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Rawrr Baby
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:34:00 - [1]
 

As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:35:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.


incorrect.

what you lost is an in-game item that is inherently the property of CCP.

The police will laugh at you.


Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:37:00 - [3]
 

GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck Laughing

Johnny Dexter
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:37:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.

If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:39:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.

If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?


English isn't everyone's first language. Also, people make typos.

And yeah the official stance on this is like you paid CCP for an ingame item, but all ingame items belong to CCP, and since scamming is allowed by CCP, you're out of luck :(

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:40:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.


I am pretty sure you are sort of slow.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:41:00 - [7]
 

are you good with being laughed at? try it in person to fully appreciate the blank look of incomprehension on the cops face before the light comes on and he starts laughing.

in short if you have any intention of retaining your dignity NO.

JamesTalon
Caldari
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:42:00 - [8]
 

Technically, you bought something from CCP, and then turned around and made it into an item in their game, thus giving ownership back to them. The fact that you lose it in a stupid move is your own fault, and no police would investigate something like this anyway. Its like trying to sue someone who stole your ore from a jetcan :P

Keep in mind, there is 0 reason to actually undock with a plex unless your moving it to another market. Personally, I'd get a GTC, go to the station I was going to sell it at, make it a PLEX, and then sell it. No risk involved.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:48:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Aerilis
English isn't everyone's first language.
Just as in real life, I ignore those people completely. I don't speek gibberish and have no interest in trying to sort out someone elses mumbling...

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck Laughing


Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.

1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.

Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.

Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas? Shocked

Winters Chill
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:50:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Winters Chill on 09/07/2010 16:51:50
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.


Nope.

CCP was very clever in how it words what a PLEX actually IS and how to get it:

You purchase a gametime code first, intended to be used as, surprise surprise, game time. Once you CHOOSE to convert it into said ingame item(s), the rules of the game apply; it becomes 100% the property of CCP as stated in the EULA, any refund entitlement is therefore void.

(ignorance of the rules is no excuse as you are meant to read and understand the EULA before playing, thats why there is a little box to tick).

No player is liable for the/your loss, you would have to take the case up in the icelandic courts against CCP itself but in truth you would wasting your money and probably banned for life.

Legal threats are a little extreme for e refund of $30 though. You need to chill bro, chill like its winter.



BobsBrother
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:52:00 - [12]
 

Plexes cannot be moved from a station they have to be applied in the station you got them as far as i know

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: BobsBrother
Plexes cannot be moved from a station they have to be applied in the station you got them as far as i know



From next Tuesday though, they can be transported.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:57:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: BobsBrother
Plexes cannot be moved from a station they have to be applied in the station you got them as far as i know


That is changing however, if you read the blog. So basically you'll be able to undock with a PLEX card in your hold. You'll also be able to have PLEX delivered to a non NPC station (which is a good thing). To be honest, soon as you undock with a PLEX card it's your risk, your choice, like CCP says, no one is forcing you.

Yuki Katsumura
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Aqriue


1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.

Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.

Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas? Shocked


To above poster: That's changing July 13th.

To you, I'd really love to have your bank. As far as I know, a bank won't reverse credit card charges unless you give them a really good reason to, like theft of credit card. If someone steals the computer you just bought, the CC company will most likely go "tough luck." On the other hand, even if you had a bank that would do this, CCP could very easily convince them to charge you. They can prove that a PLEX is an in game item, for which you did not pay actual money for. You paid money for a code, which you then used to redeem as an in-game item. By doing that, you take responsibility for all risks associated with in game items.

tl;dr: The bank won't reimburse you for losing a sandwich to a mugger, so why would they reimburse a PLEX? Also, the bank is the one who takes the fall if your CC was stolen.

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:59:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 09/07/2010 17:00:22
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck Laughing


Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.

1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.

Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.

Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas? Shocked


How about a much more plausible scenario.

Player A buys PLEX and redeems it in game.
Player A realises the PLEX is in the 'wrong station'.
Player A does not have an extra chromosone and realises that he can apply the PLEX to his account there and then or apply it remotely at any time. If the PLEX was purchased to sell on the market he can load it into a fast/heavily tanked ship as with any other high value good and transport it to a market hub with ease and miniscule risk.

As for ganking. If I gank a ship with a PLEX in it and it drops it's no different to me ganking a ship with 300mil's worth of goods in it and using the cash to buy a PLEX. Think about it bro. Do you see people who buy PLEXs, sell them, buy something expensive and then get ganked immeadiately undocking reversing the transactions? How is this any different a situation?

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:18:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck Laughing


Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.

1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.

Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A will likely get their account cancelled by CCP for not reading the policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.



Fixed it for you.

And you'd probably find its not *that* easy to just "have the charges reversed" on your credit card so frivolously either.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:36:00 - [18]
 

Yes, it is possible to report CCP to the police/whatever. I could report my 3pm bowel movement to the police, but they won't give a **** (pun intended). You may have used real life money to purchase the item, however, you purchased an in game item, owned and created by CCP to be used in the game. Part of the rules of that game include scamming, destruction of property, etc.

If I used real life money to purchase a plex, undock with that plex on the 13th, and get it blown to hell then yes, I could report CCP and that player to the police for "destruction of property". However, I'd get laughed at and probably fined for abusing the emergency help line.

Also, I feel justified in calling you an idiot.
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If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.

Anyone who's knee jerk reaction is "I would ****ing call the police" is just a whiny *****. Sorry, but it's true, I've met too many of them in real life. You know the rules of the game and you play it. Nobody forced you to do anything, yet when you do, and screw up, your first reaction is to call the authorities, not own up to your own stupidity.

This game isn't for you. If you feel you are entitled by law to anything in a game, then it isn't for you. People lose billions on a constant basis and you would call the police over 300mil. I hate the phrase GBTW, but I think it applies here, get out while you can.

Caphelo
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:48:00 - [19]
 

It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:55:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.


No, the easiest thing to do would be to ban the person who reversed the charge for fraud.

Maluminse
Caldari
Out Siders
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.


No, the easiest thing to do would be to ban the person who reversed the charge for fraud.


Confirmed as most logical post.

Rawrr Baby
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:09:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Rawrr Baby on 09/07/2010 18:09:48

Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.

If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?


You do understand that there is not only america in this world Rolling Eyes On this forum, there are germans, swedish, russians, polish, etc...etc...

Welcome to world of many difirent talk's dumbed down idiot YARRRR!!

MickeyKnox
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:10:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: MickeyKnox on 09/07/2010 18:10:28
Posting in a whine-thread so epic, that even I, who despises people who constantly post "posting in an epic wine-thread", have to post in it.

This makes my 5 days reactivation worth it.

MC Vet
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:18:00 - [24]
 

This is just one of many ways where in-game activities bear no relation to rl transactions. same as buying a character and months later being told it was stolen, (granted you get isk back)or buying a ship or module and being scammed (no money refund. galling and extreme anger that you lost but there is little you can do. The only sympathy i have is character sales where the player pays real money to run the account then loses the character when it later transpires that a previous owner lays claim to it. You end up with a worthless account and no refund for game time.

Julienne Poirier
Gallente
Nonya Endeavours
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:21:00 - [25]
 

i have no doubt that many have already tried reporting loss of in game items to the police

Saelie
Posted - 2010.07.09 19:11:00 - [26]
 

Someone blew up my internet spaceship carrying the pixels I like totally paid real money for, someone call the FBI/Interpol/Insert other law enforcement agency here!

Yeah, good luck with that one.

I like totally paid real money for my pixels and somebody stole them in complete accordance with the game mechanics and company policy! I'll just contest the charges so those evil people at CCP can't get my money!

Yeah, good luck with that one, too.

Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.09 19:16:00 - [27]
 

the comic thing about the op is

you only undock with a plex if your intending to sell it to someone else

heck ive made an alt on my main's account, put him in amarr, sent him 300mil from my main, he buys the plex, applies the plex, bingo i get game time, its all good.

now people spending their real life cash for plex will when the change happens

be able to get their plex anywhere and it will magically be in the same station as them no matter where that is

hence they can apply the plex to their own account if they are intending to use it, but who would buy a plex to use on their own account? noone

so the only reason i can ever see for buying a plex and moving it is this

Player A hangs round the great market hubs of eve,

Player b dosnt leave lowsec/nullsec *delete as applicable,

player a buys plex in jita and flies out to sell it to player b at a profit ergo player a has no right to complain if he gets ganked,

he didnt pay any real money for it himself!

as plex will be redeemable in any station not just npc ones it removes any reason why youd want to move them, people in null wanting to sell plex can just redeem them in the null station of choice, people buying them buy and redeem them without undocking


seriously where is the issue? this is a non issue?

TL:DR - undocking with plex means either you didnt buy it yourself or your mad and crazy


Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.07.09 19:53:00 - [28]
 

lol, 5 days before the change came out and there's already so much rage and tears.

Cant wait for July 13th Twisted Evil Make sure every plex kill get posted in C&P

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.07.09 20:34:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Takashi Halamoto


hence they can apply the plex to their own account if they are intending to use it, but who would buy a plex to use on their own account? noone

so the only reason i can ever see for buying a plex and moving it is this

Player A hangs round the great market hubs of eve,

Player b dosnt leave lowsec/nullsec *delete as applicable,

player a buys plex in jita and flies out to sell it to player b at a profit ergo player a has no right to complain if he gets ganked,



Uh, you can apply the PLEX remotely if its in your assets window in any station in the universe. So this is a stupid thing to do. Just fly close enough to jita in lowsec and remote buy, then apply. Screw the middleman.

egegergergsdgedgege
Posted - 2010.07.09 20:44:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.


You could try to sue them in a civilian cort case. Im acctually not sure if you would lose. W



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