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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:22:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: Shiroi Okami


Wow, just, wow. I can't wait to see butter try and salvage that one.

/me gets popcorn


I understand and sympathise that your alliance performance over the past few days has been dismal, and you're keen to score forum points. That's okay, it's a natural reaction.

However, trying to judge an alliances level of emo-rage using Black Necris, is like judging it's forum posting skills using me. It doesn't quite add up.

Better luck on your next point-scoring attempt though. And I hope you, you know, win some fights in Providence soon Embarassed

Count MonteCarlo
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:32:00 - [302]
 

ye m8 we're getting completley STOMPED today

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:39:00 - [303]
 

this thread has convinced voltron that hydra must indeed provail.

our best ships. you have them!

fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:59:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Shiroi Okami


Wow, just, wow. I can't wait to see butter try and salvage that one.

/me gets popcorn


I understand and sympathise that your alliance performance over the past few days has been dismal, and you're keen to score forum points. That's okay, it's a natural reaction.

However, trying to judge an alliances level of emo-rage using Black Necris, is like judging it's forum posting skills using me. It doesn't quite add up.

Better luck on your next point-scoring attempt though. And I hope you, you know, win some fights in Providence soon Embarassed


http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7224183

welcome to the pwn zone

ImmaSplodeYou
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:02:00 - [305]
 

Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

I logged in to see this in corp chat

HOLY WALL OF RAGE AND TEARS



Bloody Fantastic

Toys successfully ousted from pram good sir

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:22:00 - [306]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/07/2010 16:23:20
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
ye m8 we're getting completley STOMPED today


Congratulations on winning 1 fight, hopefully that will give you the morale boost you needed. If you join my corp I'll give you a medal.

We'll be seeing you later I assume? Do bring the machariels again Embarassed


Count MonteCarlo
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:38:00 - [307]
 

We sure do lose a lot of fights Sad

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:53:00 - [308]
 

Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
We sure do lose a lot of fights Sad


you

sure

do




Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:53:00 - [309]
 


On an OOC basis I really would hope those who committed this act will return the name UshraKhan to the Minmatar RPers who founded it. Stealing the name of a corporation or alliance is just a sad tactic. At least leave the alliance and give it back to them so they can start over. Nothing is gained on an IC level once you have their assets.

I have long been against tactics like "spying" ingame because there is no real way to prevent them IC. As a roleplayer everything I do ingame is from an IC perspective. Once I suggested "skills" that you could train like "espionage agent" that would allow you to temporarily change your identity an infiltrate a corp. Another set of skills like "corporate intelligence" would allow you to see the evemails and alts of your membership so you could monitor for spies. This at least would put some kind of IG mechanic in place to RP espionage.

Knowing Aralis I 100% believe his comments on page 2 and I do believe he cares especially about the old-timers who certainly don't deserve this. The sad part about big alliances is you can't keep every member happy 100% of the time and as this case has shown it only takes one person to bring everything down.

I do hope the name Ushra'Khan is returned to those who worked so hard to make it mean something. I would also hope that when/if they get that name back they return to more of the RP side of the game that some of us enjoy so much. Someone posted that life in 0.0 causes you to make sacrifices that aren't always what you want. I have to agree thats true.

Several days ago I contacted one of those UK "old-timers" privately and let him know if that doesn't happen there are those in the RP community who will support any new corporation or alliance they form (strictly OOC of course! IC they will all be enslaved! Laughing ). The Amarr-Minmatar RP community is the oldest in Eve and while actions in 0.0 space between some of the members of the community in recent years have brought about some hard feelings I also believe some of the finest Eve citizens live in those two communities. I believe EVE has the best RP community in all of online gaming. The "sandbox" is not dead.

Archie Very Happy

Mercurial Blood
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:56:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
We sure do lose a lot of fights Sad


Lol dood man what a nub why are u saying ur own alliance fails rofl ur moral must be low or something hahahaha.

--
Merc

Kra Torii
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.07.26 16:56:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
We sure do lose a lot of fights Sad


you

sure

do






I love how all those are HYRA outnumbered Rolling Eyes

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.26 17:01:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: kra torii


I love how all those are HYRA outnumbered Rolling Eyes


are you trying to tell us something?

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.07.26 17:19:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

On an OOC basis I really would hope those who committed this act will return the name UshraKhan to the Minmatar RPers who founded it. Stealing the name of a corporation or alliance is just a sad tactic. At least leave the alliance and give it back to them so they can start over. Nothing is gained on an IC level once you have their assets.

I have long been against tactics like "spying" ingame because there is no real way to prevent them IC. As a roleplayer everything I do ingame is from an IC perspective. Once I suggested "skills" that you could train like "espionage agent" that would allow you to temporarily change your identity an infiltrate a corp. Another set of skills like "corporate intelligence" would allow you to see the evemails and alts of your membership so you could monitor for spies. This at least would put some kind of IG mechanic in place to RP espionage.

Knowing Aralis I 100% believe his comments on page 2 and I do believe he cares especially about the old-timers who certainly don't deserve this. The sad part about big alliances is you can't keep every member happy 100% of the time and as this case has shown it only takes one person to bring everything down.

I do hope the name Ushra'Khan is returned to those who worked so hard to make it mean something. I would also hope that when/if they get that name back they return to more of the RP side of the game that some of us enjoy so much. Someone posted that life in 0.0 causes you to make sacrifices that aren't always what you want. I have to agree thats true.

Several days ago I contacted one of those UK "old-timers" privately and let him know if that doesn't happen there are those in the RP community who will support any new corporation or alliance they form (strictly OOC of course! IC they will all be enslaved! Laughing ). The Amarr-Minmatar RP community is the oldest in Eve and while actions in 0.0 space between some of the members of the community in recent years have brought about some hard feelings I also believe some of the finest Eve citizens live in those two communities. I believe EVE has the best RP community in all of online gaming. The "sandbox" is not dead.

Archie Very Happy



Good post. I believe it's been stated that the intention is to return the alliance to it's original owners once this 'chapter' has run its course.

Kra Torii
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.07.26 17:25:00 - [314]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: kra torii


I love how all those are HYRA outnumbered Rolling Eyes


are you trying to tell us something?


Yeah. I like Pink.

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.26 17:35:00 - [315]
 

Edited by: Garreck on 26/07/2010 17:37:27
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Arguably the entire alliance disband mechanism is flawed game mechanics and plenty of people have been arguing that since way before the Band of Brothers disband. But thats besides the point. Ushra'khan and their allies left CVA space completely alone during the couple of days it took for their disband issue to be resolved and went so far as to threaten to reset and attack anyone who looked likely to profit from the disband.

Will CVA be making a similar gesture here or will they be supporting those who seek to profit from these game mechanics. The decision will say a lot about CVA and their leadership.

But anyways, since you seem like the man with his finger on the pulse what do you say happened here? Fmercury. How did this happen? Why not tell us the story.


We could go 'round and 'round (and I think you and I would actually be in agreement) about the bad state of alliance disbandment mechanics or whatever...

...but I think even you have to see, Jade, that a CVA account getting hacked and Ushra'Khan being socially engineered are two different scenarios.

CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA" set by Ushra'Khan when we got beat down. U'K claimed at that time (and continue to assert) that they never did and never will infiltrate us, but were happy to utilize vent info and tower passwords attained by other means. Likewise...we'll probably not pause in our efforts in Providence just because Hydra apparently pulled off a pretty decent infiltration.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.26 17:53:00 - [316]
 

Originally by: Gladys Pank
Good post. I believe it's been stated that the intention is to return the alliance to it's original owners once this 'chapter' has run its course.



And I believe we're already told you to go **** yourselves ;)

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.07.26 18:07:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Good post. I believe it's been stated that the intention is to return the alliance to it's original owners once this 'chapter' has run its course.



And I believe we're already told you to go **** yourselves ;)


Please don't interrupt. We're having an adult conversation.

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.07.26 18:10:00 - [318]
 

Originally by: Shiroi Okami
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
Originally by: General Windypops


Jesus christ, you think THIS is whining? If you had any idea what alliance chat was like even when nothing bad was happening then you'll know this is about as level headed and chill as U'K gets.


I logged in to see this in corp chat

HOLY WALL OF RAGE AND TEARS



Wow, just, wow. I can't wait to see butter try and salvage that one.

/me gets popcorn


Yeah, Bitterblob, how you gonna answer THAT?!

FOEHAMMER006
Caldari
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:07:00 - [319]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/07/2010 16:23:20
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
ye m8 we're getting completley STOMPED today


Congratulations on winning 1 fight, hopefully that will give you the morale boost you needed. If you join my corp I'll give you a medal.

We'll be seeing you later I assume? Do bring the machariels again Embarassed




That might be a downgrade for him. YARRRR!!

fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:22:00 - [320]
 

Edited by: fmercury on 26/07/2010 19:22:27
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/07/2010 16:23:20
Originally by: Count MonteCarlo
ye m8 we're getting completley STOMPED today


Congratulations on winning 1 fight, hopefully that will give you the morale boost you needed. If you join my corp I'll give you a medal.

We'll be seeing you later I assume? Do bring the machariels again Embarassed




ok, will do

http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7226052

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:47:00 - [321]
 

well done, that crappy gang needed to die. Target painting BC's.... it made me want to weep Embarassed

(it was to counter a rzr gang, why they fought you i have no idea, it was only going to end one way)

Count MonteCarlo
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:48:00 - [322]
 

probably because you guys are terrible

Razzor Death
Gallente
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:59:00 - [323]
 

If everyone sends me 20mill each I will never stop pushing for a Co2 CAOD posting ban.

Will start once I hit 20b


go


Sidephex
Minmatar
I.M.M
Session Changes
Posted - 2010.07.26 20:10:00 - [324]
 

mhm mhm

Mercurial Blood
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.26 20:13:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Razzor Death
If everyone sends me 20mill each I will never stop pushing for a Co2 CAOD posting ban.

Will start once I hit 20b


go




... Razzor, no one really cares that much about Co2's posting.

I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!

--
Merc

Razzor Death
Gallente
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.26 20:18:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Mercurial Blood
... Razzor, no one really cares that much about Co2's posting.

I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!

--
Merc


your so ****ing terrible merc

<3

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.26 21:12:00 - [327]
 

Originally by: Garreck

CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA" set by Ushra'Khan when we got beat down. U'K claimed at that time (and continue to assert) that they never did and never will infiltrate us, but were happy to utilize vent info and tower passwords attained by other means. Likewise...we'll probably not pause in our efforts in Providence just because Hydra apparently pulled off a pretty decent infiltration.


CVA has knowingly benefited from their allies spies ever since the first time U'K held space in Provi years ago. Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.

Where do you draw the line in your double standard of 'metagaming'?

Originally by: Mercurial Blood

I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!



It's Alowishus

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.26 21:50:00 - [328]
 

Originally by: Kazzzi
CVA has knowingly benefited from their allies spies ever since the first time U'K held space in Provi years ago.

Wrong. CVA has reported attempts at spying (offers of vent info, offers of various passwords, the typical stuff) to Ushra'Khan on a dozen occasions over the years. Right up to the point where U'K expressed to us that they felt it was okay to utilize info from spies while helping -A- beat our tails.
Originally by: Kazzzi

Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.

Oh gawd. This again? Really?
Originally by: Kazzzi

Where do you draw the line in your double standard of 'metagaming'?

Two answers to that question, really, so I suppose it kind of is a "double standard" Cool. There's the standard we hold our membership to, and then there's the standard to which we will petition. In our internal affairs, our standard is not to use spies to infiltrate organizations, forums, or comms. In external affairs, we will petition forms of metagaming that violate the EULA (ie account hacking.)

It's really pretty simple.

In this particular case, Aralis apparently had info about what was going down. We were well past the point with U'K where we felt obligated to report as we had in the past, and so Aralis did not report. He didn't say anything to any of us either. He just knew it was gonna happen. As a result, CVA has no plans in place to take advantage of the situation. Which is why continually trying to bring CVA back to the center of this is laughable. Providence is a mess right now...and we're in less of a position to take advantage successfully now as we were to defend successfully months ago.

We press on doing what we've been doing. Where we would have handled this with kid gloves perhaps a year ago (or even blown the whistle on it) for now we press on as we have been doing without much concern for the act of metagaming perpetrated against U'K.

I personally hope for U'K to at least be able to get their name back (I'm soft that way) but my personal hopes probably weigh as much into Hydra's plans as all the carrying on and trolling in this thread does.

Admiral Goberius
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.26 22:17:00 - [329]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
well done, that crappy gang needed to die. Target painting BC's.... it made me want to weep Embarassed

(it was to counter a rzr gang, why they fought you i have no idea, it was only going to end one way)


butters your posting is freaking godawful and this is coming from someone who occasionally appreciates and supports windy and jade posting

random people literally read your posts and think "god I wanna come to provi and push butter's **** in"

stop posting jackass

stop

posting


- Gob

Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.26 22:50:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Valarre
Edited by: Valarre on 25/07/2010 12:36:45
Edited by: Valarre on 25/07/2010 12:36:00
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 25/07/2010 12:18:35
I'm assuming your IQ is below 100, and it's not worth us carrying on this little chat.

The fact is we agreed not to interfere when CVA corps were kicked, and we didn't know it was a hack at the time. We agreed with CVA's assertion that it was a ****ty mechanic.

Not that this really matters, CVA are going to be back in lowsec in a few weeks and we'll be in a new alliance in about 24 hours. They can stoop as low as they like, the end result will be the same.




It's a common thing for unintelligent people to insult others during a disagreement when they realize they have no logic, or fact backing them. It's a defense mechanizism that springs into action going from the topic at hand to their adversary to try to discredit them by making false accusations about their IQ, and other aspects of a person that they don't even know. My IQ may be below 100(maybe not), however your IQ is lower than mine. At least 30 points lower than mine, which puts you on par with Forrest Gump. :)


Yes, but all you've done is made a biased assumption that is baseless in fact and only meant to cast aspersions to suit your agenda. I realize this is the essence of CAOD, itself, but it certainly doesn't put you in any more favorable of a light than that which you accuse Bit...err...Butter Dog of doing.



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