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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:24:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Mire Stoude
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.


Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on.

Dirk Mortice
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:28:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Mire Stoude
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.


Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on.





But what would happen to IT then? :lol:

On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:29:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Dirk Mortice
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Mire Stoude
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.


Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on.





But what would happen to IT then? :lol:

On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days


Try 20 vs. 20.


Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:31:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 23:33:49
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Dirk Mortice
On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days


Try 20 vs. 20.



What about 100 vs 1?

Laughing Ah, just kidding...

Xiaodown
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.07.30 00:34:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Nardman


Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.


Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break.


HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID?

CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about!

What if you saw a car advertisement which showed a car driving along a road, and then when you bough it, it wouldn't start - but there was some guy in the back seat saying "so what? The cup holders and the stereo work, what's the big deal?"

If they advertised a game about mining and NPC missions, then we'd have a valid argument on our hands.

But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video.

~X

Al3xii
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.30 00:40:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Nardman


Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.


Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break.


HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID?

CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about!

What if you saw a car advertisement which showed a car driving along a road, and then when you bough it, it wouldn't start - but there was some guy in the back seat saying "so what? The cup holders and the stereo work, what's the big deal?"

If they advertised a game about mining and NPC missions, then we'd have a valid argument on our hands.

But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video.

~X


quoted for truth AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2010.07.30 00:48:00 - [217]
 

Quote:
But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video.


Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any.

10/10

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.30 01:23:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Xiaodown

But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video.



i forgot just how sick awesome that video was


instead of playing eve, i'm just going to watch that video a couple times every night. Cool



god bless teh developers that are trying to make this game as good as it should be
god damn teh management that ignores real problems and ties dev hands with crap decision making

Irritating Troll
Posted - 2010.07.30 01:32:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Mire Stoude
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.


Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on.

Failsauce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv

Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30.

The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.30 01:37:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Irritating Troll
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Mire Stoude
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.


Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on.

Failsauce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv

Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30.

The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements.


not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node.

i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head

chingchongchangy
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:10:00 - [221]
 

http://kotaku.com/5599803/eve-solicits-player-support-players-solicit-lag-fix

Another article

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:17:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 30/07/2010 02:18:45
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 30/07/2010 02:17:31
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Dirk Mortice
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Mire Stoude
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.


Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on.





But what would happen to IT then? :lol:

On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days


Try 20 vs. 20.




See, thats why some of these so and so's make me want to turn emo and cut myself.

In this very thread I was told that "if you don't do it yourself you opinion doesn't mean anything" yet I have fought in battles bigger than that and they were not broken. I was playing on a laptop with mediocre grafix card and it was quite playable.

Quote:
CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about!

Please link me to said advert, please. thank you.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:32:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

See, thats why some of these so and so's make me want to turn emo and cut myself.

In this very thread I was told that "if you don't do it yourself you opinion doesn't mean anything" yet I have fought in battles bigger than that and they were not broken. I was playing on a laptop with mediocre grafix card and it was quite playable.


Well that's good because I hear when there are server problems, having a good GRAFIX card makes that all go away.

chingchongchangy
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:33:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones


See, thats why some of these so and so's make me want to turn emo and cut myself.

In this very thread I was told that "if you don't do it yourself you opinion doesn't mean anything" yet I have fought in battles bigger than that and they were not broken. I was playing on a laptop with mediocre grafix card and it was quite playable.

Quote:
CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about!

Please link me to said advert, please. thank you.

Your welcome.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:49:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Monkey Saturday
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Ranger 1

By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further.



Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot...

3 x 0 = 0


Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag.

Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts...


You mean this one from december 2009? The last time they mentioned lag in their patch notes?

Please point me to the notes that say i'm wrong and i'll gladly say I was wrong.


No, I mean this one, from this month. No apology necessary, there has been a lot of information flying around lately.

Quote:
So then why has the lag increased?? Please enlighten me oh wise one! Can you maybe get that info out of ccp's ass? You seem to be enjoying that place....


Actually client side lag has decreased along with the other overview issues that were introduced last expansion, it is the server side lag that is causing the issues you keep bleating about. Keep trying to copy PL's "fist" technique and you should have less to worry about than most... if you can find the time outside of your incessant whining.

Quote:
On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days


Actually 100v100 hasn't really had any issues, but if you push much beyond 300 in system gun cycle issues begin, and much beyond 500 things go downhill rapidly from there. My saying that most aspects of EVE are quite playable does NOT mean that I don't recognize the current problems with large scale combat. It's irritating and badly in need of a fix, however it does not represent the majority of the game play available in EVE.

Quote:
Try 20 vs. 20.


You must have been on the same node as us. Laughing



Serrad Trenn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.30 03:52:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Al3xii

CCP claims lag is number 1 priority. CCP assigned unknown number of space cowboys ( from 1 to 15 ) to fix the issue. Incarna gets 70. How is the lag number 1 priority? If u are not here to troll - give me a logical response.


I want to build a new garage for my new car next to my house. I hire 10 guys to do this. Also my stove is broken and I hire two other guys to fix it. Then my wife *****es (complains) how my stupid garage isn't as important as fixing the stove so we can cook, which I agree to and tell her the stove is top priority.
Now she calls me a liar because there are still more people working on the garage than on the stove, in spite of the problem with the stove seeming to be more complicated and taking some time to solve. So I'm thinking of redirecting 6 of the garage workers to help repair the stove, even though they probably just stand around and watch carefully, but at least I could -maybe- avoid more *****ing (complaining) from my wife.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.07.30 03:54:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: BuckStrider
Quote:
But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video.


Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any.

10/10

Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight.

At the *most* there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is *perfectly* playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. Very Happy

But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. ugh

Skydell
Caldari
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:06:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: Skydell on 30/07/2010 04:09:47
Best of luck to them. Many aspects of the game are very much broken in they cant be played the way the mechanics have them set up and its Lagg that is the cause. Dominion was the NGE of EvE. I dont know what they did but it really ****ed this game up.

- example of broken EvE: Right now to take down a station with one cycle of dread siege, you need 70 dreads. If you add 100 sub caps, support to that, pit two sides, thats 400 minimum you need in system. 400 in a system, mostly cap will be black screen 'o' death right now. The game wont do it.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:27:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: BuckStrider
Quote:
But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video.


Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any.

10/10

Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight.

At the *most* there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is *perfectly* playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. Very Happy

But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. ugh


QFT.

People really should watch the video they are brandishing as some sort of "truth of false advertising".


Skydell:

1: You don't really know what the NGE is do you.
2: We have taken a couple of stations this last week alone, and dozens over the last few months. Large fleet lag issues made things tricky yes, but far from impossible... or even difficult.

I'm sorry my friend, I'm not disputing there are serious issues with large fleet engagements. But EVE is far from unplayable, even in respect to taking stations and/or territory.

Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:34:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node.

i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head


And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canís accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canít bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:38:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node.

i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head


And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canís accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canít bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default.

Take it to caod you morons.

It's not like either of you has the slightest influance on your alliances actions unless you are claiming to be one of the 10 or so pilots at the top of the food chain that actually run the entire show.. Neutral

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:40:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node.

i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head


And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canís accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canít bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default.



MentalDude strike my e-honor wrecking for lololololol

u mad brah?

And no, I don't join bandwagon blob factories like IT or the NC. I prefer some skill be involved in my game. You know, your talk... only with the walk to back it up.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:43:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 30/07/2010 04:46:57
Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 30/07/2010 04:43:59
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node.

i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head


And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canís accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canít bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default.



We had a fight a few weeks ago, it would have topped out at 300ish (Just GF/Test and Atlas) and we were getting module and grid lag. Three hundred.

What's your solution? Smaller corporations? I wonder what that Sovereignty skill is meant to be for, since CCP clearly expects us to only have about 50 players in each corp.

Your comment about bringing 2000 alts made me laugh since if a defender brings the most people, they win by default (since it means no combat is going to occur.)

Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:46:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Pesky LaRue
I don't believe they are the same thing, it's called an analogy.

We're paying for a product/service and if you're not happy with it, you can cancel - just like you could cancel your ISP, your phone, stop eating at a particular fast-food restaurant, stop buying BP gas, or whatever you choose to illustrate this point.

People become so emotionally attached to their favorite game they stop acting rationally.


I know it was an analogy, but there's obviously a difference in how we think. You seem to be willful enough to cancel your accounts and leave, or perhaps [even though you've invested a lot in monetary and quantum terms] you don't have much genuine investment in the relationships formed within it or the events going on in the game to stick around.

I don't know how you play so i couldn't comment on that. But for me, the social interaction and such is what keeps me here, so i don't see it as black and white as you in that CCP are providing a service, so if i don't like their ineptitude i can just walk away.

Also, your mention of 7 years of "EVE is dying" threads being tolerable and ignorable by CCP doesn't mean that this is going to go the same way. The problem with those past threads is that they were led by consistent forum whiners and the people within just over-exaggerating about the state of the game. I've played as long as you have and i do remember some of them. Stuff like "omg, nano is broken, this game is dying!" to simple things CCP could make changes to and they then put some effort into doing so. They were stupid claims about EVE "dying".

I remember the many many whinethreads over the years based on CCP's way of dealing with controversy in the game and seemingly favouring Band of Brothers, but when GoonSwarm disbanded their alliance, and outcry about CCP attempting to give KenZoku sov and overriding the timer for sov gain touched the nerves of so many people that after a threadnaught, the changes were revoked and CCP put their hands up and apologized for interfering.

So if you think this so-called childish method of dealing with the issue doesn't work on some level, you're mistaken. However, you're free to choose the method you deem most appropriate in dealing with the situation.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:50:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
We had a fight a few weeks ago, it would have topped out at 300ish (Just GF/Test and Atlas) and we were getting module and grid lag. Three hundred..
Well that sucks.

But being curious was it an ad hoc fight that escalated from a smaller conflict? Or was it a pre planned fight on a reinforced node that ccp was notified about?

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:58:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: enterprisePSI on 30/07/2010 04:58:27
Think about it.

I do not think lag will be ever fixed. Unless they restore it 2 expansions ago. And then people will whine again about "ZOMG wheres PI and stuff"

They will deploy a patch that will "pseudo fix" the lag only to destroy it again on next expansion.

Only a well coordinated attempt will force them. Something like getting at least 60% of subscribers to not resub next month. Something like a strike. Off course such a venture is impossible.....

JoBa70
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:05:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight.

At the *most* there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is *perfectly* playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. Very Happy

But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. ugh


It would be logical to realize that this trailer simply advertizes large fleet battles, rather than counting single ships. Oh well...Rolling Eyes

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:05:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: enterprisePSI
Edited by: enterprisePSI on 30/07/2010 04:58:27
Think about it.

I do not think lag will be ever fixed. Unless they restore it 2 expansions ago. And then people will whine again about "ZOMG wheres PI and stuff"

They will deploy a patch that will "pseudo fix" the lag only to destroy it again on next expansion.

Only a well coordinated attempt will force them. Something like getting at least 60% of subscribers to not resub next month. Something like a strike. Off course such a venture is impossible.....


lag will never go away, but they have demonstrated that they can minimize it to the point the game is playable and fun even at larger numbers

what we have now is terrible lag with even moderate numbers and exacerbating that is other terrible lag that seems to show up with minimal numbers, traveling, across the board

they can fix it. if they don't, well we won't be playing this game much longer Razz

what i hope for is that they learn a lesson from this and

-once fixed, try not to screw with performance pertinent code they obviously don't understand anymore
-if they DO change something and performance takes a dive, be responsible enough to say "our bad, we will roll this patch back until we can solve the issue"

ccp shouldn't be afraid to back out of a patch that hurts their game in the future.
chop it up into several pieces if you can't figure out what's tipping the boat. whatever it takes.
if they learn ANYTHING i hope to god they learn this.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:25:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
We had a fight a few weeks ago, it would have topped out at 300ish (Just GF/Test and Atlas) and we were getting module and grid lag. Three hundred..
Well that sucks.

But being curious was it an ad hoc fight that escalated from a smaller conflict? Or was it a pre planned fight on a reinforced node that ccp was notified about?


It was a fight that you wouldn't have to petition for pre-dominion.

Liranan
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.07.30 06:18:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Liranan on 30/07/2010 06:22:51
Can one of the many clueless CCP defenders, like Ranger1, and those who are saying CCP will fix the game once Incarna's been released please show where CCP have said they will reallocate all teams, or at least any number, to fixing EVE?

From the CSM minutes:
Quote:
The discussion focused on introducing new features versus improving existing ones. CCP stated that once Incarna and planetary interaction with its link to Dust are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features.


If you don't know what the bolded word means you need to go back to primary school, which most of you need to anyway.

All ye CCP defenders, defend this:
Quote:
It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.


Do you know what that means? That means that once released Incarna will no longer be new, and all teams will be allocated to working on something new, because fixing Incarna (which will be released in Beta stage) won't bring in new customers. Thus, you will be left with your hair salons, restaurants, clothes shops but none of the will work because CCP won't give you anything to work with. But it's obvious none of you have any clue whatsoever because you can't even look at previous lolexpansions and see that NONE of the features released by CCP have been completed, because advertising a working game doesn't sell, unlike advertising new broken things.

Again, back to primary school because you don't understand the meaning of the word none.

Why are CCP doing this? Because they can. Not because this is their game, because it isn't, this game very much belongs to the players as well as their shareholders and investors, they're doing this because they're the only company who are offering such a game. However this doesn't mean CCP have carte blanche to do as they see fit, because players come and go and looking at the data new players haven't been coming in droves, despite massive advertisement. So, how can this go? This can only go downhill and the data does seem to show that ****ed off players have a habit of doing things in order to force a company to comply with their wishes, before they all leave. CCP may only be interested in obtaining new customers but considering this game has a very low retention rate it's quite funny they're scorning us in order to draw in those birds in the bush, who won't stay anyway, rather than keep those they have in their hands.

And for all those who say the majority of EVE don't live in 0.0 but in Empire: what're you going to do with all your money and minerals when people leave 0.0? You going to hoard your Trit for fun? Do you even know how much low ends it takes to build a Titan? Of course not, if you did you'd know that without 0.0 there would be no industry, because not nearly enough ships are lost in Empire to compensate for the massive draw of minerals cap ship programs require. How about your Golems and your t2 ships? Where you going to get enough moon minerals from when the moons aren't being mine any longer? But hey, you're right, who cares? I say all 0.0 denizens should go to empire and run missions there, then we'll see Threadtitans by carebears about how **** the game and how broken lag is.

The ignorance in this thread is terrifying. Emo hairdressers, hairy chefs and wannabe cool guys all dying to show off their kewl clothing is really pretty aweful to real. There is already a game for you lot: Second Life. But I'll take Incarna as long as I can have a certain moustache, a huge Afro with a certain cute cut and a beautiful black uniform with some sexy emblems, the /March emote and some sexy automatic lines regarding Space Jews Twisted Evil Until then Incarna with its Goth self mutilating little girls can go die in a fire, I want to see the game fixed and I don't mean just lag.


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