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fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:14:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Aralis
To answer some of the points raised here and clear the air a bit a rare CVA announcement.

We did not in any way cause this, though obviously we are beneficiaries.

This is not hacking or metagaming. It's a genuine disgruntled faction within UK. (Not the first of those in recent times but the first to take it so far.)

If this was hacking obviously we would stand clear. It's not. This is a valid in game action, not a nice one, but a legal one. Yes personally I agree these are crap game mechanics. But many crap game mechanics have hurt us. This is how it is.

As a player I sympathise for the old timers who did keep their honour and do not deserve this. (Though most of UK have seemed to lack any honour for some time. Mucho metagaming has been used against us.) However this is an in game, in character action and obviously there I am pleased.



You are a disgraceful hypocritical man and everything you have ever stood for is now revealed as so much noise and froth. Any members of the CVA who care about their reputation in Eve should leave your organization right now. You understand this is poor game mechanics, its a broken part of the alliance management system, yet you are prepared to take full advantage already anchoring SBU's and seeking to recapture the territory that was taken from you in war.

When this happened to your alliance Ushra'khan, AAA, SF and dozen's of other eve RP and non-RP entities stood up immediately and condemned it before we knew what the story was because we disapproved with the action on principle. We didn't know whether you'd be hacked or it was a traitor or it was a game glitch but we still condemned it and decided not to attack your space because we didn't like the idea of an old and famous Eve alliance being taken down with this kind of disreputable and pathetic glitchy disband.

Yet here you stand spitting in the face of those who defended you against precisely this kind of attack and trying to justify it on the murky accusation of "metagaming" against your enemies.

I've never liked you Aralis. I've never trusted or respected you. I've always considered you a snake and dishonest man. Now I know I was right all along.



comedy gold

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:15:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Aralis
To answer some of the points raised here and clear the air a bit a rare CVA announcement.

We did not in any way cause this, though obviously we are beneficiaries.

This is not hacking or metagaming. It's a genuine disgruntled faction within UK. (Not the first of those in recent times but the first to take it so far.)

If this was hacking obviously we would stand clear. It's not. This is a valid in game action, not a nice one, but a legal one. Yes personally I agree these are crap game mechanics. But many crap game mechanics have hurt us. This is how it is.

As a player I sympathise for the old timers who did keep their honour and do not deserve this. (Though most of UK have seemed to lack any honour for some time. Mucho metagaming has been used against us.) However this is an in game, in character action and obviously there I am pleased.



You are a disgraceful hypocritical man and everything you have ever stood for is now revealed as so much noise and froth. Any members of the CVA who care about their reputation in Eve should leave your organization right now. You understand this is poor game mechanics, its a broken part of the alliance management system, yet you are prepared to take full advantage already anchoring SBU's and seeking to recapture the territory that was taken from you in war.

When this happened to your alliance Ushra'khan, AAA, SF and dozen's of other eve RP and non-RP entities stood up immediately and condemned it before we knew what the story was because we disapproved with the action on principle. We didn't know whether you'd be hacked or it was a traitor or it was a game glitch but we still condemned it and decided not to attack your space because we didn't like the idea of an old and famous Eve alliance being taken down with this kind of disreputable and pathetic glitchy disband.

Yet here you stand spitting in the face of those who defended you against precisely this kind of attack and trying to justify it on the murky accusation of "metagaming" against your enemies.

I've never liked you Aralis. I've never trusted or respected you. I've always considered you a snake and dishonest man. Now I know I was right all along.



Couldn't have said it better myself. Honest and straight to the point.

I sense a new campaign in the works... Twisted Evil

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:16:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Aralis
To answer some of the points raised here and clear the air a bit a rare CVA announcement.

We did not in any way cause this, though obviously we are beneficiaries.

This is not hacking or metagaming. It's a genuine disgruntled faction within UK. (Not the first of those in recent times but the first to take it so far.)

If this was hacking obviously we would stand clear. It's not. This is a valid in game action, not a nice one, but a legal one. Yes personally I agree these are crap game mechanics. But many crap game mechanics have hurt us. This is how it is.

As a player I sympathise for the old timers who did keep their honour and do not deserve this. (Though most of UK have seemed to lack any honour for some time. Mucho metagaming has been used against us.) However this is an in game, in character action and obviously there I am pleased.



You are a disgraceful hypocritical man and everything you have ever stood for is now revealed as so much noise and froth. Any members of the CVA who care about their reputation in Eve should leave your organization right now. You understand this is poor game mechanics, its a broken part of the alliance management system, yet you are prepared to take full advantage already anchoring SBU's and seeking to recapture the territory that was taken from you in war.

When this happened to your alliance Ushra'khan, AAA, SF and dozen's of other eve RP and non-RP entities stood up immediately and condemned it before we knew what the story was because we disapproved with the action on principle. We didn't know whether you'd be hacked or it was a traitor or it was a game glitch but we still condemned it and decided not to attack your space because we didn't like the idea of an old and famous Eve alliance being taken down with this kind of disreputable and pathetic glitchy disband.

Yet here you stand spitting in the face of those who defended you against precisely this kind of attack and trying to justify it on the murky accusation of "metagaming" against your enemies.

I've never liked you Aralis. I've never trusted or respected you. I've always considered you a snake and dishonest man. Now I know I was right all along.



Very Happy

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:19:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/07/2010 14:19:47

U'K don't deserve to have this sort of thing happen to them. But having said that, I'm sure they'll recover.

A sad day for Eve Sad

Franga
Caldari
NQX Innovations
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:20:00 - [65]
 

Did this just turn into the 'intergalactic summit' forum?

Tomas Ysidro
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:21:00 - [66]
 

This is now an Ushra'Khandot thread

Weaselior
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:23:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Aralis
To answer some of the points raised here and clear the air a bit a rare CVA announcement.

We did not in any way cause this, though obviously we are beneficiaries.

This is not hacking or metagaming. It's a genuine disgruntled faction within UK. (Not the first of those in recent times but the first to take it so far.)

If this was hacking obviously we would stand clear. It's not. This is a valid in game action, not a nice one, but a legal one. Yes personally I agree these are crap game mechanics. But many crap game mechanics have hurt us. This is how it is.

As a player I sympathise for the old timers who did keep their honour and do not deserve this. (Though most of UK have seemed to lack any honour for some time. Mucho metagaming has been used against us.) However this is an in game, in character action and obviously there I am pleased.



You are a disgraceful hypocritical man and everything you have ever stood for is now revealed as so much noise and froth. Any members of the CVA who care about their reputation in Eve should leave your organization right now. You understand this is poor game mechanics, its a broken part of the alliance management system, yet you are prepared to take full advantage already anchoring SBU's and seeking to recapture the territory that was taken from you in war.

When this happened to your alliance Ushra'khan, AAA, SF and dozen's of other eve RP and non-RP entities stood up immediately and condemned it before we knew what the story was because we disapproved with the action on principle. We didn't know whether you'd be hacked or it was a traitor or it was a game glitch but we still condemned it and decided not to attack your space because we didn't like the idea of an old and famous Eve alliance being taken down with this kind of disreputable and pathetic glitchy disband.

Yet here you stand spitting in the face of those who defended you against precisely this kind of attack and trying to justify it on the murky accusation of "metagaming" against your enemies.

I've never liked you Aralis. I've never trusted or respected you. I've always considered you a snake and dishonest man. Now I know I was right all along.



you seem a little tense maybe a visit to an eve brothel would relax you

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:24:00 - [68]
 

the funny thing is that Aralis will still be spinning ships in Misaba in two weeks time, only without the ability to claim his much trumpeted e-honour superiority... and I must say, if the shoe was on the other foot, UK would never condone it (and indeed we stood by CVA when the same thing happened to them)

we're going to be in a new alliance before the timers in R3 are even out, so what exactly is Aralis hoping to gain? Perhaps he can answer that question directly



Weaselior
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:24:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
the funny thing is that Aralis will still be spinning ships in Misaba in two weeks time, only without the ability to claim his much trumpeted e-honour superiority... and I must say, if the shoe was on the other foot, UK would never condone it (and indeed we stood by CVA when the same thing happened to them)

we're going to be in a new alliance before the timers in R3 are even out, so what exactly is Aralis hoping to gain? Perhaps he can answer that question directly





all of your space and your alliance~~~

Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:29:00 - [70]
 

It is a shame this sort of thing happens.

Aria Kasalovich
Minmatar
Iridium Inc.
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:29:00 - [71]
 

Bottom line is Waterboard sucks b4lla...

And this is all just b4lls, I tell you...

B4lls, b4lls, b4lls.... !!!


Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:30:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Pezzle
It is a shame this sort of thing happens.


Tell that to your pig executor...

CVA should not be taking advantage of this situation by any means.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:30:00 - [73]
 


Not tense at all, its rather satisfying to know that I was right about Aralis all along. Shame it took the destruction of one of Eve's most famous alliance names to do it but thats Eve I guess.


Shiroi Okami
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:34:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Not tense at all, its rather satisfying to know that I was right about Aralis all along. Shame it took the destruction of one of Eve's most famous alliance names to do it but thats Eve I guess.




UK has not been disbanded. It has just undergone a change of hands. The alliance does in fact still exist

Hratli Smirks
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:34:00 - [75]
 

Jade Constantine doesn't like you, Aralis

How will this affect you re: your will to live?

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:37:00 - [76]
 

to support my space bros in hydra i have commit this just for you!

Quote:
Corporate Vote - Vote Lilan Kahn for CEO From: Lilan Kahn Sent: 2010.07.24 14:25 HOSTIL TAKE OVER!




Sroasa
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:37:00 - [77]
 

I have no idea what is going on but ...

You all seriously mad.

Lyra Garris
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:38:00 - [78]
 

Having fought Ushra'Khan in the past on the Loyalist side I must say I'm still sad to see them fall to this. Hope they can dust off and get back on their feet.

Lykouleon
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:40:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
Karma is a mother****er.....

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


You don't have much room to talk, seeing as you single-handedly killed an alliance yourself...

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:47:00 - [80]
 


Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.


Sroasa
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.24 14:52:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.



That is ... I mean ... With the ...

What?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:05:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.




Whilst I think that it would be fair to say that I'm not one of Jade's biggest fans, I have to admit that I did LOL upon reading that.

Kra Torii
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:07:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.




Laughing

Mr Mork
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:09:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.




Jade Constantine's insults in this thread is a bit poor. Its like trying really hard to find hurtful points then losing them by trying oh so hard to sound like a good writer.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:11:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Mr Mork
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.




Jade Constantine's insults in this thread is a bit poor. Its like trying really hard to find hurtful points then losing them by trying oh so hard to sound like a good writer.


(poor) imitation is the (lamest) form of flattery.

Rinchi
Caldari
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:13:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Icarus3
Originally by: Pezzle
It is a shame this sort of thing happens.

...CVA should not be taking advantage of this situation by any means.


So it was okay for U'K to take advantage Sylph disbanding?

I mean, surely U'K wouldn't immediately take over systems that were dropped or gloat about the disbanding.

Double standard much?

That's not to say I think the disbanding mechanic is right; it's a dirty way of winning. Then again, so is listening in on comms and bumping caps out of POS's using stolen passwords (both of which Ushra'Khan has at least benefited from in the past, if they didn't participate in it themselves...).

Don't take advantage of the situation? Don't make me laugh.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:18:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 24/07/2010 15:19:37
the relationship between UK and CVA, however, is quite different to that of UK and Sylph, and we stood up for CVA when their alliance was disbanded, and publically supported them

in addition, Aralis and CVA consistently drone on about e-honour, but these days nothing really comes as a shock with regard to them... so, whatever, i guess ;)

the real point is that CVA didn't have much after losing providence, and now they've kissed goodbye to their cherished e-honour... the SBU'ing of R3 is pretty much their swansong as far as I can see

Mr Mork
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:25:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mr Mork
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Goonswarm trolling in this thread is a bit poor. Its like an 40-a-day asthmatic producing an unimpressive low drone from a vuvuzela while their team goes out without scoring a goal.




Jade Constantine's insults in this thread is a bit poor. Its like trying really hard to find hurtful points then losing them by trying oh so hard to sound like a good writer.


(poor) imitation is the (lamest) form of flattery.



Caricatures are pretty awesome though.

Kat Powers
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:26:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Rinchi
So it was okay for U'K to take advantage Sylph disbanding?
How is this a double standard? Sylph chose to disband.

xxxTRUSTxxx
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:31:00 - [90]
 

I'm sorry to hear this news, a nasty game mechanic for sure. <<< CCP take note.
I'd have thought all alliances would have learned from past actions like this. <<< Alliances take note.

The question is should people take advantage of the situation ?

i guess some do and some don't. i suppose it depends on how relations are between those that stand to gain or lose from it, some would rather honour over sov while others just don't care in the thinking that there is only one rule in war, WIN !


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