa

Get rid of the fixed belts and make them all grav sites that have to be scanned down. Make them so small they can be mined out in an hour or less with a perfect fit hulk.

I'd like to see a macro written that can work the scanner interface, moving probes around, zooming in and out of the map, nailing the site to 100%....


that's a great idea!, if the belts are in places where you have to use probes,to the macrominers going to be so hard to access them. end of the problem!
This is already implemented in the WH, why is not implemented in the rest of EVE?, if ccp want to get rid of the macros, why they not do that? don`t think it's too complicated to do.

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:16:00 - [2]
 

Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:18:00 - [3]
 

My guess is they get hit 24/7 with false macro miner reports, and it makes it easier for anyone who really does it to get away with it.


Not responding to insults in local? Must be a macro miner.

Hasn't moved in 5 minutes? Must be a macro miner.

That appears to be the extent of the decision process, before reporting one.

oil
Double-L
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:19:00 - [4]
 

mr adida whats your stance on the 90 % botpopulation in the drone lands? no i have no proof thats the real percentage but next to everybobdy knows whats going on.

Simply Human
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:24:00 - [5]
 

How can you prove they're using a macro?

CCP isn't going to ban everyone that doesn't like you.

REQUIN TIRAN
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:24:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.


CCP Adida, that was exactly what I did, and nothing happened, how many requests I have to send? 10? 100?, With one does not seem enough ...

Smelly Bait
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.


What about macro npc'ing/ratting? I have heard that this isnt vs eula because u gain the same amount of resources in the same amount of time u can gather them without macro's.

Claude Hopper
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:27:00 - [8]
 

Watch them for 15 minutes then check server logs?
Not exactly rocket science :P

CCP don't care because they've found their master plan to kill the out of game ISK market, the rest is just flies hitting their windscreen.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:28:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Smelly Bait
Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.


What about macro npc'ing/ratting? I have heard that this isnt vs eula because u gain the same amount of resources in the same amount of time u can gather them without macro's.

Except most people can't rat/run missions 23/7.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:30:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.

I agree with that, however according to the information provided by the OP, and everything I have ever seen, it appears to be "decriminalized".

Mors Hades
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:32:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.


that's the official response? that's what I've been doing for months!, not you read what I wrote?, is the same as ever, you guys always says you are taking care of the matter but nothing happens.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:33:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 01/08/2010 18:36:21
EDIT:

I have reported macro miners and it has been my perception that nothing happens. Please see my later post in this thread. Please report early and often, just like voting.

Apollo

Cone Filler
Perkone
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:37:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Cone Filler on 01/08/2010 15:38:43
Edited by: Cone Filler on 01/08/2010 15:37:36
Originally by: Smelly Bait
Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.


What about macro npc'ing/ratting? I have heard that this isnt vs eula because u gain the same amount of resources in the same amount of time u can gather them without macro's.


Originally by: EULA
Section 7.3 : You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


bolded the important part hence this response

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:38:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 01/08/2010 15:41:41
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.

I agree with that, however according to the information provided by the OP, and everything I have ever seen, it appears to be "decriminalized".


I've reported macro miners who nothing has happened to...ever

My macro test? Well I invite them to fleet ... no response. I invite them to chat ... no response. I bump them away from the rocks no response. No drones. I fleet invite ... no response. I chat request ... no response. I bump them away ... no response.

I don't care if they ignore me in local. I've gotten mining rigs and mined their rocks ... no response.

Submit a petition is a joke, I can understand it takes time to investigate, but 3 weeks later they are still there.


Your error is assuming miners sit there and stare at their lasers for hours, or care about you enough to chat.

When i used to mine i was often alt tabbed and surfing websites, or even gone to the store to pick something up. I'd be interested in knowing how many "OMG MACROMINER" petitions were submitted in his name. Sometimes i'd return to see my ship had been bumped, which we all know is damning evidence of macros being used.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:46:00 - [15]
 

Sorry let me be clear,

When bumped out of range of the rocks, they fly back to the rocks.

I can't accept that a player would sit there and not respond in some way. At LEAST they would reject the chat request, or block me as a player.

I do not think Macro mining is legal in EvE, I just think that they do not fully investigate anything but the most egregious macro miners.

Mors Hades
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:49:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Simply Human
How can you prove they're using a macro?

CCP isn't going to ban everyone that doesn't like you.


I just do not see a guy alone and I report he`s a Macrominer, i spend days until I am sure it is a MACRO, i sent invitations to chat, fleet, etc, and if no response for several days, I report it as a possible macro.
No player can be 100% sure that other is a MACRO, but for that we have CCP right?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:50:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
My macro test? [stuff]


Does your test involve sitting there and watching them for 10-20 minutes waiting for a reply, or are the miners supposed to acknowledge your annoyances within your own attention span?

The funniest part of this is that most of the people I've ever seen bump my ships away from asteroids have had stuff in their bio about the macrointel channel, but they never appear on that channel. So when someone bumps me, tries to invite me to chat, says hello in local, and threatens to get macrointel on my case, who am I to believe - the person doing the bumping or the folks in macrointel?

In many cases they lose interest after a couple of minutes - usually before my Hulk has completed two cycles with the strip miners.

So I'd just like to make sure - have you guys claiming to have found macro miners actually hung around for any length of time, or are you convinced after two minutes and twenty seven seconds that this miner is a macro because they aren't answering your ultra-important prompting?

Catherine Griffin
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.01 15:55:00 - [18]
 

Yes well I've seen too many 23/7 miners that are ALWAYS in the same system, never use drones, always target the closest ores, just take on the ore you're mining whan it happens to be the closest, never ever react to convos ..

I guess CCP has no way to prove someone is a macro miner and they lack the manpower to really go after it (like many other things). So sure, "officially" it's not allowed but in the meantime ...

Tam Althor
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:11:00 - [19]
 

As much as I don't like what CCP is not doing for the game these days, banning of macro's is something that they do very well. Do a search for "Unholy Rage" just one of many mass bans of macros. CCP likes to build up a big list of accounts being used for macro mining and missioning, then follow the ISK to the ISK sellers. When they have the network identified there are mass bans that range from a few hundred accounts to a few thousand accounts.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:15:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.

I agree with that, however according to the information provided by the OP, and everything I have ever seen, it appears to be "decriminalized".


I've reported macro miners who nothing has happened to...ever

My macro test? Well I invite them to fleet ... no response. I invite them to chat ... no response. I bump them away from the rocks no response. No drones. I fleet invite ... no response. I chat request ... no response. I bump them away ... no response.

I don't care if they ignore me in local. I've gotten mining rigs and mined their rocks ... no response.

Submit a petition is a joke, I can understand it takes time to investigate, but 3 weeks later they are still there.



The REAL test:

Suicide their ship.
If they hang there - possibly a macro or fell asleep.
If the pod is going back to the station, docking, and coming back to the belt on an interval, then that is certainly a macro. Fraps that and send the link to the youtube with the petition.


And yes, all miners should start the practice of suicide ganking other miners that they suspect are macros. Are your drones not killing enough belts rats that your security status can't survive a hit once in a while?



Mors Hades
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:21:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tam Althor
As much as I don't like what CCP is not doing for the game these days, banning of macro's is something that they do very well. Do a search for "Unholy Rage" just one of many mass bans of macros. CCP likes to build up a big list of accounts being used for macro mining and missioning, then follow the ISK to the ISK sellers. When they have the network identified there are mass bans that range from a few hundred accounts to a few thousand accounts.


I do not think that is so, Why i see this MACROS come back again?, Macros that i believed CCP had removed from the game?, and now they are in others systems and have even come back to where I mining?

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:22:00 - [22]
 

They may not be legal but unless the player's account is involved in RMT, you know selling isk for $ then they are unlikely to be pursued/punished at least not with any speed. CCP's primary interest in RMT accounts, buyers/sellers/etc and of course hackers, then everything else they have to deal with over some player doing what a person could do if they had no job/life/were on crack.

The macro miner basically gets away with it as there are no easy ways for players to verify that it isn't a person. CCP can send a dev/gm out there to threaten them if they don't respond etc. Even that doesn't mean a person would believe that CCP was out in space threatening their account if they didn't acknowledge their humanity.

There is/was something in the EULA about not being permitted to use 3rd party programs that would allow you to gain an advantage over other players or accelerate game play. So a macro mining program that works just as you would do if you were there mining isn't against the EULA, AFAIK.

Personally I gave up reporting macro's, yes I monitored them for hours, days, weeks, and noted they worked 23/7 or at least everytime I was on, occasionally acted like broken macros, when I was in that system for a long period of time.

IT is far too easy to check those non-existent logs to see what accounts are on say 20+ hours nearly everyday and pop in to see they are mining, then look at where their isk goes. Are they spending the isk themselves or sending it over to another account all the time if that is the case then they might be a macro. CCP has the tools to go after people macro mining that they don't is for any number of reasons real or made up.

Genya Arikaido
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:40:00 - [23]
 

I've stopped petitioning these asshats a long time ago. CCP does nothing about them, instead, they expect us to fix the problem via suicide ganking...which is oddly satisfying. :P

Jonna Bluemoon
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:43:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.
Account sharing aint eather, but practically every large corporation and large alliances are sharing ceo accounts, jf accounts etc etc...

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2010.08.01 16:44:00 - [25]
 

Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items


That doesn't cover intelligent bots :D

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.08.01 17:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.


It may not be "legal", but as long as one isn't engaged in RMTing, there certainly dont seem to be any consequences for doing it.

mia mia
Caldari
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.08.01 17:18:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
It may not be "legal", but as long as one isn't engaged in RMTing, there certainly dont seem to be any consequences for doing it.

It would be interesting to see how many accounts get banned on a regular basis for this kind of stuff.

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.08.01 17:24:00 - [28]
 

I once reported macor miners. They're still macromining. Only moved to another system.

gfldex
Posted - 2010.08.01 17:37:00 - [29]
 

Quite a few ppl in this thread imply that removing the macro miner in the moment he is reported is the right way to go.

Interweb forumses would be a much better place if more ppl would actively use their brains.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.08.01 17:50:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Bhattran on 01/08/2010 17:50:07
Originally by: gfldex
Quite a few ppl in this thread imply that removing the macro miner in the moment he is reported is the right way to go.

Interweb forumses would be a much better place if more ppl would actively use their brains.


I don't see that, I see 'rage' that the suspects are reported over and over and CCP appears not to do anything about it, ie they don't investigate or finding nothing do not tell players through the petition, if it is kept open for that long that the matter is settled. One would think that a macro suspect would accumulate a history of getting reported and once confirmed/proven innocent future concerns could get looked into by CCP more quickly. The way it works seems to support macro'ing is fine so long as you don't hack the game or RMT.

I think anyone in EVE can see the dangers of banning players based on other players reportsm that isn't the way to do it.


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