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Poproid Fofunn
Posted - 2010.08.01 11:06:00 - [1]

Edited by: Poproid Fofunn on 01/08/2010 17:29:32
Edited by: Poproid Fofunn on 01/08/2010 11:11:45
Back story: I was recently robbed by an in corp thief, and once I started to investigate how I, the end user or my CEO can monitor what happened to the corp assets. There I stumbled in a dead end issue. CCP developed the in game corp management design so that a thief has all the advantages to steal corp property once he reaches some sort of access privileges, or in worst case of shared corp hangars the option to clear corps assets without trace back to him, while the victim of such thievery and the CEO stays without the option to prevent it. Even in case of a single man being given the privilege to manage corp assets and some asset "disappear" the CEO has no proof that the privileged person took it as no record can be brought as a fact.
In the case as I described I turned to CCPs GM via a petition as I had no suspicion that some one just came and took my items (2 bil worth of ships been stolen) and I claimed that the items were probably lost in the recent database issues, GM started an investigation about some items that I have lost. He informed me that the items are not lost but someone just claimed the assets from the shared hangar. On the request to see the log that it was indeed another user and not a server glitch I again found myself in dead end. The GM refused to disclose the other users actions as by CCPs policy and EULA, neither was he able to face me with any fact that the item was not lost in the database glitch.

Even when I claimed that this is a flaw in the game design that me as a end user can't track to what happened to the lost item, was it really taken by other user or was it deleted, the GM just leaves you in doubt.

So after I started wondering around the web to find similar stories, and as it seems that the game has dis balance in the corp management, and the tools provided in game. The GM is able to track where and what happened to an item, while the CEO can't nor any other official figure in corp. As so it gives all the advantages to the thief and load of frustration to the managers and the victim. The victim can't retaliate to the act of in corp thievery nor the managers have the tools to track and remove the thieves.

Solution: Add to the corp hangars changes log, no need for a too much long log, a 7 days in my opinion is enough. So that an official figure (CEO, Security Officer) can access and see who took what. By so giving factual evidence to the end users of what happened to their assets. This will prevent frustration from the victims and will warn the thief that if he be found stealing he can be punished for that.
Another fun idea that I thought is to make a new skill in corp management "Access Log Decryption" so if you got level 1 it will take you about 5 days to decrypt the log, find out who took what and then find the thief. At level 5 it will take 24h to decrypt, this means less time for the thief to run away with stolen goods.

the con's of this solution is more items to process on server side, but as it looks that those records already there as the GMs can access it. Idea

Fatty Boy
Posted - 2010.08.01 22:08:00 - [2]

Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.08.01 23:28:00 - [3]

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 01/08/2010 23:29:14
I was about to post saying your throwing a fit over corp theft but then I see your just complaining about the lack of the who/what and not necessarily the "theft".

Theft is normal in this game... but I for one would like a log book for ANY corporation hanger (Station/Outpost/POS's).

Put it into API so it can be tracked by apps like EVEHQ.

Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.08.01 23:52:00 - [4]

Corp and alliance roles and permissions need a total revamp.

This would be a good part of that.

Poproid Fofunn
Posted - 2010.08.02 06:48:00 - [5]

Edited by: Poproid Fofunn on 02/08/2010 06:53:03
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 01/08/2010 23:29:14
Theft is normal in this game... but I for one would like a log book for ANY corporation hanger (Station/Outpost/POS's).

Put it into API so it can be tracked by apps like EVEHQ.

Well I agree that theft should be possible, but I don't agree that you can't find out who stole something and you have no option to counter the theft. It's like having bank employees with the access code to the vault, but the vault comes without a cam recorder to see who entered. Now all are suspects if anything goes missing but the bank manager has no evidence when or who took something out. Even if only the security officer knows the access code, and he becomes the main suspect the manager still can't prove that the security officer took something, and the security officer can't say it the other way that the manager took out the missing item.
Now if there was a log, the manager can see clearly who was the last person taking an item out, and if that person doesn't agree to place the item back then by that he declares being a thief and the corp can deal with it by standard actions (claiming the thieves assets and blowing his ships up).
Or the thief knows that the CEO can monitor who stole what, so he need to plan his theft very careful, like any bank robbers they need to have a plan of escape, i.e. hide all his personal assets, remove the ships from poses, do the theft, resign from corp and run so that the CEO and rest of the "robbed" corp will have a new target to chase/place bounty on the head.

So I think this will add another aspect to the game.
Today, items go missing and no one can tell what happened to them, the GMs only say that you should have watched your assets closer, so you go mad to find out who took your ship but can't do anything, you loose trust in your corp mates (this counters CCP's idea that people should join corps), in the end you are left as victim of crime without the option to revenge your hurt soul(think I'm over dramatizing here).

About the API thing - I feel that if we pay for the product it should give us all the needed tools in game provided by the developer (who's pay check we the customers pay) and not provided by third party developers who do it free of cost.

The Deliberate Forces
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:44:00 - [6]

Can be usefull.

Frontier Explorer's League

Posted - 2010.08.03 18:25:00 - [7]

As a CEO who has had his corp ripped off several times, i too am annoyed with the inability to track thefts. The only way to even begin to theorize who has stolen is to run multiple member searches to weed out those who have access, but for general hangars it does nothing. A change log would be excellent, i however dislike the concept of making this a skill based thing.

Up: Corp hangar change logs for all hangars in all forms, perhaps with an API feed.
Down: Skill related "decrypting" (unless it allows for someone without access to eliminate the log thus allowing for some legit gaming)

Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.08.03 19:03:00 - [8]

It would be nice to be able to track changes to selected corp hangars. Even if it wasn't to track corp thefts, it would be nice to see who is grabbing corp ships.

Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.08.03 20:01:00 - [9]

Originally by: Poproid Fofunn

Scuse me? I wasn't saying you don't need to know whose stolen what.

Hell I had a director who got his account hacked... I would love nothing more than to beat the ever living #### out of the guy who stole our directors stuff and my corp assets.

so please... don't misunderstand me when I say I'm in favor of finding out who/what for the interest of logging.

My main point however is I initially thought you where griping about the theft.

Theft is a normal way of life in EVE... can't stop it... but nothing should stop us CEO's/Director's from tracking down the jerk who did said act.

Yeay Fritg
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.08.04 11:04:00 - [10]


Iridium Inc.
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.08.06 15:42:00 - [11]



Posted - 2010.08.06 17:58:00 - [12]

Endorsed Good prop

Element 115.

Posted - 2010.08.06 17:59:00 - [13]


Vicious Bob
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:01:00 - [14]

Definately be very useful.

Posted - 2010.08.06 18:01:00 - [15]

A long overdue ability! Good prop!

Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:02:00 - [16]

Totally agree revamp is needed to help corp managment all together,

Posted - 2010.08.06 18:05:00 - [17]

Please do this.

Mystic Warr1or
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:06:00 - [18]


Accelerated Research and Manufacturing Sciences
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:13:00 - [19]

Good idea!

Dead Rickman
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:17:00 - [20]


Slyton Silur
Wolves Of Legend
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:21:00 - [21]

Edited by: Slyton Silur on 06/08/2010 18:30:04
I concur. This would be a very good for everyone

Shmak DatAsh
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:22:00 - [22]


Sgt Lamb
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:25:00 - [23]

Edited by: Sgt Lamb on 06/08/2010 18:26:22

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:26:00 - [24]

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 06/08/2010 18:25:57
Needed more than air tbh.


Janis Yagami
Accelerated Research and Manufacturing Sciences
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:31:00 - [25]


Frankie Glyph
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:32:00 - [26]

i fully agree that power is given to the thief and that should not be allowed without some form of tracing them...
you have my support good sir

Posted - 2010.08.06 18:39:00 - [27]

supported in FULL.

Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:47:00 - [28]

Supported. Theft should IMO be allowed but Traceable

Runnin Naked Transport
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:47:00 - [29]

Supported and signed

Posted - 2010.08.06 18:50:00 - [30]

As I am another who suffered an over 2 billion isk loss for my corp from a thief. I fully support 110%

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