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Squat Hardpeck
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:43:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Al3xii
Man power allocation and the "Polished product brings less money then new features" reply from a CCPs big boy, got the community stirred. Some dont trust the devs no more. I can understand why.

Understandably, but they seem to disregard many of the posts CCP has made specifically saying that changes are coming to fix some of their concerns as little as a few months away. These posts came after that infamous CSM meeting notes I might add.

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:51:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.

Tornim
Minmatar
Hades Renegades
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [63]
 

That was a pretty quick turn around for CCP to do some damage control on the CVG article.

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [64]
 

Quote from thread you quoted and closed:

Originally by: Al3xii
How many ppl have been allocated to fix the lag , opposed to the amount making Incarna, Dust and others ?

Reno Maurice
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Squat Hardpeck

Understandably, but they seem to disregard many of the posts CCP has made specifically saying that changes are coming to fix some of their concerns as little as a few months away. These posts came after that infamous CSM meeting notes I might add.


No, they have just moved to a state where words mean nothing any longer. This after many rounds of ccp hyping stuff then failing to deliver or the delivery is buggy/lacking, among other things. CCP needs to make visible long term actions to slowly build up the trust with this community, a single patch which fixes a couple of issues and then going back to business as usual wont cut it this time.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [66]
 

But that doesnt let them whine and rage on the forums like self entitled man-children now does it.

Now I accept that there are serious issues which need to be addressed and that ccps initial responses were less than stellar but come on, clogging up the forums with whining bull**** and pointless trolling for the best part of a month does not help your arguement people!!

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:54:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/07/2010 15:55:00

TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:55:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 29/07/2010 15:57:46
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.


Your damage control means nothing to us, we want results. Bull****ting the playerbase only works so long, time and time again over a period of half a year you have failed to fix critical "holy **** this could kill the game" sort of stuff before it got out hand. Well it's getting out of hand as now everyone in eve gets to share in the lag.

cotcodac
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:55:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: cotcodac on 29/07/2010 16:01:00
Edited by: cotcodac on 29/07/2010 15:59:05
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.


Why bother if you lied to them anyways?

You know it and we all know it that Excellence is not your no.1 priority ... not by a long shot ... it is listed at "The others" in the latest dev blog. You are aware I hope that lying won't get you guys to far...

And also... you ignored us blatantly for the last 2 days but rush to reply to the first bad press you got... at least now we know what moves you and we should keep it up, spread the word on other gaming forums, that's the only thing CCP cares about: public image new suckers to try their broken game.

GateScout
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:56:00 - [70]
 

Eve is "unplayable." Rolling Eyes

Jesus...no wonder CCP ignores this forums (except for some of the PR folks). I would too.

Reno Maurice
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:00:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Darek Castigatus
But that doesnt let them whine and rage on the forums like self entitled man-children now does it.

Now I accept that there are serious issues which need to be addressed and that ccps initial responses were less than stellar but come on, clogging up the forums with whining bull**** and pointless trolling for the best part of a month does not help your arguement people!!


You should be happy people are whining and trolling! This means CCP still have time to turn this boat around! It also shows how much people care for this game, even though they might say hurtful things. The real problems will start if the community turns silent since that will be an indication of complete loss of hope, which will bring the inevitable mass-unsubscriptions and possible failcascade for CCP.

Each day that people spam actually shows that people WANT this game to turn to the better!

Al3xii
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:00:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Al3xii on 29/07/2010 16:00:58
Originally by: Squat Hardpeck
Originally by: Al3xii
Man power allocation and the "Polished product brings less money then new features" reply from a CCPs big boy, got the community stirred. Some dont trust the devs no more. I can understand why.

Understandably, but they seem to disregard many of the posts CCP has made specifically saying that changes are coming to fix some of their concerns as little as a few months away. These posts came after that infamous CSM meeting notes I might add.


I am thinking that in order to claim that fixing the lag is number 1 priority - changes need to be made in the manpower allocation. Because ,if my memory serves me right, the blog showing the said allocation of personnel painted a different picture. It IS possible that CCP changed it , assigned more ppl to lag fixing after communities cries for help, thus making lag N1 issue. However i did not see a revised blog. Cause of that, CCPs posts about incoming lag fixes failed to assure the player base.

Crucifier
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:01:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.



You do realise every1 thinks less of CCP for so blatantly trying to damage control with lies

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:01:00 - [74]
 

i think you meant misspelled "noones" as no.1 lol

x

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:02:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: cotcodac
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.


Why bother if you lied to them anyways?

You know it and we all know it that Excellence is not your no.1 priority ... not by a long shot ... it is listed at "The others" in the latest dev blog. You are aware I hope that lying won't get you guys to far...


And whining like a self entitled man child is totally the way to make your opinion get taken seriously, amirite?

BIZZAROSTORMY
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:05:00 - [76]
 

Confirming that I am playing EVE despite the 'fact' that it is "unplayable"

edtheshed
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:05:00 - [77]
 

is it at all possible (however unlikely or improbable) that they will actually make it their no.1 priority?

if so, maybe we can look forward to some updates of manpower adjustments in ccp

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:07:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.


Damage control by alliances that you try to kill is fun, cause of tears and such, damage control by a company that you pay is a whole different ball game. You can ofcourse tell such a site that you will fix it, but i want words from the ceo that more people will be allocated to fix the game, because 7 people, when previously more ppl couldn't fix it either, isn't really reassuring that all of a suden the game will be fixed again, because these 7 ppl or so will get the so called cart blanche.

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:08:00 - [79]
 

Quote:

'Currently, unsurprisingly, this effort is our No.1 development priority and we have given the specialised team carte blanche in re-attaining 1,000+ player fleet battles that EVE is famous for.


Did this team push back Incarna another year or cancel it all together ?

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:08:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Reno Maurice
Originally by: Darek Castigatus
But that doesnt let them whine and rage on the forums like self entitled man-children now does it.

Now I accept that there are serious issues which need to be addressed and that ccps initial responses were less than stellar but come on, clogging up the forums with whining bull**** and pointless trolling for the best part of a month does not help your arguement people!!


You should be happy people are whining and trolling! This means CCP still have time to turn this boat around! It also shows how much people care for this game, even though they might say hurtful things. The real problems will start if the community turns silent since that will be an indication of complete loss of hope, which will bring the inevitable mass-unsubscriptions and possible failcascade for CCP.

Each day that people spam actually shows that people WANT this game to turn to the better!


And thats what I origionally thought when the origional posts were well thought out, well reasoned and informative, which they were. I changed my mind when it turned into a childish game of 'who can troll CCP the hardest DERPDERPDERP'

By all means keep the pressure on CCP to resolve the issue and I have much respect for those who can keep their posts civil but I am honestly sick and tired of the idiots who think forum spamming pointless bull**** is an apropriate response to this situation.

Mr M
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:10:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 15:54:23

Linkage(eve is broken)

breaking news!Linkage(fixing lag is no.1 priority)

Breaking news? CCP stated two weeks ago in this devblog that they have people working on the lag.

edtheshed
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:13:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 15:54:23

Linkage(eve is broken)

breaking news!Linkage(fixing lag is no.1 priority)

Breaking news? CCP stated two weeks ago in this devblog that they have people working on the lag.


if you actually read the article, it says they are making it their no.1 priority, and the article is new
... you just fail

Al3xii
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:13:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Al3xii on 29/07/2010 16:14:19
Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 15:54:23

Linkage(eve is broken)

breaking news!Linkage(fixing lag is no.1 priority)

Breaking news? CCP stated two weeks ago in this devblog that they have people working on the lag.


the X ammount of space cowboys out of maximum of 14 developers does not make it a priority 1 , does it ?
Why 14 instead of 15 ? Well, someone has to make the coffee for the rest =)

Jason1138
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:20:00 - [84]
 

same crap here as on Zulu's thread


players: "the game is broken! fix the game!"

CCP: "we've always worked on the game"

media: "well i guess that settles it"


wat?

the game is going in the wrong direction. if we hadn't had an expansion in the last 6 months it would be running smoother than it is now. all this crap about stackless IO and fleet fight in a can is smoke and mirrors; CCP is not "working on the game" in the sense that the game is improving, they are "working on the game" in the sense that they are breaking every part of it til nothing works anymore

you could roll it back to dominion and simulate (supposedly) thousands of man hours of fighting fleet lag and hardware upgrades. that right there ought to tell you how much BS every official comment on this is


the game at a level + lots of dev time and hardware improvements = the game at a lower level is non-sensical in the basic meaning of the term. there is no improvement at all going on in Eve right now unless you have a very short attention span

if a dev could restore the function to what it was a year ago and be considered a hero then your game is not making progress

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:22:00 - [85]
 

Carte blanche eh ?

-Give TQ rewards for participating in mass lag testing on SiSi
-Do a mass test every week. If that is not enough every 3 days.
-Freeze all new content until lag is significantly improved
-Publish weekly reports on large combat server performance so we can see any improvement


So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:24:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Squat Hardpeck
Exactly! Because when less than 12% of the current EVE population resides in 0.0

No, see illustration provided earlier as to why this figure is absolutely incorrect.
Originally by: Squat Hardpeck
And we can also compare apples to oranges when fleet lag is the cornerstone of the rage people are exhibiting to the massive amount of gameplay changes the devs were instituting in SWG to change the face of the entire game.

SWG was broken long before the CU, CU was their attempt at fixing it, people quit. NGE was their complete abandonment of what was left of the population to draw in new blood. Without the NGE? The game would've kept shrinking anyways, in a less violent way.

Tyrannis = CU
You don't need violent changes to an already broken game to wreck it, it just goes quicker that way.

Originally by: Squat Hardpeck
This makes sense! And then we'll use Incarna and Dust as a counter point to what was just said only to forget that they won't affect the "Spaceshipiness" that EVE currently offers!

Never said anything about this, I like both of them and I think they will make EVE an amazing universe, if there's anyone still playing by the time they hit retail. Judging by the quality of MMOs released for the past 10 years or so there's not going to be any replacement for EVE anytime soon, SWTOR has you grinding robots outside the jedi academy ffs. So I'm not worried, just disappoint son.

But yeah, CCP can do whatever the **** they want, for those of us who like MMOs there are no other options.

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:24:00 - [87]
 

You know, just on a whim I decided to read some of the past patch notes and I found one mention of them fixing lag (actually one mention of lag at all) in the patch notes from december 2009.

Keep up the good work CCP. I'm off to tanks.

Callum545
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:35:00 - [88]
 

So CCP are you finally gonna change your plans? FIX lag and the other old features we do not care about walking in stations or a new avatar system which i think i read was due for the winter expansion. To be honest if we have to re-design a new avatar some of the old avatars will be missed for example backdoor bandits avatar.

Also 80 people jumping through a gate and OMG LAG it is embarrissing for you.

Please scrap PI it is pointless

Odinegras
Gallente
0utbreak
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:37:00 - [89]
 


HybridMiner
Rudis Vox
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:52:00 - [90]
 

I'll take some fixed blasters with a side of working rockets while they're at it.


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