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PiN Leia
Posted - 2010.07.13 23:19:00 - [61]
 

why not offer 10m free sp on sisi for everyone that goes to the mass test? :)

Jade Kitana
Posted - 2010.07.13 23:28:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: PiN Leia
why not offer 10m free sp on sisi for everyone that goes to the mass test? :)


If it takes something like this to get players to test fixes that they have been crying planet sized oceans of tears for, then they should just... I don't know, but it wouldn't be good.



Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.07.13 23:33:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: PiN Leia
why not offer 10m free sp on sisi for everyone that goes to the mass test? :)
SiSi would crash

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.07.14 00:01:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: CCP Veritas
Unfortunately, I haven't got a kilt. I do, however, have some code on Sisi that needs a lot of people to test. Please help me out.



No whining on the forums about people not testing ur code!! oh wait....


Actually if you are still reading this, any hints if the code is for server side optimization or making pi go lag less so we can have bigger fights?


I have been thinking, just saying a mass test is needed may not always get a lot of people. However if you guys state something like, testing a server side fixes to find memory leak in XXXXXX or testing grid load communication errors or something like that, that may encourage more people knowing what we are testing helps out a lot.


But as I have said in numerous threads, good communication between staff and players really helps.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.14 00:05:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Do you REALLY want to see Tanis in a kilt????!!!!
I'd settle for You, Prism, Shadow and StevieSG.

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.07.14 00:11:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Do you REALLY want to see Tanis in a kilt????!!!!
I'd settle for You, Prism, Shadow and StevieSG.
That would be quite the kilt.

CCP Veritas

Posted - 2010.07.14 00:27:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: CCP Veritas on 14/07/2010 00:26:50
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Actually if you are still reading this, any hints if the code is for server side optimization or making pi go lag less so we can have bigger fights?


I don't want to state the exact things I'm testing because there's a fair chance they won't work and I don't want to get anyone's hopes up. I also don't want to draw extra attention to the systems I've changed, because I want to know if the difference is noticeable to players.

So with those in mind, I hope you can understand that I can't really say much more than what I already have.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.14 00:45:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Sturmwolke
If there was "Pod-A-Dev" session, I might be interested in re-participating.


Devs are largely innocent.
I wouldn't mind a "grief a marketing employee" or "grief management" event, where all the people responsible for prioritizing are being griefed by their horrible decisions for a few weeks.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.07.14 00:45:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: CCP Veritas
Edited by: CCP Veritas on 14/07/2010 00:26:50
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Actually if you are still reading this, any hints if the code is for server side optimization or making pi go lag less so we can have bigger fights?


I don't want to state the exact things I'm testing because there's a fair chance they won't work and I don't want to get anyone's hopes up. I also don't want to draw extra attention to the systems I've changed, because I want to know if the difference is noticeable to players.

So with those in mind, I hope you can understand that I can't really say much more than what I already have.


Fair enough, but can we get a dev blog later assuming stuff worked?

sue denim
Posted - 2010.07.14 00:56:00 - [70]
 

just make all the devs, bug hunters, forum mods, and gms jump into a waiting blob of players, then they can black screen in frustration and we can turkey shoot ;p

Eliax
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Posted - 2010.07.14 01:27:00 - [71]
 

- ??k free SP on the real server
- Another new free ship
- ...

I'm sure CCP can find something to reward people to spend some time installing & logging on the test server.

And possibly limit the user amount on sisi, cuz it's prolly going to crash with all the people suddenly participating :p.

Jazminum Conehead
Minmatar
Revered Mining Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.14 02:06:00 - [72]
 

The best way to get a load of people on Sisi is for TQ to 'crash'. I've noticed this before.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.07.14 02:15:00 - [73]
 

New test server topic

I took the suggestion of skill points and put it in the test server forum for their mods and test server staff to see directly. 10 mill is a bit excessive as that is 8 months worth of skills. But maybe with GOOOD feedback we can get that rolling.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.14 15:51:00 - [74]
 

Mass test today! Sign up now, get tanis to wear a kilt. Watch Fallout scream in terror as he does.

Altaree
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.14 16:33:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: CCP Veritas
Edited by: CCP Veritas on 14/07/2010 00:26:50
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Actually if you are still reading this, any hints if the code is for server side optimization or making pi go lag less so we can have bigger fights?


I don't want to state the exact things I'm testing because there's a fair chance they won't work and I don't want to get anyone's hopes up. I also don't want to draw extra attention to the systems I've changed, because I want to know if the difference is noticeable to players.

So with those in mind, I hope you can understand that I can't really say much more than what I already have.


Can you tell us what you were testing after the test? Might help with the CMS5 fallout... I think the biggest problem is lack of visibility and a few verbal slips...

Ban Doga
Posted - 2010.07.14 16:56:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 14/07/2010 16:57:04
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Edited by: CCP Veritas on 14/07/2010 00:26:50
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Actually if you are still reading this, any hints if the code is for server side optimization or making pi go lag less so we can have bigger fights?


I don't want to state the exact things I'm testing because there's a fair chance they won't work and I don't want to get anyone's hopes up. I also don't want to draw extra attention to the systems I've changed, because I want to know if the difference is noticeable to players.

So with those in mind, I hope you can understand that I can't really say much more than what I already have.


That sounds a lot like trial-and-error.
Don't tell me you don't expect this to improve the situation.

What about that testing framework that was once part of the Tyrannis feature page?
Is it used to conduct automated test in addition to the mass tests with players?
How are the results from that?

Could you at least specify which area your change is in: jumping, fleets, weapon, drones, navigation, server or client.

I think this "oh it's a secret and I cannot tell you more so you have to come to find out" is not really attractive any more...

Vaneshi SnowCrash
Posted - 2010.07.14 17:13:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: FireT
Originally by: SammyullJackson

EDIT: And I don't WANT a titan, I don't WANT a capital, I just want to know, say, if it's worth it to get T2 weapons, or how ships that I can't handle yet (T2 Cruiser, BSs, stuff like that) are worth it to me (glories praised in forums aside, I want to know how it fits ME, personally)


Agreeing with this. If I was on SiSi I would not be flying actual capitals on a 24/7 style. Maybe just to satisfy my curiosity.

Overall I would be spending more time with all the various ships and the various weapon styles.


Exactly, I hear lots of people talk about carriers, moms, titans and such. Can't fly one, don't know what to do with one. Would be nifty to just go futz with one on Sisi to figure it out. But my futzing is also testing, I might end up throwing some whacky combination of modules together and discover a bug. T2 weapons, various module configurations all fit in to the same boat as far as I can see.

CCP Tanis

Posted - 2010.07.14 19:23:00 - [78]
 

Howdy folks,

I wanted to stop in for a brief bit of info.

We've been doing a lot of thinking lately about the best ways to encourage people to participate in mass-testing, as well as effective and fair ways that we might be able to somehow spice things up a bit to make it more enjoyable and more worth everyones time.

That said, we're committed to the mass-testing program for the long-term. This means we won't implement a solution unless we're quite sure that it will A) work to get more people into tests B) not provide an un-fair advantage on TQ and C) make things more fun for testers, without defeating the point of testing.

I'm 100% behind you guys about making it easier to connect to Sisi. We've got some potential solutions in the works, but it'll take time as anything we do will end up affecting the TQ patching process as well. THis means we've gotta go the "do it slow and carefully, so you don't break TQ" route. Our current line of thought here is to use a modified version of the repair tool.

I gotta say, I like the skillpoints idea, at least giving SP on Sisi for those who help with mass-testing. I'll follow-up with that and see how feasible it would be to implement something like that, in the way we'd need it to be on Sisi.

As for the kilt.. I'll go one step further and just make a bet right here and now:

IF: In each of the next 3 mass-tests after the one tomorrow, we have 500+ players show up and participate, I will do one of the following:

(you'll get to vote for which one, if I lose.. I will then post pics on the forums as proof)

  • Wear a kilt and war-paint

  • Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting

  • Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels

  • Dye my hair pink


Kangtar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.14 19:26:00 - [79]
 

I'd love to come but I'm all booked up for 18 - 24 months.

Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
Posted - 2010.07.14 19:42:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Kangtar
I'd love to come but I'm all booked up for 18 - 24 months.

Nice.

Ban Doga
Posted - 2010.07.15 05:10:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: CCP Tanis

That said, we're committed to the mass-testing program for the long-term. This means we won't implement a solution unless we're quite sure that it will A) work to get more people into tests B) not provide an un-fair advantage on TQ and C) make things more fun for testers, without defeating the point of testing.

I'm 100% behind you guys about making it easier to connect to Sisi. We've got some potential solutions in the works, but it'll take time as anything we do will end up affecting the TQ patching process as well. THis means we've gotta go the "do it slow and carefully, so you don't break TQ" route.


That's in best CCP tradition:
"We are aware that the current situation is bad. Since it's been bad for so long we feel it's necessary to improve it. So we have begun to search for the perfect solution and we won't waste resources on improving the situation with sub-optimal improvements now. If we find the perfect solution we might start to implement it. That'll be all"

Quote:

We've been doing a lot of thinking lately about the best ways to encourage people to participate in mass-testing, as well as effective and fair ways that we might be able to somehow spice things up a bit to make it more enjoyable and more worth everyones time.



As some people already suggested: How about result?!
That's the best way to show it's "worth everyone's time".

It's kinda funny that you spend "a lot of thinking lately" on how to improve people's perception of the mass tests instead of improving the effectiveness of the tests.

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.07.15 05:28:00 - [82]
 

I have been at tests and I can say, its fun to do.. but only the fleet fights, total chaos Very Happy

Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.15 05:39:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Kangtar
I'd love to come but I'm all booked up for 18 - 24 months.


Bazinga

Fikreta
Posted - 2010.07.15 07:35:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: PiN Leia
why not offer 10m free sp on sisi for everyone that goes to the mass test? :)


Nah I think 10k free SP would do the trick. People are cheap nowadays you know

CCP Veritas

Posted - 2010.07.15 22:25:00 - [85]
 

Thankfully we had enough people to stress what I needed stressed. It was close; pretty slim showing.

It was an attempted fix for the issue commonly called "module lag." Unfortunately, instead of making the problem better, it made it worse, so back to the drawing board with me. Work continues on it first thing in the morning. Well, maybe after breakfast.

It also wasn't the only thing we tested tonight, but we won't know how the other ones went 'til we dig at some data.

Thanks all that showed, and see you at the next one. I'll have more crazy experiments to carry out~

Cire XIII
Caldari
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.15 22:53:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: CCP Veritas
Thankfully we had enough people to stress what I needed stressed. It was close; pretty slim showing.

It was an attempted fix for the issue commonly called "module lag." Unfortunately, instead of making the problem better, it made it worse, so back to the drawing board with me. Work continues on it first thing in the morning. Well, maybe after breakfast.

It also wasn't the only thing we tested tonight, but we won't know how the other ones went 'til we dig at some data.

Thanks all that showed, and see you at the next one. I'll have more crazy experiments to carry out~
Thank you for taking the time to post this Veritas. It did not fall on deaf ears; at least not for mine. I wish you the best of luck that you may find solutions. Serendipity is a phenomenon that emerges out of hard work, and I hope that you find it soon.

-C

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.16 00:03:00 - [87]
 

How about get some rich person to donate some prices to be given to a couple of random players that participated in the test. On TQ of obviously.

No doubt that people are more inclined to spend a couple of hours jumping through hoops if you can win a navy Mega.

Mouse o'Fourtails
Posted - 2010.07.16 01:15:00 - [88]
 

sisi free lotsa people like free? many dont enjoy trials because its often dull. sisi lets join fleet fight without fancy skills or get in big allains

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.16 01:41:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: CCP Veritas
It also wasn't the only thing we tested tonight, but we won't know how the other ones went 'til we dig at some data.


Suggestion:

I just sent you nearly 290mb of logs.
Print them out. Roll them together. Then play some whack-a-marketing-person with it.

Would be worth it tbh.

Penjual Sayur
Posted - 2010.07.16 02:47:00 - [90]
 

TBH some monetary reward will go for me, say 10mil per test? =D

also War paint + kilt = awesome, war paint must be blue though


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