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Jonathan Mcarthur
Caldari
Stargazer Exploration Company
Sundiver Technology Diversified
Posted - 2010.07.13 23:46:00 - [31]
 

I don't know if people noticed but Mr. H and Mr. B seem to remind me of Jame Bond film, specifically Diamonds are forever with Mr. Kidd and Mr. Wint, I wonder if Abraxas is trying to do some sort of parallel.

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2010.07.14 06:58:00 - [32]
 

My impression is that someone is getting a cheap "wetware mainframe" for his implants from the streets...
Very Sansha like solution, I like it. Twisted Evil

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.07.14 08:52:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Freyya on 14/07/2010 08:53:13
I just logged in and typed my reply, but after pressing post reply i needed to log in again. FIX FORUMS!

Now i just use a short version of my reply;

Gingerly x12 with thread and story related bits in between.
Use substitutions as 5x gingerly breaks atmosphere a bit.
Great artwork, artists;think about making a comic series?

Ohh and ofcourse great story again Abraxas!

CCP Abraxas

Posted - 2010.07.14 10:14:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Yaar Podshipnik
The only thing that I didn't like is that Abraxas used "gingerly" 5 times.
Jesus, you weren't kidding. I must've been thinking of something else. Or someone else.

Also, for anyone wondering about the "Resurrection Men" title, and about Messieurs B and H: Yes, it traces back to James Bond, but it goes back much further than that. Google it. Smile

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2010.07.14 13:19:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Aineko Macx on 14/07/2010 13:22:45
Since implants are mainly got from LP stores, it implies all corporations do mass human kidnapping/trafficking/reprocessing, which is unbelievable, even in eves universe. Also, the supply of "talented" people in certain fields is not unlimited.
Other than that, nice writing as usual.

thegallenteamarrguy
Posted - 2010.07.14 15:56:00 - [36]
 

You've made me significantly less comfortable in eve lately, abraxas. This, combined with the past quafe story, and seeing the DUST art work on the CCPgames website, with bodies hanging on a podium, makes me, unsettled. Great job.

Indy Dugg
Posted - 2010.07.14 16:26:00 - [37]
 

Stop teaseing us with these awsome stories. We will never experience this ingame.Confused

CCP use ur writeing skills to make missions ingame.Rolling Eyes

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.14 17:53:00 - [38]
 

it's Burke and Hare, the infamous bodysnatchers, or... "Resurrectionists" as they were called.

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.07.14 21:58:00 - [39]
 

So, next we're gonna learn that pods' life support systems do indeed run on tears?

But at least Abraxas' chrons are more... elegant...

Originally by: "Rokan"
"So what are they for? Is this a health check before I go on board?" Just the words go on board gave him a nice, warm little sense of freedom.


"Go on board", get it? Rolling Eyes

Hallan De'estus
Posted - 2010.07.15 15:02:00 - [40]
 

Great job on a great premise. Really, really hoping to see more of all three characters. Twisted Evil

Candente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.15 15:47:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Edited by: Aineko Macx on 14/07/2010 13:22:45
Since implants are mainly got from LP stores, it implies all corporations do mass human kidnapping/trafficking/reprocessing, which is unbelievable, even in eves universe. Also, the supply of "talented" people in certain fields is not unlimited.
Other than that, nice writing as usual.


I think "recycling" individuals in the lowest caste of New Eden's societies is a constant and interesting theme. I would seriously doubt every +ability implants out there are the high tech version of Quafe+. It feels to me that this guy (or rather his brain) becomes the lab rat in producing/testing +hacking implants.

I am curious about the nature of this unfortunate hacker's works. Are we talking about hacking as in traditional interfacing (such as monitor & keyboard)? Or maybe it's the hacking as in neural interface, which involves plugging implants into brain and then hook to some machine like capsuleers? I am more inclined to imagine the latter... maybe because I want more Ghost in the Shell kind of science fantasy Twisted Evil

Muck Raker
Gallente
Gutter Press
Posted - 2010.07.15 16:34:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
it's Burke and Hare, the infamous bodysnatchers, or... "Resurrectionists" as they were called.


In addition to this, there's also:

"Burke's the killer, and Hare's the thief, And Knox the man who buys the beef"

So... who is Mr. K ? Shocked

K'rto
Posted - 2010.07.16 01:50:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Edited by: Aineko Macx on 14/07/2010 13:22:45
Since implants are mainly got from LP stores, it implies all corporations do mass human kidnapping/trafficking/reprocessing, which is unbelievable, even in eves universe. Also, the supply of "talented" people in certain fields is not unlimited.
Other than that, nice writing as usual.


I'd rather believe they copy what they get from him, and use this to produce implants. My wild guess here is that it'd be cheaper to do that than to try to hunt down a person with the fitting talents for only one implant, everytime.

Originally by: Muck Raker
So... who is Mr. K ? Shocked


That'd be me, hehe. Razz

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.16 09:24:00 - [44]
 

I have a job this Mr Rokan. He will not be harmed in any way. Who can I contact to arrange the use of his services?

Chaendara Crowe
Posted - 2010.07.16 16:36:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Chaendara Crowe on 16/07/2010 16:55:23
Hmmm, will Mr. Rokan wake up and still BE Mr. Rokan?

Will he wake to find he is now just a ghost in a machine?

Or will he never wake because there are now ghosts in HIS machine?

Imagine, if you will, a body and brain with the ability to handle the pressure and stimuli of not one but TWO consciousnesses within it? How might that change the "tide of entire battles" to have not one but TWO capsuleer's in charge of a fighting vessel...Shocked

Or will it be as simple as the fact that Mr. B and Mr. H's employer simply wants out of the capsuleer profession, and all those years inside the pod exposed to who knows what has degraded his body to the point it won't sustain life outside the pod and he is simply "trading up"?

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.07.17 04:43:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Pesets on 17/07/2010 04:43:51
Originally by: Chaendara Crowe
Imagine, if you will, a body and brain with the ability to handle the pressure and stimuli of not one but TWO consciousnesses within it? How might that change the "tide of entire battles" to have not one but TWO capsuleer's in charge of a fighting vessel...Shocked


Strictly speaking, nothing says that the part of the brain responsible for consiousness has to be preserved, and the extraction procedure would likely leave Rokan in vegetable state, if at all alive. I have my doubts that extracting just the right neurons from a unique individual brain and making them interface with another unique brain would be more feasible than designing a normal implant from scratch, but fiction has a tendency to disregard logical implications in favor of invoking an emotional response from the reader.

Originally by: Chaendara Crowe
Or will it be as simple as the fact that Mr. B and Mr. H's employer simply wants out of the capsuleer profession, and all those years inside the pod exposed to who knows what has degraded his body to the point it won't sustain life outside the pod and he is simply "trading up"?


Doubtful, as he could always transfer his consciousness into a fresh body, grown to be in good shape. Of course the chron gives you freedom to speculate about exact ending, but it also gives clues that hoping for a happy ending is somewhat naive.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.07.17 07:26:00 - [47]
 

I wish this meant the Broker was coming back. I liked him.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.17 07:56:00 - [48]
 

Very nice chronicle, CCP Abraxas. Thank you.

Besides the "gingerly" storm (all hail CCP Ginger!), and a missing space in
Quote:
certain sections of the <i>brain</i>were capable of dealing

it's very high quality.

...And as usual, the answers given are far less than the questions left lingering... Which is good (unless brought to the level of Lost, of course!).

I liked especially the effort to give a believable background to the skill/implant effects on ship performance.

Always wondered why I could fit that extra 5% volume in my industrial, or have my carrier field an additional fighter, or my railguns use 2% less powergrid, if I "study" the right book for the appropriate amount of time or plug a device in my cranium. Ship specs seem very "volatile" in this regard, and the whole skill point mechanic explanation is a gingerly serious narrative challenge. Wink

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2010.07.17 12:30:00 - [49]
 

Very nice. I too enjoyed the subtle Men in Black-style approach. Their precise English and somewhat British/old-world mannerisms were appreciated too.

I can't help but feel that there's more to come though; that this is not merely 'we wish to dissect this person's brain'. That doesn't mean it's a good thing that he's found himself volunteered for Twisted Evil

At several points in the story they refer to tests, and that the ones they're doing right now are just basic ones, that later ones he'd perceive at a conscious level. This begs the question as to what the more complex tests are.

More please!

Bronden Neopatus
Posted - 2010.07.18 20:15:00 - [50]
 

Well, I guess this is NOT what everyone is intended to think, but IMO the whole process is passive and the guy is merely being recorded into an AI for personal use of a capsuleer, who later may develop the info into a personal implant or a mass produced done.

But hey, that's because I already feel EVE's universe is too unempathic and sociopathic on its own as to have chunks of dead people plugged into capsuleers for extra grimness. Rolling Eyes

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.07.19 13:30:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Mcarthur
I don't know if people noticed but Mr. H and Mr. B seem to remind me of Jame Bond film, specifically Diamonds are forever with Mr. Kidd and Mr. Wint, I wonder if Abraxas is trying to do some sort of parallel.


With the illustration for me they where more reminiscent to the strangers like Mr. Hand & Mr. Book in Dark City.
Too bad I was wrong. Sad

Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command
Kamikaze Project
Posted - 2010.07.21 05:29:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Chaendara Crowe

Imagine, if you will, a body and brain with the ability to handle the pressure and stimuli of not one but TWO consciousnesses within it?


Somebody mention Dollhouse? Very Happy

Lucia Warbler
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.07.21 13:36:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Bronden Neopatus
Well, I guess this is NOT what everyone is intended to think, but IMO the whole process is passive and the guy is merely being recorded into an AI for personal use of a capsuleer, who later may develop the info into a personal implant or a mass produced done.

But hey, that's because I already feel EVE's universe is too unempathic and sociopathic on its own as to have chunks of dead people plugged into capsuleers for extra grimness. Rolling Eyes


Non of that. Naturally that good man will become a respected member of the capsuleers crew and a good friend of him/her personally. Not only that, he will also survive his time onboard the capsuleer's ship and retires at age of (five years later), rich and lives his life happily there after.

Yuzuki Katayanagi
The Tempest Blood
Posted - 2010.07.21 13:57:00 - [54]
 

"Their first victim was an old woman from Gilmerton, whom Hare noticed a little intoxicated on the streets. Hare accosted her and enticed her to his den, where she was stupefied with drink, and put to death in the manner they afterwards pursued..."

This what Burke and Hare did to their first victim. Sounds somewhat familiar doesn't it?

While I doubt that this method of finding specimen for implant research is standard, I'm sure it speeds things up a bit.

Read real life history of body snatchers or "resurrection men". Then read Burke and Hare's story.

I'm happy I did because now I know I'm not plugging some dead person into my brain. Just wish they could release one chron to show that capsuleers aren't all bad... Sad I'm having a hard time believing that I'm not an ******* in an pod.

mattig89ch1
Caldari
RipStar.
Posted - 2010.07.21 18:03:00 - [55]
 

I got the impression that his consciousness is being downloaded and his body is being turned into a clone.

They'd use is consciousness to create better equipment while they use his body for a clone for the capsuleer.

Valaska
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.07.26 12:17:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Edited by: Aineko Macx on 14/07/2010 13:22:45
Since implants are mainly got from LP stores, it implies all corporations do mass human kidnapping/trafficking/reprocessing, which is unbelievable, even in eves universe. Also, the supply of "talented" people in certain fields is not unlimited.
Other than that, nice writing as usual.


Seems appropriate in a universe where you can be given missions such as "Freedom Must NOT Prevail" and such.. New Eden is supposed to be a ridiculously dark, scary place where anything, but nothing, is permitted in a ways..
This is but New Edens true shades, shining through.


Ahd Dib
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:30:00 - [57]
 

I think he's going to be the capsuleer's Alt LOL

Lina Thamaris
Caldari
Angry Elks
Posted - 2010.07.27 07:21:00 - [58]
 

Very nice chronicle. I really liked reading it. As someone said before, the Dark City feeling is definitely there.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2010.07.27 10:26:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Candente
I would seriously doubt every +ability implants out there are the high tech version of Quafe+. It feels to me that this guy (or rather his brain) becomes the lab rat in producing/testing +hacking implants.

Well, it's ambiguous, because on one hand they state that the guy and the capsuleer might actually meet in a creepy way, on the other hand state they need a brain to reverse engineer stuff and that he "could be very useful to him, and to others of his kind".

Originally by: Valaska
Originally by: Aineko Macx
Edited by: Aineko Macx on 14/07/2010 13:22:45
Since implants are mainly got from LP stores, it implies all corporations do mass human kidnapping/trafficking/reprocessing, which is unbelievable, even in eves universe. Also, the supply of "talented" people in certain fields is not unlimited.
Other than that, nice writing as usual.

Seems appropriate in a universe where you can be given missions such as "Freedom Must NOT Prevail" and such.. New Eden is supposed to be a ridiculously dark, scary place where anything, but nothing, is permitted in a ways..
This is but New Edens true shades, shining through.

You can get the same implants from pretty much any corp you can run mission for in unlimited quantity (limited only by your LP and ISK), even philanthropic ones like SOE. The more you think it through, the more holes you find in the concept and the less believable it becomes. So while it was well written, IMHO the chronicle is an exercise in painting eve in its dark colors but forgets to consider the implications of the new concepts that are introduced. One day this chronicle might be revised or considered non-canonical...

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.28 08:22:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
You can get the same implants from pretty much any corp you can run mission for in unlimited quantity (limited only by your LP and ISK), even philanthropic ones like SOE. The more you think it through, the more holes you find in the concept and the less believable it becomes. So while it was well written, IMHO the chronicle is an exercise in painting eve in its dark colors but forgets to consider the implications of the new concepts that are introduced. One day this chronicle might be revised or considered non-canonical...

You only need one to make a billion copies.

It's quite obvious this is the origin of the various hardwirings.


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