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Al3xii
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:40:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?


Speak for urself. Ill miss em. I would rather have them, then an EVE world populated by insects like u , who eat crap and ask for seconds. Mindless drone.

Jagged Bluetooth
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:41:00 - [122]
 

Since DT yesterday I have had horrendous lag ! Sort it out eve for crying out loud man...you guys are robbing us. WE pay the equiv of a game in the shops per month and so we should be getting the quality and service ....I notice a few thousand post here .

All the tinkering you are doing to the actual game and failing quality and general disregard for us...tsk tsk sort it out or eve will become what you are trying to make it another kiddies game like WOW.

P.S. Diablo 3 is out soon ..oopsie

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:42:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?

And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.


Which means its not broken, which is my point.

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:45:00 - [124]
 


Official ? Some irrelevant blogger, quotes some irrelevant forum troll, about some irrelevant battle in some irrelevant backwater, where here some irrelevant suffered some irrelevant lag. HTFU.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:47:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 29/07/2010 18:47:07
Originally by: Al3xii
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?


Speak for urself. Ill miss em. I would rather have them, then an EVE world populated by insects like u , who eat crap and ask for seconds. Mindless drone.


Insects like me who read the dev blogs and understand that they are working on the issue, that they are spending money on the issue. Then come back to the forums and report it for peolpe either too lazy to read them or unable to comprehend.

Your personal insults are ****ing pathetic for the record.

Learn to read or **** off.

Nardman
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:48:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?

And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.


Which means its not broken, which is my point.


Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:51:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Nardman
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?

And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.


Which means its not broken, which is my point.


Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.


Happily, large fleet battles are not the only thing worth doing (even strictly looking at PVP) in EVE. And yes, some of us participate in those same battles every day and still say you have tunnel vision.


Flaming Lemming
Caldari
Puppeteer Press
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:52:00 - [128]
 

looks like the news is spreading

Quote:
This morning CCP issued a statement to CVG, indicating that fixing the lag in large fleet battles was a top priority for the dev team.

"'CCP has invested significant time and resources throughout EVE's history on increasing the performance of fleet fights. We've always had a team of developers devoted to improving our technology and in recent years we made exponential headway through massive server upgrades and initiatives like "Stackless IO".

'Currently, unsurprisingly, this effort is our No.1 development priority and we have given the specialised team carte blanche in re-attaining 1,000+ player fleet battles that EVE is famous for."

It's damage control, of course, but at least now the developer is committed to fixing the problem.

Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:52:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Nardman
Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle...


Some people, including myself, are not so much into that kind of playstyle.

Having said that, NOBODY liked to hear the 18 months message - I think high seccers, low seccers and 0.0 folks agree here.
Also, I do understand the 0.0 fleet folks rage. After all, CCP advertises the huge fleet battles, so they should work.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:53:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: MyMainIsBiomass
It's not just the lag though. It's their refusal to fix numerous other issues.


True but lag is the biggest issue of all by far,.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:54:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll
feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll
troooooollllallalalatroll



Laughing

leboe
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:55:00 - [132]
 

http://kotaku.com/5599803/eve-solicits-player-support-players-solicit-lag-fix


look Ma, my quote is on kotaku! (also sent to destructoid, who are a way better newsite IMO)

Quote:
"The fact is: in December 2009, the game could support 1000 players in a single battle. In the winter 2009 expansion, performance decreased because of new features involving fleet organization. However they never rolled back the changes and instead of kept going forward with more new features that layer new problems on top of old. This cycle is to continue for the next 18 months while CCP works through their planned new feature pipeline."

Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:55:00 - [133]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1358978

I think the above topic is the perfect example of a case where one stubborn person sees an issue and refuses to budge. It kind of sums up the whole "is eve broken?" argument. To the creater of the above topic, a part of Eve is broken. To the vast majority of us we think the operation is perfectly acceptible. This is not to say that there may be room for improvement, but it still is perfectly acceptible and we would rather see time spent on other issues we feel are more important to us.

if you want another example, look at the request for no loot drops... again, a small minority has an opinion, but to the vast majority of us, it's a non-issue.

So as much as you may feel your slice of Eve heaven is broken, well, some of us don't care. Some of us feel our slice is also broken, but should take precedence, and some of us just want new features instead. Does this mean CCP is only listening to one group? No. They are stuck trying to balance appeasing the most people, ensuring a stead stream of revenue to keep the company and game going and making a profit, and doing what they enjoy, which if I had to guess is expanding the content of the game more and more with each expansion.

Will some people get it wrong and argue the game is broken because of few issues they see? Yes. WIll others jump on that bandwagon in the hopes of getting support for thier issue or perhaps generating a bit of ratings buzz with articles like this to bring in revenue from advertisers, perhaps. However, the end result is CCP is trying, stuck doing a balancing act, so really, either accept it, keep pushing to have the features you like fixed, but just don't be surprised when others disagree with you. It's how pretty much anything involving a lot of people will work.

EndersSoul
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:55:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Nardman
After reading their response, I wonder, is CCP lying to MSN or lying to us?



Both ???

18 months is joke
Currently CCP is more interested in increase the player base releasing
any "shiny toy" that could attract more $$$$ , than in fix the game for
customers already paying :(

Al3xii
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:57:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 29/07/2010 18:47:07
Originally by: Al3xii
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?


Speak for urself. Ill miss em. I would rather have them, then an EVE world populated by insects like u , who eat crap and ask for seconds. Mindless drone.


Insects like me who read the dev blogs and understand that they are working on the issue, that they are spending money on the issue. Then come back to the forums and report it for peolpe either too lazy to read them or unable to comprehend.

Your personal insults are ****ing pathetic for the record.

Learn to read or **** off.



CCP claims that the lag is their number one priority. Dev blog shows that the man power allocation for lag drops down to the "other" category consisting of 15 devs in total ( 70 devs for incarna ) So even if i am to assume that the entire "other" category is fixing the lag ( and we know thats not the case ) - Incarna is STILL number one priority hands down. So are u going to start using that gray matter of urs , or keep on clicking ur mandibles? How about he famous 18 months quote?

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:58:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?

And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.


Which means its not broken, which is my point.


Turn off your mining macro and try some endgame. Less talky more shooty.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.07.29 18:59:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 29/07/2010 19:11:05

I dont understand what you're complaining and whining about...CCP gave carte blanche to the lag team and viola...LAG is working as expected! Of course...the "lag-team" are the three people standing by the water cooler since everyone else is working on Incarna and DUST...

Lag-Team Roster:

Johan Smegman (janitor)
Lars Pikbutten (Guy that delivers the mail)
Helga Menstraten (Girl that delivered lunch)

Rolling Eyes





Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:00:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 29/07/2010 19:32:57
Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 29/07/2010 19:28:18
YESSSS!!!!

IT'S OFFICIAL!!!!Cool

I kept thinking it was all in my imagination.ugh


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:03:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Nardman
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?

And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.


Which means its not broken, which is my point.


Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.


Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:05:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

Im an idiot



Yep, you are.

Nardman
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:06:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1


Happily, large fleet battles are not the only thing worth doing (even strictly looking at PVP) in EVE. And yes, some of us participate in those same battles every day and still say you have tunnel vision.




I agree, it's not the only thing worth doing in EvE by a long shot, but CCP advertised and promoted these huge fleet battles and a move to 0.0 with Dominion (which coincidentally was the update that nearly destroyed these things). You say you've participated in real fleet fights, so can I assume you've also experienced the 1, 2, 3, 4+ hours of staring at a black screen waiting for something to load, only to find your ship had been destroyed 5 minutes after "jumping in"? Everyone has read about situations like large cap fleets being destroyed hours after the players piloting the caps had logged off, or the NC's recent ghost ship event that created multiple copies of the same ships because of the lag. I don't see how anyone can claim that the aforementioned situations is part of a game that is working properly.

Jordan Musgrat
Convergent
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:08:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Jordan Musgrat on 29/07/2010 19:12:07
Edited by: Jordan Musgrat on 29/07/2010 19:08:30
I sent the original author this:

Hello, I thought I'd take the time to share a few things with you. Contrary to what the CCP representative told you, CCP is not making EvE online its #1 priority. I guess if you can have about ten #1 priorities, once of which has less than a fourth of the total development team working on it, then you could claim that it is a #1 priority. CCP has stated that it will be 18 months from now, at the earliest, that they will be able to actively give a good amount of attention to our game. Until then, they are working on new "features," which most of the playerbase does not care about and which is simply another time sink. For example, think if part of a game was mining. You click a button to setup some mines, you click another button to setup some silos where the minerals can go, and you go afk for a few hours. If you want to mine efficiently, you must come back to the game very few hours and click the empty silo button to not have the mines stop because of a mineral overflow. You do this several times a day, every day of the week, and at the end of the week, you will have made as much isk as you could have in 2-4 hours in most other ingame professions. Planetary Interaction right now is broken, halfway implemented, and useless.

That would be ok, because we know CCP is going to fix it soon. After all, they have more people working on this one minigame than the whole of eve online. But when CCP talks of things like stackless I/O, and their server upgrades, there's one thing you need to understand. Those things did work, and they worked beautifully. Until December of 2009, when CCP introduced a new patch that not only reversed the progress we saw from those changes, but it made it far worse. Of course with CCP's coding structure, lag will never be solved completely. When they make lag better, all they are doing is raising the limit on how many players can interact before lag starts to get bad again. The problem is that sometimes we cannot even have 50 v 50 fights anymore. Before December 09, we were placing more than 1,000 people into a single system and having actual fights, and we could work with the amount of lag that came our way.

But now, the game is nearly unplayable at the alliance level. People are loathe to attack each other in force, and when someone does attack, all the other guy has to do is stick 500 people in the system beforehand, so that anyone jumping into the system will lag out and die before their client is even able to respond to what's shooting them.

Anyways, the main point was that CCP is in fact not making it their #1 priority to fix lag, and they have stated this to their playerbase upon multiple occasions, in writing, on their website. If you'd like to read more about what CCP's playerbase is saying about CCP's commitment to fixing lag, here is one of the largest community forums, and a thread on the subject.

http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=35803

CCP pays for a group of people, called the CSM, to come to Iceland and talk with them about features, and the playerbase's concerns once a year. This year one of the main concerns was that CCP needed to fix existing features before working on other things. Here is a direct quote from the CSM meeting minutes:

"Discussion then focused on an apparent drive by CCP to add new features instead of improving existing ones. CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features."

Does that sound like CCP's #1 priority is fixing the current state of the server? No. It sounds like in 18 months, after Dust/Incarna are implemented, they will give it a look. Also, here is EvE's senior producer being stupid enough to actually tell us how few people are working on fixing lag.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777

Here's a summary:

First off, Incarna (9 teams, approximately 70 developers)

Dust 514/EVE link (1 team, approximately 7 developers)

In-space features (3 teams, approximately 22 developers)

EVE Gate (1 team, approximately 10 developers)

The others! (4 teams, approximately 15 developers)


You can read what we had to say about this in the comments on the dev blog. They're not very happy thoughts I'll warn you.

So I'm done now, I just wanted to ensure that you knew that the statement you published, CCP's response, was a complete and utter lie. Fixing the game is not CCP's #1 priority. If it was, they wouldn't have 87 developers working on something else, 22 working on artwork and new features, and 15 working on EvE's existing core.


Signed,

One bitter vet

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:10:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/07/2010 13:43:02
Originally by: Pennwisedom

You do know you just did the same thing right?


No he didn't?


yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added.



No, he didn't. He said "I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players" which is a world away from saying "no one wants this".

If you're going to argue your own point, you should probably think about using basic logic AND reading comprehension.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:11:00 - [144]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 29/07/2010 19:13:52
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Cipher Jones

troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll
feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll
troooooollllallalalatroll



Laughing

The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code.

People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted.

If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll.

Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic.
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Cipher Jones

Im an idiot



Yep, you are.

I used information released by CCP and you used insults. The only thing that makes me an idiot is trying to talk to people who take the word of an outside forum quoting forum accounts over the word of the people who actually develop the game.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:11:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Cipher Jones
All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel.

Its a free market and that's how it works.

We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff.

Bye.

Still here, really?

And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.


Which means its not broken, which is my point.

Monopoly =/= Perfect product.

Get out, your points suck.

Jordan Musgrat
Convergent
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:14:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Cipher Jones

troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll
feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll
troooooollllallalalatroll



Laughing

The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code.

People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted.

If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll.

Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic.


It's not just the lag, there's many things in the core of the game that CCP has said they'll fix but still haven't. There's alot more to this than the lag, it's all existing features. Many were implemented halfway done, or are you really that new to the game? But yes, lag is our main priority, and you cannot tell me that the servers wouldn't benefit from more than 5 or 10 people looking for the cause of the lag.

Nardman
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:14:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Nardman
Originally by: Cipher Jones

Which means its not broken, which is my point.


Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.


Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break.


Again:
Originally by: Nardman

Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.


Come experience how screwed up it is, THEN you can comment on whether it's broken or not.

Oh and this doesn't just happen with thousands of people in system, it's happened with hundreds, and even once in a while with only tens of people.

Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:16:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 19:16:06
Originally by: Cipher Jones
The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code.

People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted.

If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll.

Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic.


Cipher, there is a mass of 0.0 folks out there with pitchforks in their hands. To them the game is broken.
To you or me it may not be, but that is unlikely to interest them much.

Personally I am worried about the 18 months statement most. I hope CCP rethinks that strategy.

Al3xii
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:16:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Cipher Jones

troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll
feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll
troooooollllallalalatroll



Laughing

The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code.

People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted.

If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll.

Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic.



CCP claims lag is number 1 priority. CCP assigned unknown number of space cowboys ( from 1 to 15 ) to fix the issue. Incarna gets 70. How is the lag number 1 priority? If u are not here to troll - give me a logical response.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:23:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 19:16:06
Originally by: Cipher Jones
The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code.

People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted.

If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll.

Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic.


Cipher, there is a mass of 0.0 folks out there with pitchforks in their hands. To them the game is broken.
To you or me it may not be, but that is unlikely to interest them much.

Personally I am worried about the 18 months statement most. I hope CCP rethinks that strategy.


Thats the thing, large fleet battles are broken, not 0.0, not pvp in 0.0, not the whole game.

If you think the number of people working on a certain project vs. the number of people working on another project is indicative of resources being spent, you probably never worked for a large company before. The R&D department at Intel and the legal department at Intel are both (each) bigger than all of engineering and manufacturing put together. They make great chips.


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