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Durararagi
Posted - 2010.07.21 20:52:00 - [1]
 

I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.

So what should I do in the mean time?

Namdor
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.07.21 20:55:00 - [2]
 

Quote:
So what should I do in the mean time?


Post whiny, grossly exaggerated troll threads on the forums.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.07.21 21:07:00 - [3]
 

No. If you can't "really play the game" right now, another 45M SP under your belt won't help you much.

Region watcher1
Posted - 2010.07.21 21:36:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Durararagi
So what should I do in the mean time?


Pod yourself Laughing

Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
Posted - 2010.07.21 22:11:00 - [5]
 

get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

Cat IntheBox
Posted - 2010.07.21 23:26:00 - [6]
 

spend ~$200 and buy a decent character and play now.

Durararagi
Posted - 2010.07.22 01:25:00 - [7]
 

Well, I've podded myself plenty with help of the nice folks living in curse and great wildlands.

Still, I get the sense that battlecruisers are the sort of things you fly to have fun and there'd be no tears even if I kill those oppressors. It seems like the best way to "beat" them is to dock up when something shows up on local and save them from a "good fight" that they can farm a kill mail out of. That is just meh.

Aralieus
Amarr
Shadowbane Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.22 01:57:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Region watcher1
Originally by: Durararagi
So what should I do in the mean time?


Pod yourself Laughing


repeatedly Twisted Evil

Misanthra
Posted - 2010.07.22 04:03:00 - [9]
 

titan ratting ain't all that bro....you need fleets to provide support and first sign of an afk cloaky has you hiding real quick. Titan's jumped solo...even if you get away...someone in corp/alliance gonna bust your balls hardcore lol. So you end up splitting bounties anyway lol



Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.22 07:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Durararagi
Well, I've podded myself plenty with help of the nice folks living in curse and great wildlands.

Still, I get the sense that battlecruisers are the sort of things you fly to have fun and there'd be no tears even if I kill those oppressors. It seems like the best way to "beat" them is to dock up when something shows up on local and save them from a "good fight" that they can farm a kill mail out of. That is just meh.


With that attitude you're going to suck in 750 days as well. You'll just suck with more expensive ships.

Cade Windstalker
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.22 17:03:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Misanthra
titan ratting ain't all that bro....you need fleets to provide support and first sign of an afk cloaky has you hiding real quick. Titan's jumped solo...even if you get away...someone in corp/alliance gonna bust your balls hardcore lol. So you end up splitting bounties anyway lol



To quote like fifty people I've talked too in-game and myself every time I've told someone this. Cap ships spend 99% of their time sitting around doing nothing until they're needed for a fleet op of some sort. A cap ship by itself is like a tank in a real war without infantry support: scrap metal that doesn't know what it is yet.

You can "play this game" at pretty much any amount of skill points. It's just that what you're doing changes. If you think about things realistically it'll take you about a year to get into a decent raiding guild in WoW and longer than that to make it to their A-list. Same for Eve it's just up front about it.

CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.07.22 18:38:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cade Windstalker
Originally by: Misanthra
titan ratting ain't all that bro....you need fleets to provide support and first sign of an afk cloaky has you hiding real quick. Titan's jumped solo...even if you get away...someone in corp/alliance gonna bust your balls hardcore lol. So you end up splitting bounties anyway lol



To quote like fifty people I've talked too in-game and myself every time I've told someone this. Cap ships spend 99% of their time sitting around doing nothing until they're needed for a fleet op of some sort. A cap ship by itself is like a tank in a real war without infantry support: scrap metal that doesn't know what it is yet.

You can "play this game" at pretty much any amount of skill points. It's just that what you're doing changes. If you think about things realistically it'll take you about a year to get into a decent raiding guild in WoW and longer than that to make it to their A-list. Same for Eve it's just up front about it.


It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.07.22 18:50:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 22/07/2010 18:50:28
Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.
"A", yes. "Decent", no. Same was as many narrow-minded crops in EVE work.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2010.07.23 10:44:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 23/07/2010 10:45:04

Originally by: Durararagi
I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.

So what should I do in the mean time?


I fully agree with you!! I have the same problem too! I have been playing for 5 years now and I still cant compete with Dr. Caymus and the rest of the ilk who has me beaten! Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadI try and try and try! But when I have earned 85 million SP Caymus got 155 million! And when i get 100 million he will have 170 million! Its unfair! I simply cant compete with them! So I hope CCP will do something about it so I can claim his position! Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

What you can do while you waiting? Ship hangar spinning is a good pastime activity I have heard.


ugh


Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2010.07.23 11:26:00 - [15]
 

Oh god another one. At least you seem to have some sense, as oppposed to Mr 19 years a few threads down the page.

EVE takes alot of time input, yes. If you want instant gratification, get a hooker or something. My mother works most evenings in the London area.

Scyyy
Posted - 2010.07.23 21:42:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE

It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.
Not even close, It's actually pretty hard to get into the good wow raiding guilds and you need to have complete understanding of the ins and out of your class. Sure you can get into a crappy one right off the bat but don't expect to actually down anything. I really don't care for wow anymore but the blatant misrepresentation of the game is pretty ridiculous.

Danika Drake
Posted - 2010.07.23 23:14:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Scyyy
Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE

It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.
Not even close, It's actually pretty hard to get into the good wow raiding guilds and you need to have complete understanding of the ins and out of your class. Sure you can get into a crappy one right off the bat but don't expect to actually down anything. I really don't care for wow anymore but the blatant misrepresentation of the game is pretty ridiculous.

...Unpopular as it might be, i've got to agree there. I've played EVE and WoW for years concurrently and WoW is actually much more difficult to play at the highest level both in terms of cooperation, coordination, and time input.

Not saying that I enjoy WoW more, (in-fact I quit before the last expansion) because I don't, but just about anyone who's actually experienced high-end pve and pvp content in WoW will tell you EVE is instant-gratifictaion-easy-lol by comparison. Skilling and ISK are the only time sinks and since accounts can be sold and isk purchased legally via plex... yeah.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.07.24 08:36:00 - [18]
 

Except in high end EvE play you can loose tens of billions of ISK and years of work.
In high end WoW gameplay you loose 15 minutes.

TOTALLY comparable.

Scyyy
Posted - 2010.07.24 09:38:00 - [19]
 

Amount of loss doesn't equate to it being harder. High end wow raiding requires far more coordination and strategy between the players to be successful. As I said I really don't care for WoW anymore, but seeing people judging it without actually understanding its end game and saying you can get the best gear in a month and all of that crap is just ignorant. Just like eve there are the carebear casuals (which everyone seems to think are the only people who play WoW) and there are the hardcore raiding players who theorycraft just as much as eve players and put just as much thought into their game as people do in eve.

Viral Effect
Caldari
BRAINDEAD Corp
Posted - 2010.07.24 10:58:00 - [20]
 

Play another game Eve Online isn't for you. All threads like this one should be locked.

Svarty II
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.24 15:10:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Svarty II on 24/07/2010 15:10:53
Originally by: Viral Effect
Play another game Eve Online isn't for you. All threads like this one should be locked.


That's a good deal, and I am taking you up on it. I just wanted to remind you, before I go, that CCP need new players to replace the older players, like you, who die IRL. So in order to do this they need to make them want continue and not look at the huge mountain of skills (which they require to be on a par with other players) and despair. One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.

Bye bye.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.07.24 16:06:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Svarty II
…look at the huge mountain of skills (which they require to be on a par with other players)…
Incorrect.
Quote:
One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.
Even more incorrect.

Svarty II
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.24 18:25:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Incorrect.

Quote:
Even more incorrect.


This entire community appears to be in denial. Too bad.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.07.24 18:56:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 24/07/2010 19:00:53
Originally by: Svarty II
This entire community appears to be in denial. Too bad.
No. The entire community understands what skills and SP can and cannot do; new players don't, and your comments exemplify this perfectly.

You don't need a mountain of skills to be "on par" with others, because on-par-ness is a largely irrelevant in a paper-scissors-rock balance environment.

The T3 ships is a further example of this: they are probably the least demanding omgzpowereful ships the game has to offer in terms of skill requirements.

What is needed isn't a change in the skilling mechanics — it's an education effort to teach new players that their preconceptions about how it all works are totally inaccurate.

Deckington Forgecaster
Posted - 2010.07.24 18:58:00 - [25]
 

May I please have all your items?

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.07.25 16:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Durararagi
I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.

So what should I do in the mean time?


I can kinda see what the OP is saying - that as time goes on the average player sp count goes up and this is a bigger hurdle for a newbie to climb. Average age of a character was about 8months before they quit iirc (Theres a dev blog somewhere). I will agree learning skills are offputting for a new player.

Or you could think outside the box. Make newbie friends and group run missions, or go on lowsec/null roams and kill these 100m/hr players for their juicy loots. Your clones as a newbie are cheap, so u can afford to be podded in your rifter/kestrel blob, and still come out ahead in fun, and isk if you kill something bigger. Remember fun > isk.

Durararagi
Posted - 2010.07.26 02:36:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Durararagi on 26/07/2010 02:39:10
Well, this is more an attempt to prod easy tricks to make 100m/hr, but i guess most people aren't making that either. (like, if you knew to train a tengu, you'd be making 100m/hr in 6 month lololz sort of posts)

Lack of sp is a real barrier to doing anything outside than disposable fit pvp and highsec carebearing. My old corp of around one year old chars tried to move to null, but realistically they couldn't do much there. Most are characters with less than optimized skills that can't make over 20m/hr and none of them could survive without prealignment or megablobz upon meeting a lololz nanogang in anything they fly. Even setting up a highsec tower is a very difficult whole corp event due to general poverty, and it is not due to lack of hours spent.

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.07.26 03:35:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Durararagi
Edited by: Durararagi on 26/07/2010 02:39:10
Most are characters with less than optimized skills that can't make over 20m/hr and none of them could survive without prealignment or megablobz upon meeting a lololz nanogang in anything they fly.

a) Why do you need to make 20m/hr?
b) You don't have to go to Nullsec to have fun. Stop equating money and fun.

I'm tempted to start a new alt and hit lowsec from day 1 and make him/her self sufficient.
You know what more SP/money brings you? The same issues as in RL. You're scared to lose it (money) and you get too many (expensive) options to fly. Start early and start cheap. Best way to learn and have fun.

-G

SurrenderMonkey
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Svarty II
One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.

Bye bye.


Lolwhat? It's actually faster and easier to get into a T3 ship than a T2 cruiser. That aside, though, you seem to be under the impression that T3 obsoletes T1 and T2. That isn't how it works.

Evia Telmek
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:50:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Originally by: Svarty II
One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.

Bye bye.


Lolwhat? It's actually faster and easier to get into a T3 ship than a T2 cruiser.


This. My 6-month old alt flies a tengu.


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