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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.08.25 11:03:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Jove X
I'd love to see a CCP employee with a standing of 8 with the Guristas or Serpentis.


Well, Cartel here (9.0+). Same principle applies though, even if you're running out of Serpentis Prime or some other horrible clusterf...

Step 1: Grab a Tech III. Tengu is arguably the best for this job.
Step 2: Fit MWD/Impro Cloak + Interdiction Nullifier
Step 3: Learn how to evade camps using MWD/Improved Cloak. Get it down to an art form, so that when you jump into that gatecamp from hell, you can keep it together.
Step 4: Pray to your God that you never land <3,000m from something else in a gatecamp. This is, in fact, the only real risk.
Step 5: Profit!

Other points...

Escape gatecamps: Use MWD/Impro cloak trick to turn 0.0 into the equivalent of lowsec. The only difference - when it comes to gate camping - between 0.0 and lowsec is that bubbles work in one, and not in the other. Interdiction nullifiers change this, and effectively turn 0.0 into lowsec. Ergo: You don't need to fit that Covert reconfiguration that horribly gimps your DPS (and consequently your mission-running capabilities). Just fit an I.N and pretend you're in Ammamake, not Serp Prime.

Avoid station camps: Instantly undock with an off-station bookmark. For added safety, at the cost of added logistics, fleet up with a second character and have them get the missions. I'm guessing this is what I'd want to do at Serpentis Prime, rather than undocking my 3b ISK Tengu in front of a hungry fleet. A second character also adds to your safety in that you can cloak one of them outside the station, and have them insta-warp your other mission-grabbing character out, quite a few seconds before you can actually control that character's client and tell them yourself to warp to the "undock" bookmark. It also helps to have a sacrificial lamb you can jump into systems you suspect are being camped.

Avoid mission disruption: Make your Tech III impossible to probe down. Don't launch drones. Kill target painting NPCs first. Usual drill here. If you fit faction modules in the right places, you can squeeze on the required ECCM/Backup Array configuration of your choice.

Add it all together and you can travel where you want, dock/undock at any station you want, and run missions for the pirate faction of your choice with almost complete impunity. It may be slower than taking a Maurauder in there, but it's of course, an order of magnitude more safe, and to me at least, far more interesting.

NinjaPvE best PvE.

P.S. On a technicality...getting Guristas faction would have become much less difficult since the advent of the pirate faction arcs.


A: I thought only cov ops and recons where able to do the mwd/cloak trick nowadays? Afaik normal ships suffer from the cloak and mwd cycle gets cut effectively slowing you down to omghe'ssoclosepleasedon'tge*boom*.

B: You've just given a prime example why I hate multiple accounts so much. What ever happened to teamwork...or MMO in general. Turned into Multiple Me's Online?'No I don't stationcamp or pirate so no it doesn't affect me. Just in general feeling.

C: Boost drones since they are quite possibly the best Pve weapon Gallente's have since rails suck and blasters suck for Pve too? Yes indeed Caldari is the best choice for Pve.

Conclusion; You're not supposed to be able to run missions/plexes/whatever with impunity. It's lawless space for a reason. Not high sec...

Other than that, thanks for the tips. Perhaps i might even be able to make profit off of it one day...

What I'd also like to know; Are there any former devs etc. that quit CCP but are still playing?

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.08.25 11:50:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale

....., or hell, you're listening to someone complaining about a feature while thinking "yes, that's dumb, we're going to fix it as soon as we have time" (or, even worse, "yes, I fixed that last week but it won't be deployed until next patch"). ......


I'm also hoping the above made boost drones is firing up some cilinders in Greyscale's/ whomever's head. Isn't it a stupid mechanic that drones (as small as pinheads compared to say a BS) result in you getting probed instantly, while any other PvE ship not relying on drones for dps can run without getting probed on his weapons? Never been probed that way but still i find it awkward.

DJB16
Gallente
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.08.25 14:17:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Issaries Valran
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Thoraxe Rig
Do you guys have to pay for your EvE account, or do you guys get like 1 freely subscribed account for as long as you are a CCP employee?
We get up to 3 free accounts, have to subscribe beyond that.


Is this CCP's way of implying that you need at least 3 accounts to play EvE properly?




no it means they have 2 accounts of *normal chars* given and 1 account for *DEV char/s* they have to keep the dev chars away from there normal char as some corps demad u take a screenshot of ur login screen
also the devhacks i think are limited to the account aswell as the dev client


just guessing here but is that line of thought of mine right?

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.25 14:59:00 - [244]
 

Man I felt super smart for a second like I uncovered a huge conspiracy and started racking together quotes from all the CCP guys about them being carebears only to notice everyone else noticed. Sad

Guess it makes sense that pirates are getting so badly hammered. No matter though, I'm moving into high sec to gank the hell outta you. Nerf whatever you want, I'll find a way to kill you! If it takes me a thousand EVE years I will find a way!

Rocko MonkeyBone
The Darkness Within
Death Rhubarb
Posted - 2010.08.25 15:52:00 - [245]
 

Edited by: Rocko MonkeyBone on 25/08/2010 16:08:47
Originally by: GM Spiral
Been playing since 2004, still am.

Tried many things; piracy, nullsec gruntwork, mission farming, building things and selling them. Currently mostly focused on maintaining a steady production of stuff to keep my wallets full so I can continue losing ships to running into gatecamps while not paying attention. Neutral

Been a purebred blaster ship pilot since day one. Can fly other races but never actually do. Razz


orly...if I could find the mails of your lol fits.. and was allowed to post...the lolcano would errupt!

Also...do you guys ever smack...come on.. seriously...by all the replies you've made...not 1 of you actually comes across as a pvper...more of a...weekend warrior...of the veld.

So..come on...smack it up a bit, no metion of pwnings each other or raping nubs...its all.. "I lick windows and veld"

damn you CCP!!! SHOUT!

Where is Ouver when you need him =/

Feydlynn
Posted - 2010.10.01 11:21:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: GM Zhainius
I've been playing since 2003, and have 5 active accounts.

I've done alliance life, piracy, etc.

Currently I mostly play the market, and run missions, with the occasional wormhole excursion thrown in.

Also, Amarr ftw!


Down with amarr!!!
Minmatar all the way!

Xorth Adimus
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.12.14 12:17:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Xorth Adimus on 14/12/2010 12:18:40
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Jove X
I'd love to see a CCP employee with a standing of 8 with the Guristas or Serpentis.


Avoid mission disruption: Make your Tech III impossible to probe down. Don't launch drones. Kill target painting NPCs first. Usual drill here. If you fit faction modules in the right places, you can squeeze on the required ECCM/Backup Array configuration of your choice.

Add it all together and you can travel where you want, dock/undock at any station you want, and run missions for the pirate faction of your choice with almost complete impunity. It may be slower than taking a Maurauder in there, but it's of course, an order of magnitude more safe, and to me at least, far more intresting.

NinjaPvE best PvE.

Quote:


Using ECCM to avoid being scanned down indefinatly with 100% certainty is an exploit.

Don't believe me.. ok how about infinate effect on modules then?
Hardners 99.9999% resistant.. fit damage mods to reach that same infinate value and also fit nanofibres and multiple MWDs to reach these infinate levels. Yeap we all know what the answer is to that. Sure, if you want ~4 ECCMs could make you hard to probe down but not 100% impossible, make it random (like ECM) I don't care.

This is on a large scale an open long standing stacking exploit, exploited by isk bots and also greifers who use this for their benefit with no risk of being caught at 100km + in un-probable snipe spots in battleships.

As soon as you make PVP impossible you open up the game to exploiters, do some simple balancing to give the game back to the PVPers so we can kill these guys for you, instead of using your time to exploit game mechanics you know are broken.

Naxias
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2010.12.14 16:37:00 - [248]
 

A fun thread. Thanks. So I'm really curious: Any of you CCP pvpers ever kill me in a small-scale engagement? I've lost more than 500 ships so there are some pretty good odds that any given pvper in the game has killed me. I hope I gave a good fight.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.12.14 17:59:00 - [249]
 

glad to see CCP plays,
if someone discovers your a dev can you get your name changed to hide yourself? or is it a office wide haha you get messaged every 20 seconds.

Starlight Twilight
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.14 18:03:00 - [250]
 

someone should load up the old beta on the test server for a week so players can see how the game was originally played!

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.14 18:27:00 - [251]
 

So if you're 0.0 alliances doesn't that sort of give you a bias and influence game mods in the myriad of "grey areas" of rule interpretation?

Even if you don't overtly apply pressure to a co-worker social dynamics would have them giving you and your corp the benefit of the doubt out of "professional courtesy" etc ... just knowing that coworkers were in a corp filing a sov or lag related petition might be enough.

2)

Do you have a team of you that try out Bot programs on tranquilty and play hide and seek with other Developer players in your spare time.

I think tha would be a good idea to have more to share with the teams that have bot-prevention as a official job.

Mamba Lev
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.14 18:53:00 - [252]
 

Yes they play EVE, it's a lot easier when you cheat.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2010.12.14 18:55:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Mamba Lev
Yes they play EVE, it's a lot easier when you cheat.


How do you know they cheat?

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.12.14 19:49:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Naxias
A fun thread. Thanks. So I'm really curious: Any of you CCP pvpers ever kill me in a small-scale engagement? I've lost more than 500 ships so there are some pretty good odds that any given pvper in the game has killed me. I hope I gave a good fight.


I found one of you... but I was in a fairly large fleet at the time... Don't think you had a chance in that one but that's how life goes when you jump through a gate.

And yes, some of us actually PVP... but like many vets take some breaks now and again. I've recently gotten back into PVP and am considering losing some sec status to go play on gates for a while too :)

Great thread... I need more lunch time PVP budies :)

Hroya
Posted - 2010.12.14 21:16:00 - [255]
 

I know you play, i dont really care how you play it.

If you didnt play it the company would have been called EA and had closed the game long ago leaving a great community hanging out to dry.

Have fun, screw up, blow up, lead or follow. Just enjoy what you do in the game as everyone should.


Naxias
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2010.12.14 21:45:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: Naxias
A fun thread. Thanks. So I'm really curious: Any of you CCP pvpers ever kill me in a small-scale engagement? I've lost more than 500 ships so there are some pretty good odds that any given pvper in the game has killed me. I hope I gave a good fight.


I found one of you... but I was in a fairly large fleet at the time... Don't think you had a chance in that one but that's how life goes when you jump through a gate.

And yes, some of us actually PVP... but like many vets take some breaks now and again. I've recently gotten back into PVP and am considering losing some sec status to go play on gates for a while too :)

Great thread... I need more lunch time PVP budies :)


I had the privilege once of playing one of my all-time favorite strategy games -- Dominions -- against one of the game creators. I was not very good at the game but, curiously, neither was he. I bet that is true of many highly complex games where the creative aspect diverges from the skills to manage the complexity.

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.12.14 22:49:00 - [257]
 

I now find myself wondering if I've ever podded a CCP staffer. Twisted Evil

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.12.14 23:24:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Religiously.


Every easter and christmas then? Razz

I know it's a comment from 5 months ago but I can't help myself.

Rian Fothe
Posted - 2010.12.14 23:35:00 - [259]
 

Seriously, was it Torfi or Hilmar who mass mailed everyone at CCP to come post here?

Zippydaspinhead
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:09:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Hroya
I know you play, i dont really care how you play it.

If you didnt play it the company would have been called EA and had closed the game long ago leaving a great community hanging out to dry.

Have fun, screw up, blow up, lead or follow. Just enjoy what you do in the game as everyone should.




^This. Seriously though I'm glad to know that a bunch of you play. Question for curiousity's sake, how many of you play from CCP's Georgia site? (yes I'm American)

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.17 13:54:00 - [261]
 

Me and my friend stumbled upon EVE Online in autumn 2006, and I never stopped playing since (apart from a few minor burnouts, but at least, technically speaking, I never stopped training skills Very Happy ). I spent most of my EVE career in various 0.0 alliances (most of which have spectacularly failcascaded since), and also dabbled in science and industry, pirate missions, mining *ahem* and other stuff. Probably the only thing I never did seriously was wormhole exploration, which I regret to this day.

Right now, between work and family, I don’t have much time to play, although I try to engage in FW on a more or less regular basis.

rodensteiner
Amarr
OMGROFLSTOMP
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:35:00 - [262]
 

Great to see a strong response from CCP Very Happy

What boggles the mind, however, is the sheer volume of whining, complaining, and general immaturity posted up by some of the playerbase here. The OP specifically stated not to derail this thread and turn it into a CCP bashing thread. That, of course, didn't happen.

Why do so many CCP employees seem to be carebears? I'd imagine one reason is that, unlike a surprising amount of EVE players, CCP employees have a job that, I'm sure, requires a lot of time. I also assume that many of them have families with whom they like to spend time with.

It is also incredible how many people accuse CCP Employees of being a mass of cheaters and do nothing but use their game knowledge to gain unfair advantages. Are there really that few honest people left in this world that those are the first conclusions that are jumped to?

And no, I'm not mad, bro. And you can't have my stuff, I'm not leaving EVE.

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:44:00 - [263]
 

do you guys get your accounts for free? surely?

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.17 19:19:00 - [264]
 

Edited by: Cyaxares II on 17/12/2010 19:28:35
Originally by: rodensteiner
It is also incredible how many people accuse CCP Employees of being a mass of cheaters and do nothing but use their game knowledge to gain unfair advantages. Are there really that few honest people left in this world that those are the first conclusions that are jumped to?

it's a cultural thing and not limited to mistrust against devs but applies to GMs (and Aurora members), too - some of the old live events were extremely prone to favoritism (e.g. Lotka Volterra getting inside info prior to an event helping them to win a mothership) and gave some corps massive advantages (e.g. TTI's jovian mining laser/Miner II BPO); the T20 debacle and CCP's "unfortunate" reaction to it (see the "Fansite link censored but not KBs." topic) is just the most remembered and most glaring of a numerous cases of favoritism.

CCP also has the problem that the usual silence from "internal affairs" can either mean everything is fine, that CCP doesn't care to inform the community when cases of devs misbehaving are found or that this department just exists pro-forma and isn't doing its job at all. (my guess would be that IA only exists to investigate player concerns/suspicions but does not act on its own)
As long as a dev doesn't use his CCP-sponsored accounts for misbehavior and sticks to passing on/making use of inside-information it shouldn't be possible to track him down.

The fact that many devs have been EVE players before getting hired by CCP does of course lend credibility to conspiracy theories as well - who knows if all devs did really cut all social connections they made in this game after getting hired? who knows if they really don't have any feelings of allegiance to the their old alliances? ...

=> there have been numerous cases of dev/GM misconduct in the past and CCP can't really do much to change the perception these incidents have left (IA crucifying a dev every other week might do the trick but silence will always be interpreted as "IA looks the other way because they don't want to generate negative press").

edit: if IA doesn't just react but does proactive regular audits of dev accounts I'd love to hear some details about the methodology used. Might give us some ideas how to improve MD audits and the security vetting of corp members/alliance leadership.

Oneiros IV
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.12.27 05:26:00 - [265]
 

Edited by: Oneiros IV on 27/12/2010 05:34:25
Glad to see so many CCP posts here but most of them just prove my theory that devs always see the game through a different prism rather than players. I mean look from a player's perspective at "I do an alliance warfare and some empire ice mining herp derp cool game". I mean one can hardly have an interesting/challenging game after knowing all of the inside mechanisms so most of these post just show minimal care about CCP's play accounts and if one doesn't care much one can do anything. Ice mining? who cares.

For a player it's vastly different as players (I mean those that matter at least single bit) are driven by in-game goals and seek to reach them in effective way. Where developer sees cool™ diversity player sees fail proteus and win tengu. Where dev may see an ice mining as actual game activity player sees something reserved only for bots and those who mistook such occupation for something else. Simple as that.

Judgement that comes from large design picture will always be vastly different from one that comes from practical application.

P.S. Gotta give greyscale a credit for probably most and only player-like post here.

Jamie Banks
Quantum Horizons
Posted - 2010.12.27 08:30:00 - [266]
 

Nice replies, really helps to know that you guys still enjoy the game as much as us.

[Tinfoil]

What I found really interesting is not the replies, but the lack of replies from a certain few who would normally chime in.

[/Tinfoil]


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