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ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.14 15:19:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Dakisha
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Edited by: Helicity Boson on 14/07/2010 13:57:42
http://machine9.net/sigs/lolveur.gif

there you go. sig worthy.




About sums it up really


except its their money and not yours.

Smyrk
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.07.14 15:57:00 - [92]
 

Mynxee, is the presentation you gave ("Making Low Sec Matter") available publicly?

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.14 16:26:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
except its their money and not yours.


True, that's the one thing that bothers me about the sig. Still, it gets at the crux of the issue - this game is broken, and they're refusing to fix it for stupid reasons.

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.14 16:31:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
except its their money and not yours.


True, that's the one thing that bothers me about the sig. Still, it gets at the crux of the issue - this game is broken, and they're refusing to fix it for stupid reasons.


they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.07.14 17:18:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.


It's so hard to read your posts without translating "they" as "we".

-Liang

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.14 18:29:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: ThisIsNotMyAlt on 14/07/2010 18:29:44
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.


It's so hard to read your posts without translating "they" as "we".

-Liang


tbh i have no problem with SHC people confusing me with a CCP dev. as long as the gm's dont approach me and say something like i'd pretend being a dev.
in short, believe what you want, conspiracy theories ftw.

Ab Tallen
The Alphabet Soup
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:17:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.


...maybe. It's not as if previous CSMs had raised extensive lists of issues already... (This blog post has a nice summary on the CSM4 issues.)

And we all have our long-standing favourites... Small ones like perhaps Overview ghosts (you know, those non-existing ships that only disappear when you refresh the overview by pressing tab twice). Or the brilliant UI choices like having destructive actions right next to often-used actions on right-click menues (really, really hard to fix). Or bigger ones like the missing iterations on the new sov concept that has been introduced with oh-so-great expectations (never mind that people constantly have to petition broken sov structures - and don't even get me started on Factional Warfare). Or perhaps a working forum that has been promised for years...

Instead we have great new features like Planetary Interaction, which is about as immersive as a small cup of warm water. (From a company that has phrases like "A virtual reality is about true human interaction and true human emotions in a living and evolving world." on their web page...) Oh my.


ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:24:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Ab Tallen
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.


...maybe. It's not as if previous CSMs had raised extensive lists of issues already... (This blog post has a nice summary on the CSM4 issues.)

And we all have our long-standing favourites... Small ones like perhaps Overview ghosts (you know, those non-existing ships that only disappear when you refresh the overview by pressing tab twice). Or the brilliant UI choices like having destructive actions right next to often-used actions on right-click menues (really, really hard to fix). Or bigger ones like the missing iterations on the new sov concept that has been introduced with oh-so-great expectations (never mind that people constantly have to petition broken sov structures - and don't even get me started on Factional Warfare). Or perhaps a working forum that has been promised for years...

Instead we have great new features like Planetary Interaction, which is about as immersive as a small cup of warm water. (From a company that has phrases like "A virtual reality is about true human interaction and true human emotions in a living and evolving world." on their web page...) Oh my.




there is allways gonna be new features. and there is also allways gonna be bugs. that doesnt mean that no bugs get fixed tho. all you need to do is read back through the changelogs of the patches. in every patch some things get fixed. even tho you might all say that bug fixing is more important then new features, truth is: if ccp would only bug fix for a year and not release new features, they would loose more subscribers over that. and if you were to really adress ALL bugs, you would need serveral years like that.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:55:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
except its their money and not yours.


True, that's the one thing that bothers me about the sig. Still, it gets at the crux of the issue - this game is broken, and they're refusing to fix it for stupid reasons.


they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.


I stand by my previous post. They make poke and prod a bit, but they aren't doing anything that even approximates making an attempt to fix the game.

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.14 21:05:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto

I stand by my previous post. They make poke and prod a bit, but they aren't doing anything that even approximates making an attempt to fix the game.


do that. :)

Zathi Shaitan
Illiteracy Combatants
Posted - 2010.07.15 00:09:00 - [101]
 

At a first glance, the minutes seemed very well-written.

But then.... "hangEr".

FFS, illiterates. Go back to friggin' elementary school.

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.15 09:39:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt

they are not refusing to fix it. they will do small fixes and stuff inbetween. people read the minutes like ccp said "we will do nothing except incarna for the next 18 month" and that is not true. what they said is they wont be doing resource-heavy (big) stuff/fixes until after 18 months.


Where are those 'small' fixes I have been wondering in the 2+ years I'm playing EVE.

CCP hasn't been able to fix something simple as the price history graph that has been broken since Dominion for instance. Laughing I doubt if they even located where the problem is tbh.

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.15 09:45:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt

there is allways gonna be new features. and there is also allways gonna be bugs. that doesnt mean that no bugs get fixed tho. all you need to do is read back through the changelogs of the patches. in every patch some things get fixed. even tho you might all say that bug fixing is more important then new features, truth is: if ccp would only bug fix for a year and not release new features, they would loose more subscribers over that. and if you were to really adress ALL bugs, you would need serveral years like that.


You forget to mention that bugs often return in CCP land or that they are claimed to be fixed while in fact they are not. Drones having a will of their own comes to mind for example...


ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.15 11:26:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt

there is allways gonna be new features. and there is also allways gonna be bugs. that doesnt mean that no bugs get fixed tho. all you need to do is read back through the changelogs of the patches. in every patch some things get fixed. even tho you might all say that bug fixing is more important then new features, truth is: if ccp would only bug fix for a year and not release new features, they would loose more subscribers over that. and if you were to really adress ALL bugs, you would need serveral years like that.


You forget to mention that bugs often return in CCP land or that they are claimed to be fixed while in fact they are not. Drones having a will of their own comes to mind for example...




I do not disagree to that. As said, there will allways be bugs, and there are allways some bugs fixed in each patch. read the patch notes, its all documented there. wether or not you would like ccp to fix more bugs is a completly different matter, but saying ccp does not fix bugs, or that they said they would not fix any bugs in the next 18 month, is just untrue.

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.15 16:24:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt

I do not disagree to that. As said, there will allways be bugs, and there are allways some bugs fixed in each patch. read the patch notes, its all documented there. wether or not you would like ccp to fix more bugs is a completly different matter, but saying ccp does not fix bugs, or that they said they would not fix any bugs in the next 18 month, is just untrue.
We all know that there is no such thing as bug free software. Thing is, CCP seems to be introducing more bugs than it fixes, at least in my experience.

And letting simple bugs linger for YEARS is NOT good game making, you can spin and twist that all you want but it simply isn't.

Look, if CCP introduced a bug in expansion X, I expect them to fix it in patch X.1, X.2 or even X.3 or .4. I DO NOT however, expect that bug to linger and even survive the next expansion launch.

Furthermore, there are aspects that should have een overhauled, long, long looooong ago. Take sound for instance, take the UI and I'm sure others can name a few others of the top of their head.

I truly believe that the path CCP is walking right now and has been walking the past few years will be the death of the game. The lack of competition has saved there butts for now but I doubt that will last forever.

Myself I would not even be playing EVE anymore if I couldn't sustain my accounts with PLEX without too much trbl as I simply don't think this game is worth cashing out 20-30 bucks a month for...

Talmeric Eratirel
Posted - 2010.09.15 17:06:00 - [106]
 

Don't know if this has been raised yet, but ...

Originally by: CSM minutes

The winter expansion will focus on polish of existing features, mainly planetary interaction, and preparation for coming expansions.


Originally by: CSM minutes

CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features.


So, winter expansion will be focused on polishing, then we will have Incarna / Dust, then re-polishing ?

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:05:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 17/09/2010 21:06:57
Dear CSM,

Thank you for all your time.

CCP is now a money only company as the game !

Bad that they don't really listened you all CSM members.
Thank you for yout time !
It's now written in the minutes, it's CCP choice and you are against their view on quality.

They think once again based on the fact that new contents drive more paying players.
And they don't think that not listening existing client make them drive away...Oh there is no other SF MMORPG....wellcheck the market guys somes are coming. Eve will not for so long be alone of the kind ! And CCP knows it that why they want Incarana and Dust asap !

CCP, don't get stunned when you will look Mercedes story...once they attempted to sell high prices car but with lower quality customers started to drive away.

Nathan....that's the guy that will cost you many paying accounts.

I fell we have attempted to tell you we liked the quality of your game. Be sure that an happy customer makes 10 happy new customers and that 1 unhappy customer make 100 less potential customer.

May be you should have thinked more than once, twice to that but it seems you like to think we are 10 year old kids.

With the new SF games that comes as you but for playing too.

Eve is dying and you make it !

capsuleers, check on : www.mmorpg.org

Yeay

Shaemell Buttleson
Posted - 2010.09.20 11:19:00 - [108]
 

It must have been said already but I just for the life of me cannot see why CCP can't see that fixing FW and improving it will go a long way to fixing Low-sec.








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