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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:48:00 - [31]
 

Inception, interesting concept, so-so execution.

Like the man said, wouldn't the largest two energy tychoons in the world spot eachother on a plane?

So they hid the airline takeover with dummy fronts and snuck Saito onboard, sure but a little snippet telling or showing this would go a long way.

like someone else said, it doesn't hold a candle to Vanilla Sky or Matrix for that matter.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:49:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 27/07/2010 22:51:35
I think the spinning top was supposed to represent that reality is what we perceive and the main 'reality' in the film was not that different or exclusive from the dreams - there are many world(s).

I liked the 2001 A Space Odessey metaphor with the old man in a room.

Matrix was an awesome film but sadly the sequels did not expand much beyond the first films ideas. I remember watching the first film and been totally blown away when Neo awoke in his battery\living pod. The Animatrix was very good though.

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:55:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Grek Forto on 27/07/2010 22:55:05
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: brutoid
So.... would the spinning top stop spinning?


That was also another weak aspect of the movie. When he spoke of the spinning top originally he said that it would not fall. Then at the very end it started to wobble and they cut it off like that was supposed to create some suspense. But to all who know anything about physics, know that for it to start to wobble means it is losing inertia and therfore will fall over, thus meaning that it was not a dream.


Slade



But if it was a dream the laws of physics might not apply Twisted Evil

brutoid
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.27 23:03:00 - [34]
 

So... Was the spinning top his?

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.27 23:28:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Grek Forto

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: brutoid
So.... would the spinning top stop spinning?


That was also another weak aspect of the movie. When he spoke of the spinning top originally he said that it would not fall. Then at the very end it started to wobble and they cut it off like that was supposed to create some suspense. But to all who know anything about physics, know that for it to start to wobble means it is losing inertia and therfore will fall over, thus meaning that it was not a dream.


But if it was a dream the laws of physics might not apply Twisted Evil


Hence why it should stay up if it was a dream.

One could say that his subconscious casued it to start to wobble because he wanted him to belive that he was not dreaming.

Which fits right in line with what Vogue says below

Originally by: Vogue
Edited by: Vogue on 27/07/2010 22:51:35
I think the spinning top was supposed to represent that reality is what we perceive and the main 'reality' in the film was not that different or exclusive from the dreams - there are many world(s).

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.07.28 05:37:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: AlleyKat
waffles


I ask myself the same question when watching others play chess. The answer is actually simple.


I play chess to take the King in the least number of moves as possible; not to take every piece in rank order because it happens to be on the board.

Characters who make decisions to take a course of action which is wildly contrived and go against our natural instincts’ make for poor characters as an audience will have a lack of empathy towards them.

It is human nature to take the shortest path to achieve a goal, not the longest. This is because we are designed not to expend more energy than the object or goal yields.

Why do you think people playing EVE concern themselves with the balance of risk versus reward?

Is it worth spending 4 hours camping Jita 4-4 for predatory cargo? Or is it worth me campaign a gate in no-mans-land between 2 alliances, on the off-chance that some unlucky hauler with no backup jumps in, on their way to drop off ammo for the front lines?

Think about it: we are predators at heart, and no one would go to all of the trouble that one of the main characters did to eliminate a business threat, with that much risk involved.

Film is great, but the theory behind the story design is poorly executed.

AK



If every player saw every possible move perfectly, and was perfectly rational, then this argument would be valid.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2010.07.28 09:57:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
If every player saw every possible move perfectly, and was perfectly rational, then this argument would be valid.


I made many arguments, which one are you referring to?

AK

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.28 11:00:00 - [38]
 

The story is designed so you see what you want to see, as far as how you think the ending is. There are things throughout the film that support the theory that he is dreaming. There is also things that support the theory that he is not dreaming, that it is real.

It's just like a horoscope, you read it, and whatever it says is planted in your head. So you spend the rest of the day looking for reasons to support what it said.

So just enjoy the film and believe what you want to believe. Very Happy

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.28 15:07:00 - [39]
 

I liked it. Awesome film, and another great performance by Leo (blood diamond / catch me if you can)

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.07.29 06:48:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Zedic on 29/07/2010 06:50:59
Originally by: AlleyKat
some crap


Bzzzt Wrong.

If people behave in less than upright ways in a place where they think there are no consequences (i.e. Eve) then most likely - they would do the same IRL if they could get away with it. It's rather simple. If you're capable of behaving morally in a world where there are [seemingly] no consequences for abandoning morality - then you most likely do not harbor scumbag tendencies. But, if you behave like a scumbag in a virtual world because you feel the need to "let out your pent up frustrations", or exercise your hidden tendencies and self - you're most likely a latent scumbag IRL.

As for Inception:

It was ****ing Amazing. I knew something was up once he'd cleared customs though... :)

edit: quote tags suck

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:59:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Zedic

Bzzzt Wrong.

If people behave in less than upright ways in a place where they think there are no consequences (i.e. Eve) then most likely - they would do the same IRL if they could get away with it. It's rather simple. If you're capable of behaving morally in a world where there are [seemingly] no consequences for abandoning morality - then you most likely do not harbor scumbag tendencies. But, if you behave like a scumbag in a virtual world because you feel the need to "let out your pent up frustrations", or exercise your hidden tendencies and self - you're most likely a latent scumbag IRL.


No.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.07.29 12:09:00 - [42]
 

I thinklLaw abiding middle class folk like films like Reservoir Dogs as they can imagine being in a world where they can be reckless aggresive and bold which their regular safe\somewhat tedious lives does not allow.


Indimiel
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:40:00 - [43]
 

I think this movie tried a little too hard to be epic, and felt oh-so-desperate to market "clever" to people who may not be able to follow actual plot twists.

My main issue was the music. They started with the super-intense tune about 40 minutes before the movie end, which made it come off like Lancelot running towards the guards in Monty Python. I also didn't like di Caprio, but I am starting to suspect that is actually a personal thing. I just struggle to find him believable. He became just a guy who used to be somebody reading lines when they tried to sell him as a tough mercenary in Blood Diamond, and in this movie in particular I found him very jarring, shocking me out of my suspension of disbelief to see an actor instead of a character. Eames went some way to make up for it, with a most admirable force of personality, but they neglected to make him the lead.

It was ok, and I think largely it's getting all this attention because this has been a really really bad year for movies, with tired remakes and weak sequels everywhere.

Also: why the hell did weightlessness transfer from 1 to 2, but not from 2 to 3?!

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:23:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Zedic


Bzzzt Wrong.

If people behave in less than upright ways in a place where they think there are no consequences (i.e. Eve) then most likely - they would do the same IRL if they could get away with it. It's rather simple. If you're capable of behaving morally in a world where there are [seemingly] no consequences for abandoning morality - then you most likely do not harbor scumbag tendencies. But, if you behave like a scumbag in a virtual world because you feel the need to "let out your pent up frustrations", or exercise your hidden tendencies and self - you're most likely a latent scumbag IRL.


The role player in me say Bzzt wrong answer to your response.


Slade


Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:46:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
No.


Yes.

Originally by: Slade
stuff about "roleplay".


Morally upright people do not roleplay being evil. You're either good or your not. You'd either lie, steal and cheat - or you won't.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:18:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Zedic


Originally by: Slade
stuff about "roleplay".


Morally upright people do not roleplay being evil. You're either good or your not. You'd either lie, steal and cheat - or you won't.


Really?

So me, someone that voluntarily works for a non-profit rehabilitation hospital, who does a lot for inner city youth, and all around nice guy, is morally bankrupt becuase I have played evil characters in a role play settings?

Either way, I am typically true nutral when I role play. I like the gray area Twisted Evil


Slade

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.07.30 00:48:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Zedic


Originally by: Slade
stuff about "roleplay".


Morally upright people do not roleplay being evil. You're either good or your not. You'd either lie, steal and cheat - or you won't.


Really?

So me, someone that voluntarily works for a non-profit rehabilitation hospital, who does a lot for inner city youth, and all around nice guy, is morally bankrupt becuase I have played evil characters in a role play settings?

Either way, I am typically true nutral when I role play. I like the gray area Twisted Evil


Slade



Ya rly. Meh - perhaps you have some pent up aggression you'd like to discuss? Tell me about your mother...

I couldn't help but notice your pain. Share it with me. We're all friends here.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:36:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Zedic


Ya rly. Meh - perhaps you have some pent up aggression you'd like to discuss? Tell me about your mother...

I couldn't help but notice your pain. Share it with me. We're all friends here.



The man without aggression of any type is a rare one for sure. Either way, maintaining levels of aggression does not make one evil.


Slade

Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2010.07.30 07:06:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Wild Rho on 30/07/2010 07:06:39
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Inception, interesting concept, so-so execution.

Like the man said, wouldn't the largest two energy tychoons in the world spot eachother on a plane?

So they hid the airline takeover with dummy fronts and snuck Saito onboard, sure but a little snippet telling or showing this would go a long way.

like someone else said, it doesn't hold a candle to Vanilla Sky or Matrix for that matter.


That actually bothered me less when I thought "where's this guys personal security?". He's inherited the largest energy corporation in the world that's soon to create a global monopoly and yet he's on a plane alone with a bunch of strangers (some of whom are wanted criminals).


Although in the end I really enjoyed the film, I just hated the way he had to try and make the final scene ambiguous just for the hell of it.

edtheshed
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.30 10:31:00 - [50]
 

saw it yesterday

amaaaaazingExclamationExclamation

i wish i dream of a military snow bases all the time nowVery HappyVery Happy

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.07.30 10:41:00 - [51]
 

Yeah when the film switched to the snow base I was like wut! the film has turned into Call Of Duty MW2 lol.

edtheshed
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.30 11:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Vogue
Yeah when the film switched to the snow base I was like wut! the film has turned into Call Of Duty MW2 lol.


haha yea exactly, level 1

this film rocks, the gravity in van concept, the time slowing down as they go down levels, sure there are a couple things to argue about, but i dont care at all, just takes time away from the awesomesauce which i cant stop thinking about

brutoid
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.30 15:09:00 - [53]
 

So....why was his wife on the opposite balcony?

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2010.07.30 17:12:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: brutoid
So....why was his wife on the opposite balcony?


So he couldn't stop her jumping I guess.

Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
Posted - 2010.07.30 21:14:00 - [55]
 

Just watched the movie and it was definately good... but not THAT good. Loved the weithless scenes and dont have any real complaints. I just thought the movie would be more complicated and expected some twist or something that never came.

But maybe I'm influenced by high expectations. In either case it's still a pretty good movie Smile

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2010.07.31 09:54:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 31/07/2010 10:09:16

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: brutoid
So.... would the spinning top stop spinning?


That was also another weak aspect of the movie. When he spoke of the spinning top originally he said that it would not fall. Then at the very end it started to wobble and they cut it off like that was supposed to create some suspense. But to all who know anything about physics, know that for it to start to wobble means it is losing inertia and therfore will fall over, thus meaning that it was not a dream.


Slade



Without it starting to wobble, it would not have been so obvious that it was not a dream, specially after all the trips between dream levels. I did not think it was complex, but things occurred at a rapid pace so it was important to pay attention while watching.

Personally I spent most of my time thinking about weather the effects were realistic in relation to the depth of the dream levels and time slowing down and such things...

I will see it again when it comes on DVD. I dont think this movie was better than Matrix 1 at all, but thats just my perception of it.

Edit: I was also expecting a twist... I was thinking about the possibility of Mal being alive after watching the movie for a while. She knew what Cobbs item to verify weather or not it was a dream looked like, so she could have created a dream where Cobb would have been completely fooled. But I guess the twist was when we got to find out that Cobb made her jump... it was OK too I guess, but there was no way to really guess that in advance. I like it better when you are able to suspect something and it gets verified later in the movie.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2010.07.31 10:14:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 31/07/2010 10:20:18


Originally by: Zedic


If people behave in less than upright ways in a place where they think there are no consequences (i.e. Eve) then most likely - they would do the same IRL if they could get away with it. It's rather simple.


No its really not.

You are projecting here and thinking everybody would do what you would do, or do what you believe others would do if given the chance.

Its not that simple. People are very different underneath the surface. Smile

To make a point... you can take the characters from Lost. Would all of them do the same thing when confronted with the same situation? You can even take your family. Even them wouldnt do the same thing. :)


Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.08.03 22:51:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
My point stands; Saito is billed to be a ruthless businessman, complete with goons/henchmen, ready to dispose of bodies on a whim. Would someone of this nature really spend some much effort and time on a chance that it might work?


No evidence pointing to him.

In a world where something like this is possible it's a very probable way of commiting the perfect crime. Why do it the messy way if you can make your opponent do exactly what you want with him truly believing that it's his idea?

That said, i do see the plot hole of him sitting right next to Fischer, but that's about it. On the whole, it might have been worth the risk. After all, if it didn't work, assassination was always another option.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.08.04 04:06:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor
I'm wrong


Ya rly! Twisted Evil

I'd say you were projecting. One is either evil or one is not. You don't get to "escape" to a pretend place where you behave in an evil fashion. If you do that here, given half a chance you'd do it IRL. It's why people do it here - because they can get away with it whereas IRL - they cannot.

Spare me the morally grey crap. That's middle of the road shyte ~ and a cop out. Neutrality must fall!

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.08.04 04:08:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Inception, interesting concept, so-so execution.

Like the man said, wouldn't the largest two energy tychoons in the world spot eachother on a plane?

So they hid the airline takeover with dummy fronts and snuck Saito onboard, sure but a little snippet telling or showing this would go a long way.

like someone else said, it doesn't hold a candle to Vanilla Sky or Matrix for that matter.


I love LOVE LOVED Vanilla Sky but I also loved Inception. The way they portrayed the dreams within dreams was fascinating. Especially the explanation of how time works.

Anyone else ever have a dream about dreaming?


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