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RifterDrifter
Minmatar
La Blue Girl
KUGUTSUMEN.
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:15:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: RifterDrifter on 27/07/2010 17:16:01
Originally by: DJ Obsidian

QFT, you know that would require players to put in *effort* to help ccp find the problem.


I'm pretty sure most players think they put in enough effort by PAYING CCP to keep the ****ing Game running!

I mean, when my car is broken and i pay some greasemonkey to fix it he better not ask me to hold the ****ing Lamp for him because that's WHAT I'M PAYING HIM TO DO

Laah T'Sin
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:19:00 - [122]
 

/signed

The game is more broken then ever. I can well remember some 800 man fleet fights with pre-dominion code and it ran great compared to now (under 5 seconds module lag and decent gridload etc.). It was possible then. So make it happen - and I won't wait 18 months either (SCNR).

Treyah
Minmatar
Domination Heavy Industries
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:21:00 - [123]
 

/signed - broken game indeed.

xenonn
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:29:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: xenonn on 27/07/2010 17:33:14
Signed/

And for the record

New Feature!! Spacial Distortion

Just to insult the EvE community further. The way that report is titled and worded, anyone would swear you are trying to make this broken crap a cool game feature.Mad

Mes Devour
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:36:00 - [125]
 

Good god CCP look what you've done! You have PL, Atlas, IT and NC fan bois all agreeing on something...

There must really be something wrong. Don't continue to sweep this one under the rug. You will lose customers if not improved upon.

KayLe
Minmatar
SiN. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:39:00 - [126]
 

/signed

This needs fixing

Darth Kilth
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:40:00 - [127]
 

/signed

It's only a matter of time before a new game comes that appeals to the majority of EVE players, unless EVE is fixed this game we see a major player loss when this happens.

EVE can't hold the top position as pixel space ship game forever.
Soon another game that isn't broken but had the same fun comes around.

gnome proper
Minmatar
Lost Souls Corp
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:48:00 - [128]
 

/signed

It's getting ridiculous.

Nordstern3
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2010.07.27 17:55:00 - [129]
 

/signed

I recall reading the quarterly economic report a while back, and something that stood out was how high the turnover was with each expansion. People will come, play for 3 months, then leave. Instead of distracting potential/returning customers with shiny objects twice a year, examine why people are leaving. You might learn something.

I understand that many resources are being devoted to combatting RMT and hackers. This is understandable, but the fact that you still haven't disclosed who was involved in the moon mining exploit (even if they were banned) does not build any measure of trust between CCP and its customers.

I may only have a year of education towards a business degree, but even I can tell there are serious business culture issues. I'd love to sit down and discuss it with you, CCP, when I come to Fanfest.

Tweekant
Gallente
Starlight Enterprise
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:01:00 - [130]
 

It's not lag, it's a feature

Thesalaus
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:02:00 - [131]
 

/signed

Can we please get Vuk to tell us its all OK now....

Jinn Kast
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:02:00 - [132]
 

/signed

sort ya game out ccp , lag is unplayable !!!

JT Black
Amarr
ALPHA REACTION
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:02:00 - [133]
 

im against the whole idea of blob warfare.

its what most like i can respect that.

now indeed game is broken,lost a ship yesterday due to lag in a system with a dozen ships.

/signed

REAPER1712
Gallente
Viper Intel Squad
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:14:00 - [134]
 

The lag as apparent as it may be still remains unfixed in large fleet fights no matter if someone request a refnode or not. As well as there is no content that will make the older player that is around or above 80mil sp want to stick around. The new PI stuff recently introduced may yeild enough for a few month old char but for a long time pvp char it is pocket change. If you continue to add and add and add yes you may get new players but unless you fix problem's at hand than they will continue to be there and your clients who pay you will continue to be aggrovated until finally people will leave not trickle out but in mass numbers. and being a console player aswell i have not heard or seen any advert for Dust even if it is still long off the only way the game will get noticed is buy showing the players. aswell as unless there is somthing major with Dust that is completely new and will bring in good "HALO/BATTLEFEILD/COD" players otherwise those players will not stick to the game if they even buy it.

Pypok
Amarr
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:16:00 - [135]
 

/signed

Let's face it, CCP is doing a excellent job in their business model. Say what you want, but they are making money.

Current CCP Business Model:
Step 1 - Release a cool video featuring a new feature and a big space battle
Step 2 - Get new people to subscribe (they don't have isk to buy game cards, so they will actually pay with money)
Step 3 - Enjoy the profits for 3-4 month.
Step 4 - Start ignoring the complaints on the forums and petitions about the game performance.
Step 5 - Announce a new expansion that will "fix all problems" and deliver new cool features.
Step 6 - Go back to step 1.

It's as simple as that, new people = profit. Veteran players have many accounts, but we all know most people just pay for subscription with isk. So as you can all see, nowhere in this model is there a step "keep current customers happy" or "do basic tests to make sure a crap expansion won't ruin server performance".

Solution: As someone have already mentioned, we need a good writer(who is a player) to write an intelligent article and submit it to all the big gaming sites, stating exactly how false advertising CCP is and how little CCP cares about the customer satisfaction. And just keep sending this Article every patch and list exactly how CCP keeps failing time and time again, their business model will fail. I mean if everyone knows that CPP's new expansion will be guaranteed to suck, not alot of new players will join the game, thus no profit. As it stands right now, you can cry and ***** all you want, no action will be taken because there is no profit in it, and anyone who worked in a corporation knows that the company won't do **** unless there is profit in it.




Apollo Gabriel
Caldari
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:31:00 - [136]
 

Dear CCP

By NOT posting in this thread, you increase frustration. You often post

"Just because we don't post, doesn't mean we dont' see it"

Well people can't be thankful for what they don't see either.

There are a lot of "important" groups in this thread (myself very much excluded), and if so many different groups are complaining, well a dev post might help.

Hell, a devblog explaining WHY ccp explorer and others think the game is better than ever as far as how well the code is running and WHY there is such a discrepancy in player opinion might be helpful.

Best,
Apollo

aroon thrace
Caldari
The Cognitive Faction
Permanent Transience
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:38:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: xenonn
Edited by: xenonn on 27/07/2010 17:33:14
Signed/

And for the record

New Feature!! Spacial Distortion

Just to insult the EvE community further. The way that report is titled and worded, anyone would swear you are trying to make this broken crap a cool game feature.Mad


IC are ingame reportes, that means they cannot write about lag as they are supposed to roleplay. They aren't CCP either, so they cannot promote new "features".

Said that, I am not a big 0.0 fan and I usually spend my time in the laggy sourroundings of Jita. I agree lag should be fixed.

/signed

Crucifier
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:39:00 - [138]
 

CCP WORST P

/signed

Sneaky Noob
Caldari
KA POW POW Inc
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:39:00 - [139]
 

/signed

in the name of all things holy stop sucking and do something about it.

Dirk Culliford
Gallente
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:42:00 - [140]
 

CCP, I'd happily let you take all these new features back if you're willing to give us the game we had 18 months ago. Preferably now rather than in 18 months time Mad


Oh wait, you've got approximately 1 person working on lag, at least theres 60 people working on ensuring the experience of being docked is far better cos I think I'll be in station a bit more often in the future Rolling Eyes

Pypok
Amarr
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:47:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Dirk Culliford

Oh wait, you've got approximately 1 person working on lag, at least theres 60 people working on ensuring the experience of being docked is far better cos I think I'll be in station a bit more often in the future Rolling Eyes


I just realized something, CCP knew the game will suck with all the expansions, so when people are no longer able to undock without LAG they will introduce walking in stations to keep you occupied! Simply brilliant.... Oh and once you can't even walk in stations any more because it lags like crazy.. switch to DUST.

Raceleader
Minmatar
Epsilon Lyr
BPLAN
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:55:00 - [142]
 

/signed

Fix the lag before releasing any addon or new stuff. I'm paying for 3 accounts and i'm really tired of this crap.

Yuri Oorlov
Gallente
Black Tower Syndicate
Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:57:00 - [143]
 

/signed
come on cannot even hold proper fleet fights anymore due to lagging out all of the place.

Arkon Vordart
Caldari
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:00:00 - [144]
 

/signed

cotcodac
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:02:00 - [145]
 

/signed

Quote:

First off, Incarna (9 teams, approximately 70 developers)
~7 devs per team

Dust 514/EVE link (1 team, approximately 7 developers)
7 devs per team

In-space features (3 teams, approximately 22 developers)
~7 devs per team

EVE Gate (1 team, approximately 10 developers)
10 devs per team

The others! (4 teams, approximately 15 developers)
~3 devs per team!!!!



I guess we can all see where their priorities truly are. I managed to identify a whole team of 3 devs working on what's currently broken in the game:
Quote:
...and then there‘s a another team dedicated to performance monitoring and improvements.
Compare that with 70 people working on nice avatars...

Enjoy your subscriptions while they last... think about renewing them though!

Alazontez Gallenteur
Gallente
Wolf-Monkey Bastards
WolfMonkey Bastards
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:05:00 - [146]
 

Not in 0.0 yet (mainly been avoiding moving in that direction due to all these issues) but I'm gonna weigh in anyway. I recently participated in Mass Testing. 750 people in fight, several hundred less than in several very notable preDominion fights during the second Delve War that (as participants were reporting at the time) were running with only moderate module lag but grids were loading. In the Mass Testing, again only 750 in fight, I hit the jump button, got the little load bar, then everything sorta just froze. I had read here that if you log out at that point you wont get back in, so I just stuck around. About 15 minutes later I loaded in my pod on field. So, yeah, in no hurry to get out and do this **** on a regular basis.

/signed

Also, I'm also a part-time console FPS jockey. When CCP announced Dust514 I was pretty excited about it, but if they can't fix this **** how are they ever going to get such a dynamic piece of software running stable. Personally, I plan on boycotting Dust if the TQ server is still less stable than pre-Dominion when it launches.

Cmd Prompt
Gallente
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:14:00 - [147]
 

/signed

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:14:00 - [148]
 

I'm shocked and apalled and horrified at the state of the server and horrified

Loco Eve
Caldari
Out-of-Space
ROL.Citizens
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:37:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Gneeznow
I'm shocked and apalled and horrified at the state of the server and horrified
Kinda like watching a movie with lots of blood and guts and decapitations. That's lots of horror, right there.

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:46:00 - [150]
 

/Signed

Gruntled from Providence




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