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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.16 21:55:00 - [181]
 

Here's an observation to all you dirty forum troll *****s:

When a player posts a fit that does not make the maximum ISK per hour they are called stupid and flamed.

Everyone who has done this to players but failed to do it to the devs (they all just admitted they dont min/max fits for ISK) is a total fanboi.

Christ that felt good to say.

Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.07.16 22:10:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Bacchanalian on 16/07/2010 22:10:45
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Nice to read all these dev and mod replies :-) Almost all the walks of life are represented. Except for ... ... scamming and corp theft Cool Are the CCP posters staying clear of this?
As a part of our internal rules then CCP staff is not to engage in grief play of any kind and stay firmly away from any 'gray areas' in their game play.


While I understand why (particularly after the T20 era), I still find that disappointing. It's a large part of the game that often goes unnoticed. It gets stealth buffs every so often (PLEX dropping from wrecks now makes a nice bonus for suicide ganking), but more often feels like it's getting nerfs (see also CONCORD buff). I wonder how much of that is due to the fact that CCP doesn't get to experience the joy that is ruining someone else's day in EVE and watching your inbox fill up with epic ragemails. Maybe I'm just a bad person, but that aspect is one of the couple that make EVE the unique game that it is and has kept me subbed since the day this character was created in 2006.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.07.16 22:17:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Ran Khanon
Nice to read all these dev and mod replies :-)

Almost all the walks of life are represented. Except for ...

... scamming and corp theft Cool

Are the CCP posters staying clear of this?

Me likes to know :)



There was a CCP Dev that made a fortune scamming with motherships sales, exploiting a hole in supercaps selling mechanics (well, the fact that non exists, Chribba's current fortune is kinda a side effect of his antics). He was also the genius that suggested nano Naglfar were a functional way to tackle Titan before HIC existed. After there was a strong suspicion he sold an alliance tournament in exchange for a mothership (true one that time) for himself he eventually had to leave the company, as that was starting to look really bad.

I guess that's why CCP employees can't even use the trade window with a Stabber called "Vagabond".

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.07.16 22:27:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear

P.S. On a technicality...getting Guristas faction would have become much less difficult since the advent of the pirate faction arcs.


You mean they got ninja fixed? The second agent in the arc wouldn't talk to me. Hum... It seems that they were... Cool

Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.07.17 13:46:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
One of the reasons I came to CCP was because Fallout threatened me with bodily harm if I didn't, er I mean because I love playing the game Laughing.


RL threat -> ban? ^^

Daniel Cordova
Posted - 2010.07.17 14:18:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian
Edited by: Bacchanalian on 16/07/2010 22:10:45
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Nice to read all these dev and mod replies :-) Almost all the walks of life are represented. Except for ... ... scamming and corp theft Cool Are the CCP posters staying clear of this?
As a part of our internal rules then CCP staff is not to engage in grief play of any kind and stay firmly away from any 'gray areas' in their game play.


While I understand why (particularly after the T20 era), I still find that disappointing. It's a large part of the game that often goes unnoticed. It gets stealth buffs every so often (PLEX dropping from wrecks now makes a nice bonus for suicide ganking), but more often feels like it's getting nerfs (see also CONCORD buff). I wonder how much of that is due to the fact that CCP doesn't get to experience the joy that is ruining someone else's day in EVE and watching your inbox fill up with epic ragemails. Maybe I'm just a bad person, but that aspect is one of the couple that make EVE the unique game that it is and has kept me subbed since the day this character was created in 2006.

Instead of asking CCP to buff grief play so you can derive satisfaction from ruining other people's game experience may I suggest a therapist?


Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2010.07.17 14:18:00 - [187]
 

Thanks guys - it's genuinely refreshing to see the human face of an organisation that has become worryingly monolithic of late.

My faith in the future of the nuts and bolts of Eve has been restored just a little.

Sometimes the biggest PR wins come from the simplest things and cost nothing more than a little time and truthfulness.

For the first time in ages, I feel a sense of kinship with CCP like I used to have - thanks.

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2010.07.17 14:54:00 - [188]
 

hi,

Officially best thread since "Ask us your questions and we will answer"

good timing too Razz


Jim Pooley
The Jeremy Kyle Holding Pen
Posted - 2010.07.17 15:00:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Entity
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Nah, I don't play EVE at all.
Oh drat, I'm not a dev. Ignore me! Embarassed
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This is quite amusing, as you actually ARE, yet now I say it noone will believe it.

Reverse psychology, best psychology.

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.07.18 10:58:00 - [190]
 

Everyone has their own opinion of "Really Playing" EVE. But I like to PVP, so I try to sneak on one a week and blow stuff up. I have an alt in 3 corps and try to log in to lose a ship when someone has an op planned.

Also, a few weeks back the entire Ops team did lose a bunch of T2 ships on a quicky lunchtime roam :) My poor Vaga never had a chance!!

Hugs and Kisses
CCP Yokai

P.S.

Been playing since 2004... had 6 accounts at one point... Saving lots of money now that I work at CCP... and my top toon is somehere just shy of 100Mil SP.

Dragon Greg
Posted - 2010.07.18 15:16:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Dragon Greg on 18/07/2010 15:19:13
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Everyone has their own opinion of "Really Playing" EVE. But I like to PVP, so I try to sneak on one a week and blow stuff up. I have an alt in 3 corps and try to log in to lose a ship when someone has an op planned.

Also, a few weeks back the entire Ops team did lose a bunch of T2 ships on a quicky lunchtime roam :) My poor Vaga never had a chance!!

Hugs and Kisses
CCP Yokai

P.S.

Been playing since 2004... had 6 accounts at one point... Saving lots of money now that I work at CCP... and my top toon is somehere just shy of 100Mil SP.


I'm curious, to what extent or degree do the decision makers play EVE, people like Helmar, Nathan, the levels of Torfi, Zulupark, the business development and administrative or strategic research staff, etc. I mean, EVE is a type of product that requires to live and breathe the very values that are so unique to and applicable to both product and company. I cannot imagine people not making time, or thinking of ways to structurally maintain both emotional links and immersion with the products, because EVE (and anything CCP builds really) is an immersive product. It's not a can of soup. I could understand the boss not walking over the robotic assembly line, but in order to make decisions for commercial scoping of an immersive product, he needs both the externalised, business and internalised viewpoints to consider.

CCP Incognito

Posted - 2010.07.19 09:07:00 - [192]
 

Been playing since Beta, one of the reasons I sought out this job was that I love what EvE is and what it can become!

Steakkbone
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.19 09:57:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
I've been playing EVE since before boot.ini.



Me too, and I'm still waiting for my compensation!

CCP Xhagen

Posted - 2010.07.19 15:32:00 - [194]
 

I play and have been doing so since late Beta.

When I was working as a GM I took great care of trying every single play style out there and I've been trying to maintain that attitude even after I moved over to the CSM.

The last few months I've not had as much time to play as I would have liked so I'm down to missions and manufacturing only with the odd looking-for-trouble in lowsec.

Gin Tiang
Posted - 2010.07.20 10:56:00 - [195]
 

Can I hust say, What a brilliant topic. It's really nice to see that CCP employees are playing the game they design and admin.

Thanks to the OP for the topic. It's made it happy.

One thing though. I didn't see CCP Guard..... Too busy with his ban hammer?

Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.20 12:23:00 - [196]
 

I never doubted CCP played eve... But Dropbear just went up by two notches in my book after his post. That's pr0 gaming for you!
And he was quite high already due to the hints about Sleeper lore :P

Criegor
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2010.07.20 18:40:00 - [197]
 

CCP really think they are fooling people Laughing

Norahb
Posted - 2010.07.21 15:23:00 - [198]
 

I am replying having only read the Dev comments just as a disclaimer. Usually in development of anything the people that are heavily involved tend to overlook shortcomings. For example if you really wanted to make this game better you would need to get people that have never played it before and spend the first couple weeks watching them playing and recording comments and such. The more that you play the game the more that you get used to it. I can tell you that when I first played this game I had a million ideas as to how to make it better and slowly over time I just got used to it and can't even remember most of them.

Traitorous Scum
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.07.21 16:24:00 - [199]
 

Reading through all these posts from GM's and CCP folks and it sure does look like 99% sit in Highsec...

Guess 0.0 got boring for them or something.

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2010.07.21 16:59:00 - [200]
 

Can you blame them? They want to be able to play just like the rest of us and staring at a black screen isn't as fun as advertised.

Pennwisedom
Gallente
Sublime.
Posted - 2010.07.21 17:51:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Traitorous scum
Reading through all these posts from GM's and CCP folks and it sure does look like 99% sit in Highsec...

Guess 0.0 got boring for them or something.


If you really don't understand why Devs mainly stay away from the overly political aspects of the game just look up the incident that shall not be named.

eliminator2
Gallente
Vindicated Blast.
Posted - 2010.07.21 17:56:00 - [202]
 

im really worried that ccp has started piratin then ended up becoming a carebear really really worried

Ghaylenty
Posted - 2010.07.21 19:01:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Pennwisedom
Originally by: Traitorous scum
Reading through all these posts from GM's and CCP folks and it sure does look like 99% sit in Highsec...

Guess 0.0 got boring for them or something.


If you really don't understand why Devs mainly stay away from the overly political aspects of the game just look up the incident that shall not be named.


bull caca. they stay away from the political aspects because the system theyve designed has evolved into something stupid, and they know it. the t20 incident while principally wrong was VERY minor. here is a list of the t2 bpo's obtained (and then raffled off)

* Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint
* Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint
* Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint
* Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint
* Spike L Blueprint
* Sabre Blueprint

not exactly game breaking like people made it out to be.

Germinus
Caldari
Finnish Space Jews
Posted - 2010.07.22 04:42:00 - [204]
 

It's been fun reading this thread, too bad it's holiday season.
I'd like to know if Helmar plays, or have you been succcesful in getting Dr.EyjoG to fly spaceships already.
CCP t0rfifrans likes to shoot people in face, that's a known fact (too bad he magically deleted his corpse from TQ Wink ).

And for last, where is CCP StevieSG? I want to ... ransom her badly.

Mist3r Evil
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.07.30 14:30:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Jack Dant
As a "low sec denizen" I want to make it clear that you don't speak for me
where did i say i spoke for you again ? learn 2 read
Originally by: Jack Dant
Further, you are in position to declare what is or is not an exploit.
i think you meant that i am NOT in a position to declare anything an exploit. Learn to post
Originally by: Jack Dant
MWD+cloak trick has been around for ages, it's been widely documented
so, because the moon goo debacle was in the game for over a year and half, it should've just stayed in the game ? also, please point me to any (offical CCP) documentation while you are at it.
Originally by: Jack Dant
and the one time it was nerfed it was recognized as a bug and re-enabled in a few days
that was actually when they introduced a 30 second timer on reactivating the cloaking device, not directly nerfing the MWD/cloak trick, but almost completely rendering the cov-ops cloak un-useable, IIRC.
Originally by: Jack Dant
Besides, it's about as hard to counter as it is to kill a stabbed smartbombing battleships camping a pipe system
bring more points, nub. Also, for a solo smartbomber, fitting a stab, IMO, is a prefectly legitimate fit. (hint: smartbombs do not need any ships to be targetted)
Originally by: Jack Dant
Would you consider that an exploit too?
no, i do not consider that to be an exploit, funnily enough.
Originally by: Jack Dant
Thought as much
bolded your mistake.

Also lolThe Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre. amidoingitrite?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.07.30 14:48:00 - [206]
 

Confirming lol united.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.30 15:32:00 - [207]
 

Thank you for this post, can you link a source?


bull caca. they stay away from the political aspects because the system theyve designed has evolved into something stupid, and they know it. the t20 incident while principally wrong was VERY minor. here is a list of the t2 bpo's obtained (and then raffled off)

* Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint
* Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint
* Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint
* Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint
* Spike L Blueprint
* Sabre Blueprint

not exactly game breaking like people made it out to be.

Jitabot 6000
Posted - 2010.07.30 16:38:00 - [208]
 

Jesus you are all carebears, this explains literally everything.

The Pharcyde
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.07.30 16:44:00 - [209]
 

Whoops, that was me ^

Sombike
Caldari
Enterprise Estonia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.30 17:24:00 - [210]
 

So this is the only thread where CCP actually answers questions?
Whats the eta on the lag fix?


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