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Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.27 11:56:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 05/09/2010 18:58:47
(Original postings appear at the end of this update)

Update: 05-September-2010. The proposal has been prioritized by the CSM and passed 9-0.


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Ok, people, it is now time to...

Call Your Primary Targets!


Here is how to do it:

1) Visit the Low Hanging Fruit Wiki page and look at the Low Hanging Fruit section.

2) There you will find 86 juicy bits of low hanging fruit. Pick at least 10 of them.

3) Post your list in this thread in the following format in a single line:

<character name>,item#,item#,item#,item#,item#,item#,item#,item#,item#,item#,...

For example:

Trebor Daehdoow,1,2,3,5,7,8,9,20,22,24,25,41,46,47,48,56,70,84

* You can pick more than 10. The more you pick, the more diluted your votes become.

* You can pick less than 10, but doing so does not increase the strength of your vote.

* If you made suggestions in this thread (as opposed to just supporting it), place a link to your suggestion in your posting; your votes will get an "overheat" bonus.

* Your mileage may vary; offer void where prohibited by law; offer may end at any time. Please do not drink and vote.

Original post that started it all:


Gentleclones,

As part of CSM's effort to prioritize the list of things we want CCP to consider working on during the next development cycle, I have put together a list of UI Big Wins, Fan Favorites and Low Hanging Fruit.

What I've done is scan through the various UI proposals both here and on F&I, as well as passed CSM UI proposals, and put them together in a big list, in 3 categories:

Big Wins are items that may require significant effort, but which will greatly improve the utility of the UI for all players.

Fan Favorites are items of hopefully moderate difficulty that are often requested.

Low Hanging Fruit are items that should be very easy and quick to implement (in some cases, only a few hours), but which will provide significant benefit to the affected users.

However, I need your help. The deadline for submitting stuff to CCP is early next month, and there is much work to do.

First, you can point me to UI proposals in the forums that I might have missed, in particular Low Hanging Fruit.

Second, you can help prioritize the three categories, so that the most important items are at the top.

Third, there are two Big Wins that developed out of discussions at the summit in Iceland plus private discussions; these need serious debate in this thread, and will not be included in the final list unless there is substantial support for them.

These two items are Contextual menus should have keyboard navigation shortcuts and The Filter field should be added to all window panels that contain lists, in particular the overview and chat windows.

Please take the time to read the wall-o-text on the wiki and let me know what you think.

Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:06:00 - [2]
 

Please CCP?

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:26:00 - [3]
 

Neat.

Also: WTB; detaching Broadcast pane from Fleet pane.

Tharill daSai
Caldari
Serringer Arms Inc
Free United Spirits
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:36:00 - [4]
 

Yes please

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:45:00 - [5]
 

Supported, although I have reservations about keyboard shortcuts for context menus and would like to have the option of disabling them if they were implemented.

RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:55:00 - [6]
 

Mostly items supported. Easy and fast to do with major gains for the players.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:59:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Virtuozzo
detaching Broadcast pane from Fleet pane.



I am concerned this might be too big of a change to qualify as low-hanging fruit, but I will add it pending comments from other contributors.

Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Supported, although I have reservations about keyboard shortcuts for context menus and would like to have the option of disabling them if they were implemented.


Proposal amended to add this entirely reasonable caveat -- thanks.

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.27 14:21:00 - [8]
 

Is an exit to character selection button low hanging/popular enough?

T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.07.27 14:45:00 - [9]
 

Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Please add "Current Job" Statistics to industrial menus; onto your list.




Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2010.07.27 14:49:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Illectroculus Defined on 27/07/2010 14:59:13
Edited by: Illectroculus Defined on 27/07/2010 14:53:15
Low Hanging Fruit:
Add scan probes to overview configuration options, we already know they work internaly and just need to be selected via a more official method.

Remove the UI enforced pause when scanning for extractor resources in the PI system.

Fan Favourite:
Bookmarks on the overview, this would help the elite PVP'er warping on grid, the rookie player trying to find their first mission and my 5 year old daughter who has serious problems right-clicking her way 3-4 levels deep so she can warp to a mission.

Add ability to choose whether to show/hide the HUD while the UI is in planet mode, it's the only piece of the UI that gets lost.


SkinSin
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:06:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: SkinSin on 27/07/2010 15:50:56
This might be my utter noobishness, but how about the ability to easily remove all your waypoints from space instead of having to open the map.

edit: And I don't mean "Hide Route", which just hides your route until you show it again rather than removing your waypoints.

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:13:00 - [12]
 

Or for that matter the ability to switch your autopilot between safer/shoter/less safe without opening the map.

Also, an easy way to bring up the info page for the current solar system, add 'show info' to the arrow menu attached to the system name in the top left.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:33:00 - [13]
 

Forgive me for being utterly pessimistic that anything coming out of the Assembly Hall will be read/implemented by CCP.

But I have a major concern with this:
* Use speed bar color to indicate MWD/AB status (blue = off, green = on). If webbed, the color should alternate between blue/green and yellow; if scrambled, it should alternate between blue/green and red; if both webbed and scrambled, it should rotate between blue/green, yellow, and red.

and this:
* Use capacitor color to indicate NOS/Neut status. Orange = normal, yellow = Neuted, (Blood) red = NOS'd. Rotate colors as in the previous bit of fruit.

I'm color blind. :)

My suggestions:
- Make sure that the colors above are different to colorblind people. Potentially make these colors options.
- Add an option to "black out" behind the icons. Please. I mean it. The game is unplayable in places.
- It should be a low hanging fruit to add more people to the watch list.... pretty please?

-Liang

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:41:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Bomberlocks on 27/07/2010 16:19:03
Edited by: Bomberlocks on 27/07/2010 15:46:10
/signed x 1000.

Some small additions: Would be a massive boost to PvP:
1. Add a player defined pop-up list of orbit and keep-at distances. Keep your mouse on the orbit or keep-at icon and a list with values that you entered pops up. It would nullify the current terrible right click fest.
2. Make Windows controls bigger (title bar, close window, Contextual menus). I have a lot of difficulty in always hitting the correct right click menu item in PvP when I'm in a hurry, and I know a lot of other peopüle have this problem too.

Edit: And I will add this to the main CCP Zulu disaster thread as well: I see in your wiki post you mention that the UI team has been reinforced. I think this is in direct response to the massive amount of player complaints and mass quits that went down there. So for all of those who were saying our voices count for nothing, perhaps if they are indeed loud enough (and we vote with our wallets) they do count.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:41:00 - [15]
 


Mister Swift
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Posted - 2010.07.27 15:52:00 - [16]
 

Many thanks for bringing this up Very Happy

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.27 16:37:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/07/2010 16:38:29
Quote:
- It should be a low hanging fruit to add more people to the watch list.... pretty please?

Please, but that doesnt help much without ability to organise people in the watch list. Preferably some kind of folders + ability to drag people on the watch list. So if i am in a logistics i can have a folder with all other logistics ships, one with the primaries, euhm i mean ECM ships, etc.

Di Mulle
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:04:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Di Mulle on 27/07/2010 17:05:29
I would like also to have an easy ability to see which wing/squad in fleet I am currently in without a pain of trying to find my name in the ever reshuffling and scroller-resetting fleet window. Especially when there are 100+ pilots.

Uicjhorra
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:27:00 - [19]
 

I approve!

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42

Posted - 2010.07.27 17:37:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 27/07/2010 17:41:20
excellent initiative!

Quote:
The CSM notes with approval that CCP has increased the size of the team responsible for UI changes and improvements.


quick question: has there been any communication between CSM and CCP Producer/relationship manager since Zulu's blog?

To be honest, then my priority would be FUNCTIONAL changes instead of the UI - no point in making it easier to orbit at optimal if my Rockets are malfunctioning.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:25:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

- It should be a low hanging fruit to add more people to the watch list.... pretty please?



Jesus, this please. Even 12 would be a big help.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.

Posted - 2010.07.27 18:29:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Di Mulle
I would like also to have an easy ability to see which wing/squad in fleet I am currently in without a pain of trying to find my name in the ever reshuffling and scroller-resetting fleet window. Especially when there are 100+ pilots.

Ever try to look at the fleet window title bar?

Ronin Nazuri
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:10:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Ronin Nazuri on 27/07/2010 19:16:07
Edited by: Ronin Nazuri on 27/07/2010 19:11:58
Here are the ones I would like to see:


  • Drag and drop of bookmarks into chat windows and email.

  • Place dividers between Recover, Reconnect and Destroy Probes buttons.

  • Change scale of angle slider so each selectable option has equal width in the slider. Make the slider wider.

  • Show when probe results are being ignored (eg: a grayed line that reads "9 additional results ignored").

  • System Scanner filter should have items for Unknown, Ladar, Radar,
    Gravimetric, Magnetic, Wormhole and Unresolved.

  • Allow input of distance in AU in Directional scanner range box; 1-14 = AU, 15+ = km, 0 = max distance.

  • Change wormhole scan result from Unknown to Wormhole.

  • Remove Fleet Broadcasts tab from the Fleet, make it separate (like it used to be)

  • Allow for more people to be added to the watch list





Di Mulle
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:34:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Di Mulle
I would like also to have an easy ability to see which wing/squad in fleet I am currently in without a pain of trying to find my name in the ever reshuffling and scroller-resetting fleet window. Especially when there are 100+ pilots.

Ever try to look at the fleet window title bar?


My bad and thanks.

Rhok Relztem
Caldari
CGMA Synergist Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:38:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 27/07/2010 20:06:03
Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 27/07/2010 19:46:28
I support this whole-heartedly but would add two more...
  1. Update the font. Whether this would entail improving the current one, changing to a different one, allowing a personal font, or a combination of the three, it is needed desperately. I'm not sure if this would be a Fan Fav or a Low Hanging Fruit though.

  2. Add a sort option to the Corporate Assets (especially the Deliveries) just as the Personal Assets has which allows sorting by jumps (with region/constellation/system filter as I Sostoned points out below), number of items, and name. That Deliveries list can be extremely long at times from corporation buy orders and can, of course, span the entire map but there is no way to sort it so setting a route for pickups can be unbelievably tedious, tiresome, and usually never quite right.

As for prioritizing the lists, how do you prioritize those Low Hanging Fruits? Some are more important to one group of players than another while others may never be needed by some but would be a top priority to someone else. They are ALL important! Put them in some sort of alphabetical list or sort them from perceived easiest to hardest and give CCP the entire list!

On the two Big Wins, I support them both as long as the Shortcuts are an option that can be toggled on and off in the options window.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:42:00 - [26]
 


I SoStoned
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:47:00 - [27]
 

No mention of inventory handling UI, specifically corporate.

Market Deliveries hangar needs sorting functions identical to personal assets (by range, filterable by region/constellation/system).

Severin Emmeram
Minmatar
Re-Tek

Posted - 2010.07.27 20:12:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Severin Emmeram on 27/07/2010 20:15:39
My favorites (in no particular order):

Contextual menus should have keyboard navigation shortcuts.
UI Show Info button with Chat Invite (CSM)
Targeting from Broadcast History (CSM)
Permit smaller or no character icons in chat windows so that more players can fit in the available space.
New contextual menu options for items: "Find on Contracts" and "Find in my Assets".
Add meta column in item detail list view (CSM)
Static entities in the overview (Stations, Stargates, Belts, etc) should be in a unique color to help distinguish them.
Use speed bar color to indicate MWD/AB status

______________

Thoughts regarding the Context-Menu proposal:

Make it like Windows Menus:
Pick the first suitable character, underline it, and that is the shortcut.
Example: Sell order context menu
_____________________
_C_ancel Order
_M_odify Order
_____________________
_S_how Info
_V_iew market details
_____________________
_L_ocation >
_____________________

The shortcuts would be C, M, S, V and L

Another example: Character context menu: _S_how Info, Start _C_onversation, _I_nvite to..., Send _M_essage and so on

Reasons:
This is a proven concept, windows does that since at least version 2.
Users should be familliar with it.

And if you go over the Top, please let us open e.g. the overview-menu (the one you get by clicking on the triangle) by a shortcut e.g. Alt+O.
Solarsystem menu (the triangle on the left top when in space) with Alt+S

And so on.

And if you want to go absolutely over the top, let us configure these shortcuts.


Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.27 20:48:00 - [29]
 

Yes. To all. Any single change is good, all of them would be fantastic.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.27 21:13:00 - [30]
 

With respect to the question of how to do the prioritization, what I was planning on doing was waiting a few days for the list to stabilize, then number them and have people submit their priority rankings (for as many items as they want to rate). This should give a decent priority order, and also ensure that this thread reaches the coveted "Threadnaught" status. Cool

Quote:
Is an exit to character selection button low hanging/popular enough?

It may be more difficult than it appears, but if there is significant support for it in the thread, I'll add it to "Fan Favorites"

Quote:
Please add "Current Job" Statistics to industrial menus; onto your list.

Can you expand on exactly what you mean by this, T'Amber?

Quote:
Add scan probes to overview configuration options, we already know they work internaly and just need to be selected via a more official method

Added.

Quote:
Remove the UI enforced pause when scanning for extractor resources in the PI system

This is edging into design rather than UI, and PI is still evolving, so I would prefer to hold off on this for the time being. It annoys me too as well (as do the customs office delays). Personally, I think the delays should be more dynamic.

Quote:
Bookmarks on the overview

Added, also on-grid bookmarks in space, though that again is edging into design-space. OTOH, I really want it personally.

Quote:
show/hide the HUD while the UI is in planet mode

Added.

Autopilot items - not sure if they make the cut, can you suggest particular menus/mechanisms?

Colorblind issues - thanks for reminding me. Have added a HUD black-background low-hanging fruit and a "standard eve colors" Fan Favorite to address these issues.

Quote:
Add a player defined pop-up list of orbit and keep-at distances

Useful, added.

Quote:
I see in your wiki post you mention that the UI team has been reinforced.

This happened before the June summit, actually; if you read the summit minutes there is a mention of it.

Quote:
more people to the watch list

Added this, and a "ship type" column request for the watchlist.

Quote:
quick question: has there been any communication between CSM and CCP Producer/relationship manager since Zulu's blog?

I can neither confirm nor deny the confirmation or denial of any such communications.

Quote:
Place dividers between Recover, Reconnect and Destroy Probes buttons

This would be handled by the general UI menu suggestions. If it turns out CCP is going to do a pass on these, I'll crowdsource a big list for them.

Quote:
Update the font

From the summit minutes:

"CSM asked about the status of the EVE font, pointing out that a change has been requested for two years. CCP stated it is currently designing a new font. There have also been tech issues regarding the font (80% of the font re-design is finished and will hopefully be integrated late this year). CSM questioned the rationale behind designing a font from scratch rather than licensing an existing one; potential licensing costs and the desire to be able to exercise control and consistency over the font design were cited as reasons."

Quote:
Add a sort option to the Corporate Assets

Not unreasonable, added.


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