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Nexus Kinnon
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.27 10:43:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
butter dog is gay lol


this is literally the level of discourse which is currently happening in this thread fyi

Count MonteCarlo
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.27 11:04:00 - [362]
 

Originally by: Azzail
Hmm I don't see why there is so much hate and tears here. It's just another alliance dying and out of it's own stupidity at that.
So Ushra'Khan is on of the oldest alliances in the game and? For claiming to be all that old and all that great why are they AAA pets? You mean to tell me with all your dead serious gaming for these 7 years all you amount to is AAA pet status? woah thats one hell of alot success you guys should be thanking HYDRA for ending such a fail'd history for you so you guys can start anew. Besides if my memory does'nt fail me (which it does all the time) when you guys took Providence from CVA oh wait you guys did'nt take Providence AAA did you where just installed as pet afterwards.. well thats some alliance to be proud of men I can totaly understand your hate/rage/tears now.


I wonder why no one replied to this Sad

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.27 11:12:00 - [363]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 27/07/2010 11:14:32
Probably because it incorrectly gives credit to Hydra for something they didn't do, since we now know Tarac wasnt a Hydra plant but just a classic old disgruntled director after a bit of e-fame and isk Wink

The rest is just lol. We've already told you guys we don't want the alliance name back, do you honestly think we'd have said that if it bothered us so much?

I'd be more concerned about helping CVA get that foothold they so want, if I were you, as I hear R3 and N8 didn't work out so well Embarassed

Originally by: Suitonia
anrgy :words: from self styled ~elite pvp~ corp


the difference is, we don't pretend to be something we're not - the rage on your killboard at some of your less intelligent losses is quite something to behold Embarassed

Tarac Nor
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.07.27 11:33:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 27/07/2010 11:14:32
Probably because it incorrectly gives credit to Hydra for something they didn't do, since we now know Tarac wasnt a Hydra plant but just a classic old disgruntled director after a bit of e-fame and isk Wink

The rest is just lol. We've already told you guys we don't want the alliance name back, do you honestly think we'd have said that if it bothered us so much?

I'd be more concerned about helping CVA get that foothold they so want, if I were you, as I hear R3 and N8 didn't work out so well Embarassed

Originally by: Suitonia
anrgy :words: from self styled ~elite pvp~ corp


the difference is, we don't pretend to be something we're not - the rage on your killboard at some of your less intelligent losses is quite something to behold Embarassed


Butters, ive had a few of your members ask me personally for the name back, please dont pretend that you speak for everyone in your alliance.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.27 11:47:00 - [365]
 

I can speak for our alliance leadership when I say: we don't want it back. That is the firmly expressed view of the decision makers.

What a few randoms tell you is neither here nor there Wink

Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.27 11:59:00 - [366]
 

Whats wrong Tarac, can you sense your doing not getting through to UK leadership like you wanted it to?

Whats wrong gais, can you feel the end of your e-fame coming?

Bwhahahahahah, I love the smell of emokids in the morning.


Jack Gilligan
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:02:00 - [367]
 

Originally by: Tarac Nor
Originally by: Traideia


lulz

Run Tarac.. RUUUN


Why run when i can dock lulz.

So apparently there are two frames of mind. Ive got a week of fame and people are gonna forget me, the other frame is that people are gonna hunt me down forever and im never ever ever gonna be able to play again. Come on people which is it gonna be??? Laughing


More like, even if other people are willing to let you play with them, you will never be trusted, REALLY trusted again. Same goes for everyone who has pulled this stunt.

Is that really worth it? It's not like you got enough ISK out of this to pay off your mortgage or anything. Hell, doing this sort of thing is now such old hat you don't even get 15 minutes of fame out of it.

If my only future in EVE was being able to belong to an alliance that thought it was a great idea to revive hydra I'd sell my characters and quit.


Mercurial Blood
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:02:00 - [368]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
40% efficiency, how... ~elite pvp~

and congrats on holding the fie... owait Embarassed


SHIIIIIT WE ARE LOSING THE ISK WAR RETREAAAAAAT RETREAAAAAAAAT...

Although TBH everyone I know outside HYDRA goes totally bonkers over any Mach kills and starts ****ing out the mouth. Its not as if ISK value is converted directly to hitpoints making the ship harder to kill. Machs fill an important niche within EVE and are terribly fun to fly. Some people are not looking to play EVE like accountants but instead just want to fly and have fun and that little number in your wallet can go to hell.

--
Merc

Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:08:00 - [369]
 

Originally by: Mercurial Blood
SHIIIIIT WE ARE LOSING THE ISK WAR RETREAAAAAAT RETREAAAAAAAAT...

Although TBH everyone I know outside HYDRA goes totally bonkers over any Mach kills and starts ****ing out the mouth. Its not as if ISK value is converted directly to hitpoints making the ship harder to kill. Machs fill an important niche within EVE and are terribly fun to fly. Some people are not looking to play EVE like accountants but instead just want to fly and have fun and that little number in your wallet can go to hell.

--
Merc


In other words, this is a testimony to heavy overuse of mothers creditcard for GTC and/or China ISK transactions?

Don't be shy, we all know you won't sustain 10+ Machariels by missionrunning, but if you are then that could possibly mean you are evil basement dwellers?

Evil circle!

Mercurial Blood
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:11:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Mercurial Blood
SHIIIIIT WE ARE LOSING THE ISK WAR RETREAAAAAAT RETREAAAAAAAAT...

Although TBH everyone I know outside HYDRA goes totally bonkers over any Mach kills and starts ****ing out the mouth. Its not as if ISK value is converted directly to hitpoints making the ship harder to kill. Machs fill an important niche within EVE and are terribly fun to fly. Some people are not looking to play EVE like accountants but instead just want to fly and have fun and that little number in your wallet can go to hell.

--
Merc


In other words, this is a testimony to heavy overuse of mothers creditcard for GTC and/or China ISK transactions?

Don't be shy, we all know you won't sustain 10+ Machariels by missionrunning, but if you are then that could possibly mean you are evil basement dwellers?

Evil circle!


UTU isk.

Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:13:00 - [371]
 

Core-stab UTU, Best UTU.

Shigsy
Caldari
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:15:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Ae0lian
Love how you paired up with We FORM Voltron and Hydra.


What's wrong with teaming up with the #2 and #3 ranked alliances ingame?

Lykouleon
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:35:00 - [373]
 

My god my CEO is a worse poaster than Butter Dog Embarassed

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:45:00 - [374]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Butter Dog
40% efficiency, how... ~elite pvp~

and congrats on holding the fie... owait Embarassed


You barely broke even in efficiency against a fleet you had more than 2:1 odds against, and had almost more battleships than our entire fleet consisted of pilots. I mean sure it's not exactly a 'win' for us, so, Congratulations on winning the engagement and holding the field, I don't see how you can even remotely spin this as "kicking our ass" though, which is what the guy who Count MonteCarlo quoted, said. All facts considered.

I also don't know why you would make a post smacking about how one of our Machariel pilots has t1 guns, when you have Triple CCC, Triple Cap Recharge, PDU Megabeam Abaddons on the field, 7 gun t1 megabeam Apoc, Cap Recharger Geddon, bringing my ratting fit to PvP Dominix, 6 gun cap recharger megathron, bringing my ratting raven, not 1 not 2 but 3 manticores with incorrect damage type missiles and no replacement. In your fleets.


Bloody hell! All that frantic linking of killmails to defend the honour of your space corporation definitely means you are of sound mind and not at all irritated at the suggestion some of your pilots might be a little bit suboptimal.

Tarac Nor
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.07.27 12:52:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: Lykouleon
My god my CEO is a worse poaster than Butter Dog Embarassed


NOOOOO!!! SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!!

Shiroi Okami
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:31:00 - [376]
 

Originally by: Mercurial Blood
Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Mercurial Blood
SHIIIIIT WE ARE LOSING THE ISK WAR RETREAAAAAAT RETREAAAAAAAAT...

Although TBH everyone I know outside HYDRA goes totally bonkers over any Mach kills and starts ****ing out the mouth. Its not as if ISK value is converted directly to hitpoints making the ship harder to kill. Machs fill an important niche within EVE and are terribly fun to fly. Some people are not looking to play EVE like accountants but instead just want to fly and have fun and that little number in your wallet can go to hell.

--
Merc


In other words, this is a testimony to heavy overuse of mothers creditcard for GTC and/or China ISK transactions?

Don't be shy, we all know you won't sustain 10+ Machariels by missionrunning, but if you are then that could possibly mean you are evil basement dwellers?

Evil circle!


UTU isk.


Don't worry merc, it's just that UK's tourney team captain is still a little bitter.

Admiral Goberius
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:43:00 - [377]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Bloody hell! All that frantic linking of killmails to defend the honour of your space corporation definitely means you are of sound mind and not at all irritated at the suggestion some of your pilots might be a little bit suboptimal.



Tbh jade, the only reason we lost any machs at all to ex-UK is because they fitted the perfect jammers. Some spy must have given them the intel before the fight started.

- Gob

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.27 13:54:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: Admiral Goberius
Tbh jade, the only reason we lost any machs at all to ex-UK is because they fitted the perfect jammers. Some spy must have given them the intel before the fight started.- Gob



Okay thats funnier than the average Hydra post I'll give you that Very Happy

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.27 14:17:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Kazzzi
By playing "dirty", are you referring to where we offered you a temp NIP, and came to the forums by the dozens to give you our best wishes, some of us even offering support when we believed you may have had your alliance disbanded by a spy?


No. I'm referring to U'K's rather gleeful use of -A-'s real-time intel from vent compromise, the same use of POS passwords for bowling, and general mockery of CVA when we, at the time, proposed this was against certain gentlemen's rules U'K and CVA used to stick to (not unlike U'K's implications now that Aralis knowing of U'K's imminent demise is a similar breach of those rules.)

You guys are free to play the game how you want, but you clearly demonstrated to CVA that previous decorum no longer need apply. Now you cry that Aralis had prior knowledge and didn't pass it on as he surely would have in the past. That's a situation of U'K's own creation.

We don't seek and won't seek revenge 'cause that's just not our style. We had our day in the sun and we blew it when we thought our coallition was strong enough to invade -A- space. That turned out to be a fairly staggering miscalculation. So long as Aralis is at the helm, we'll be working in Providence...but we won't let our organizational identity be driven by some crazy sense of righteous vengeance.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.27 14:40:00 - [380]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 27/07/2010 14:55:16

Originally by: Garreck
We could go 'round and 'round (and I think you and I would actually be in agreement) about the bad state of alliance disbandment mechanics or whatever... but I think even you have to see, Jade, that a CVA account getting hacked and Ushra'Khan being socially engineered are two different scenarios.


Well ultimately there is difference yes. But the problem for you is that UK/AAA and practically everyone else opposed to the CVA declared their support and forebearance immediately before we knew whether it was an account hack or simple infilitration/betrayal.

And you and I both know that if UK/AAA had attacked immediately when CVA got disbanded then CCP would not have been able to undo their gains regardless of correcting damage from the account hack, they would have achieved a serious advantage by behaving precisely as you have now.

Quote:
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA" set by Ushra'Khan when we got beat down. U'K claimed at that time (and continue to assert) that they never did and never will infiltrate us, but were happy to utilize vent info and tower passwords attained by other means. Likewise...we'll probably not pause in our efforts in Providence just because Hydra apparently pulled off a pretty decent infiltration.


I don't think you get to claim "UK did this first" with any credibilty given the CVA's use of downtime tower spam cheese to take the UK's stations in Providence all those years ago Garreck. And the repeated incidents of CVA defending its space only through the intercession of non-RP sometimes quite shoddy allies (looking at goonswarm) made a bit of a mockery of your rules of engagement a long time ago.

But I do think its probably a good thing in general that CVA is now acknowleding that Amarrian Nationalism is something that works well with treachery, scumbags and general dishonest manipulation of enemies where military force cannot work. It certainly suits my understanding of the game background better than all this nonsense about kindly uncle Aralis tending the noob utopia in Providence did. Amarrian loyalists are deceitful, disgusting, morally-bankrupt liars and manipulators in serve to a corrupt and decadent faith built on torture, brain-washing and slave labour. I find it entirely fitting you would use a traitor to achieve your ends.

Its just a shame the traitor of the hour is such a worthless scrub.

Imagine the scene from Dune.

"They have my wife my Duke, but remember the tooth, when you see the Baron, remember the tooth."
"A thousand deaths are not enough for Yueh!"

(Tarok whatever)

"Ummm lols I just turned off the shields cos I was bored."
"I kinda wish somebody would actually lose something."


Drestin
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:11:00 - [381]
 

Originally by: Garreck Aralis knowing of U'K's imminent demise

but we won't let our organizational identity be driven by some crazy sense of righteous vengeance.[/quote



Standards, Line in the sand. Yes

Lykouleon
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.27 15:37:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Tarac Nor
Originally by: Lykouleon
My god my CEO is a worse poaster than Butter Dog Embarassed


NOOOOO!!! SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!!


Yeah, you're right, Butters does seem pretty ~butt hurt~

Come give me a hug you sexy kangaroo you Wink

Nekre
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:03:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kazzzi
By playing "dirty", are you referring to where we offered you a temp NIP, and came to the forums by the dozens to give you our best wishes, some of us even offering support when we believed you may have had your alliance disbanded by a spy?


No. I'm referring to U'K's rather gleeful use of -A-'s real-time intel from vent compromise, the same use of POS passwords for bowling, and general mockery of CVA when we, at the time, proposed this was against certain gentlemen's rules U'K and CVA used to stick to (not unlike U'K's implications now that Aralis knowing of U'K's imminent demise is a similar breach of those rules.)

You guys are free to play the game how you want, but you clearly demonstrated to CVA that previous decorum no longer need apply. Now you cry that Aralis had prior knowledge and didn't pass it on as he surely would have in the past. That's a situation of U'K's own creation.

We don't seek and won't seek revenge 'cause that's just not our style. We had our day in the sun and we blew it when we thought our coallition was strong enough to invade -A- space. That turned out to be a fairly staggering miscalculation. So long as Aralis is at the helm, we'll be working in Providence...but we won't let our organizational identity be driven by some crazy sense of righteous vengeance.


Well I guess it's only fair to be honest... You guys got ***** slapped by -A- & co. so you now have to make up for it. It won't get you back in Provi but hey, at lest you can share your emo tears with the public now :))

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:17:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
I can speak for our alliance leadership when I say: we don't want it back. That is the firmly expressed view of the decision makers.

What a few randoms tell you is neither here nor there Wink


Now when you say alliance leadership, do you mean the CEO that was afk from game for 3-4 months, the leadership 'in exile' in CO2 or just plain old CO2 leadership ?
Because 2 of those are pretty lol.

Ae0lian
Caldari
Militaris Industries
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:27:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
Originally by: Ae0lian

Shows what little you know, Arailis said he would never form an alliance with these people, and BAM there he is, getting his rear end handed to him in KBP7 at the same time as they are. scum tends to stick together it would seem.



YES WE TOTALLY GOT OWNED THERE, YOU SURE SHOWED US

Linkage
Friendly (94) Hostile (181)

41.07% Efficiency (ISK)

And that's after managing to kill two machs, I have no idea how it looks so well in our favour Laughing





faking KMs now?
65 Ships killed (4.58B ISK) 21 Ships lost (1.03B ISK) 81.61% Efficiency (ISK)

according to our allied KB. I wont link it due to the fact its not ours KB and out of respect to their privacy. dont believe it, I really don't care.

Dosen't erase the fact you got your rear ends pounded like **** star late on their rent.

CHED
Caldari
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:35:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Ae0lian
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
Originally by: Ae0lian

Shows what little you know, Arailis said he would never form an alliance with these people, and BAM there he is, getting his rear end handed to him in KBP7 at the same time as they are. scum tends to stick together it would seem.



YES WE TOTALLY GOT OWNED THERE, YOU SURE SHOWED US

Linkage
Friendly (94) Hostile (181)

41.07% Efficiency (ISK)

And that's after managing to kill two machs, I have no idea how it looks so well in our favour Laughing





faking KMs now?
65 Ships killed (4.58B ISK) 21 Ships lost (1.03B ISK) 81.61% Efficiency (ISK)

according to our allied KB. I wont link it due to the fact its not ours KB and out of respect to their privacy. dont believe it, I really don't care.

Dosen't erase the fact you got your rear ends pounded like **** star late on their rent.


no way is this serious

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:00:00 - [387]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
I don't think you get to claim "UK did this first" with any credibilty given the CVA's use of downtime tower spam cheese to take the UK's stations in Providence all those years ago Garreck.

I'm really not concerned about who started what at this point; the conversation (particularly mis/disinformation about the tower spam in 9uy) is old and tired. At this point, the lack of organizational respect through special rules is very obviously mutual, and I'm less saying U'K "started" it with their actions with -A-, and more saying U'K "affirmed" it with those actions.

Or: given our organizations' recent histories and comments and sentiments affirmed by U'K most recently, it's comical for U'K to whine that Aralis had knowledge of what was going to happen and did nothing to protect U'K per the previous (and oft mocked by newer U'K influences) gentlemen's understanding.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
But I do think its probably a good thing in general that CVA is now acknowleding that Amarrian Nationalism is something that works well with treachery, scumbags and general dishonest manipulation of enemies where military force cannot work.

This is well recorded in the prime fiction and reflected in lots of amarr missions in-game etc, though I'm sure CAOD doesn't want to listen to you and I wax poetic about lawful good, chaotic good, chaotic evil, and what makes good internet spaceship opera. There are lots of expressions/interpretations of loyalty to God, Empire, and Empress in the Amarrian's corner of Eve.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I find it entirely fitting you would use a traitor to achieve your ends.

Oops. But...we didn't. Hydra did. Without our sponsorship, urging, or cooperation, and with only Aralis' last-minute knowledge and silence (even internally) on the matter. Whether or not I agree that Amarrians play dirty in the fiction of Eve, that particular kind of dirty is not how CVA runs business.

Of course that does bring us back to "we will continue operations in Providence per the norm without regard to U'K's misfortune." So you could more accurately say we will (attempt to...capability is a whole other discussion) use the treachery of others and the misfortune of our enemy to achieve our ends.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:10:00 - [388]
 

Originally by: CHED
Originally by: Ae0lian
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
Originally by: Ae0lian

Shows what little you know, Arailis said he would never form an alliance with these people, and BAM there he is, getting his rear end handed to him in KBP7 at the same time as they are. scum tends to stick together it would seem.



YES WE TOTALLY GOT OWNED THERE, YOU SURE SHOWED US

Linkage
Friendly (94) Hostile (181)

41.07% Efficiency (ISK)

And that's after managing to kill two machs, I have no idea how it looks so well in our favour Laughing





faking KMs now?
65 Ships killed (4.58B ISK) 21 Ships lost (1.03B ISK) 81.61% Efficiency (ISK)

according to our allied KB. I wont link it due to the fact its not ours KB and out of respect to their privacy. dont believe it, I really don't care.

Dosen't erase the fact you got your rear ends pounded like **** star late on their rent.


no way is this serious


I think it says a lot about their recruitment standards.

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:20:00 - [389]
 

Damn guys, where is your space ethics

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:51:00 - [390]
 

Edited by: General Windypops on 27/07/2010 19:51:57
Originally by: Lykouleon
Yeah, you're right, Butters does seem pretty ~butt hurt~


Ok, I came up with the name Jade Constantwhine, even though I like the guy, er... girl. I'm going to do it again. Why haven't you guys considered calling my esteemed former U'K colleague Butthurt Plug?


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