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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:35:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 09/07/2010 16:35:47
Originally by: James Vayne
Originally by: Kimsemus
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Right click the PLEX from your assets tab, while you are 17 jumps away from it. Hit Redeem. Congratulations on your additional 30 days of game time. Your argument is invalid.


Incorrect. I don't redeem my PLEX. I'm a subscriber and buy PLEX to sell for ISK (saves on the monotony of mining/missioning). I don't, however, sell the full 60 days, sell 30 days first and 30 days later (there is logic to this I can't be bothered to explain). Ergo, my argument remains.


then just check prices and redeem in wherever it's best to sell. whoever wants to buy cares only for price, as distance is irrelevant.

TimT7
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:39:00 - [62]
 

CCP could remove subscription fees altogether. Just make everything cost real money: HAC 2 euros, BS 1 euro, JF 200 euros and titan 1000 euros. It's like this already anyways.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:43:00 - [63]
 

Just make PLEX 1'000'000 m3 in size, that'll protect it enough without any other specific restrictions.
That way, you could even remove the restriction of binding plex to station. (The strange one)
The removal of NCP station restriction on another hand is good.

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:44:00 - [64]
 

Meh. No biggie tbh, it's just like carrying T2 salvage.
Lose it, you've only yourself to blame.

On the other side, this might be perceived as a money grab move from CCP. With the Blizzard gale still blowing, the timing is probably at the absolute worst. We're watching CCP. That is all.

Ibn Minion
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:45:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Ibn Minion on 09/07/2010 16:46:34
Originally by: Amerilia
Noone else noticing that CCP is simply greedy?
30 Days of playtime can be destroyed, CCP gets the money and noone gets the playtime Rolling Eyes



This!!

See no point in "fixing" something that ain't broke except for the reason presented by the user I quoted. The change (undocking with plex thats destroyable) will add 0 and give CCP a chance at getting free money! Like someone said, if they made the Plex non destroyable, meaning they would always drop, I'd be happy but they choose the free money way and it makes me a sad panda Crying or Very sad

Edit: for extra tears!

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.07.09 16:50:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Dezolf
Although, if they're still usable from any distance, it's really not much of a change..
The technical aspect of how you apply a PLEX to your account to extend your subscription will be unchanged.

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:52:00 - [67]
 

Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.07.09 16:53:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Polo Ex
I just read the blog, good idea but the only problem is that you didnt mention if we can still activate it anywhere. If thats the case then no one will bother to move it unless they were stupid and created it in a system no where near a market hub.
The technical aspect of how you apply a PLEX to your account to extend your subscription will be unchanged.

TimT7
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:56:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.


This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).

Karbowiak
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:58:00 - [70]
 

ARE YOU BAT**** INSANE?!!!!!?! Laughing

sorry, i just had to.. gj!

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.07.09 16:59:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Minchurra
Quote:
At the same time we're changing the behaviour of the Redeeming system a bit so that items can be redeemed in any station (you could only redeem items in NPC stations before).
From the wording I assume this means we can redeem any item at Outposts/Conquerable stations (eg. "gift ships"), and not just plex, correct?
Yes.

Callic Veratar
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:59:00 - [72]
 

As long as there's a little warning that pops up that says:

"You're undocking with a plex, you're risking losing it by undocking with it."

Kimsemus
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:00:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.


This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).


So what. That person also took the risk of undocking with it to further increase profit on their investment. Once you convert GTC to PLEX they are like ANY other in game item now. Just like someone could go and sell GTC and PLEX to buy a Caldari navy raven or anything else they wanted and lose it that way too. You're operating on the logical farse, and just attaching intrinsic value to the PLEX it doesn't have. It's no different than any other item. And again, I think this bears repeating:

THE MECHANICS OF THE PLEX MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE THE PLEX YOURSELF NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE WITHOUT EVER UNDOCKING WITH IT IN YOUR HOLD. YOU ARE ONLY INCURRING RISK WHEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO INCREASE YOUR OWN PROFIT OFF IT.

Risk vs reward is all EVE ever is. If you don't like that, go play another game.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:00:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Matalino
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PS: Destroyed PLEX = free money for CCP. Makes good business sense as well as game balance sense. Wink

^

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:02:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Dora Lorien
And just what, pray tell, would be the utility of this feature?

CCP doesn't care if you undock with a plex or not. All they care about is removing the special processing rules for the item. PLEX can now be moved just like any other in-game item. The only reason I can see for someone moving PLEX is a trader trying to take advantage of a good margin opportunity. The average CONSUMER of PLEX has no reason whatsoever to remove them from a station.


CCP cares about making the game more interesting.

Game design 101: If you want players to exhibit a certain behaviour, modify the game mechanics so that said behaviour emerges. If you want players to undock with PLEXes, then make undocking with PLEXes necessary.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:02:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.


This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).


and that someone can already get value. add to game time OR redeem and sell at best possible location. guaranteed to succeed.

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:03:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.


This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).


What if they used PLEXs to fund their expensive toys?

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.07.09 17:03:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Clb
So can I undock from Jita 4-4 in a Badger with a PLEX in my cargo and then apply it as soon as an Apoc locks me? Or can it only be applied in the station?
The technical aspect of how you apply a PLEX to your account to extend your subscription will be unchanged. The PLEX must be in a hanger in a station when you apply (previously an NPC station, now a station).

Jarjar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:04:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Callic Veratar
As long as there's a little warning that pops up that says:

"You're undocking with a plex, you're risking losing it by undocking with it."

Shouldn't that warning pop up any time you undock, in that case? The point is to make a PLEX an item like any blaster or stack of antimatter charges.
After all, you can't undock without a pod; usually not without a ship to lose; usually not without modules, and usually not without something in the cargohold you may lose.

TBH I don't really understand why average-empire-Joe would care about this change - just buy your PLEX in Jita, redeem it, then undock. Problem solved. Heck, the problem didn't even begin to exist.

TimT7
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:05:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Kimsemus
Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.


This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).


So what. That person also took the risk of undocking with it to further increase profit on their investment. Once you convert GTC to PLEX they are like ANY other in game item now. Just like someone could go and sell GTC and PLEX to buy a Caldari navy raven or anything else they wanted and lose it that way too. You're operating on the logical farse, and just attaching intrinsic value to the PLEX it doesn't have. It's no different than any other item. And again, I think this bears repeating:

THE MECHANICS OF THE PLEX MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE THE PLEX YOURSELF NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE WITHOUT EVER UNDOCKING WITH IT IN YOUR HOLD. YOU ARE ONLY INCURRING RISK WHEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO INCREASE YOUR OWN PROFIT OFF IT.

Risk vs reward is all EVE ever is. If you don't like that, go play another game.


As the supply of PLEX will diminish while the quantity demanded will remain the same the price of PLEX will go up. PLEX will cost more isk in the future because some of them gets destroyed. If you pay your gametime with isk you will lose due to this change. If you pay your gametime with real money and if you buy isk with real money you will get more isk in the future due to this change. This won't affect my play in anyway as I'm not gonna undock with plex.

Angel HUN
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:09:00 - [81]
 

How big are the PLEX in m3? Will we see people transporting them in Shuttles or Rookie ships? Or will it require a proper hauler or blockade runner?

Kimsemus
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:09:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/07/2010 17:10:33
Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Kimsemus
Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.

Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.


This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).


So what. That person also took the risk of undocking with it to further increase profit on their investment. Once you convert GTC to PLEX they are like ANY other in game item now. Just like someone could go and sell GTC and PLEX to buy a Caldari navy raven or anything else they wanted and lose it that way too. You're operating on the logical farse, and just attaching intrinsic value to the PLEX it doesn't have. It's no different than any other item. And again, I think this bears repeating:

THE MECHANICS OF THE PLEX MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE THE PLEX YOURSELF NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE WITHOUT EVER UNDOCKING WITH IT IN YOUR HOLD. YOU ARE ONLY INCURRING RISK WHEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO INCREASE YOUR OWN PROFIT OFF IT.

Risk vs reward is all EVE ever is. If you don't like that, go play another game.


As the supply of PLEX will diminish while the quantity demanded will remain the same the price of PLEX will go up. PLEX will cost more isk in the future because some of them gets destroyed. If you pay your gametime with isk you will lose due to this change. If you pay your gametime with real money and if you buy isk with real money you will get more isk in the future due to this change. This won't affect my play in anyway as I'm not gonna undock with plex.


Wrong again. You're just arbitrarily assuming the cost will go up. You're also assuming one hundred morons undocking with 5000 PLEX in their holds and then immediately are going to get ganked or die with them. How is this going to affect supply? If anything supply is going to go UP since you can now redeem them in Outposts (Thank god). PLEX won't cost more ISK because they will be destroyed, they will probably cost much less because they can be moved around and suddenly other markets will open up and compete with Jita. More people will buy and use them as they will be more widely available everywhere.

Don't be ridiculous. This is a good change all around. At the end of the day CCP may be the winner if an unredeemed PLEX gets destroyed, but if you think some Ronald Reagan-esque voodoo economic ripple is going to take effect and impact the market from someone losing a badger with a couple of PLEX in his/her hold you need to see a doctor.

The entire blog can be boiled down to one sentence: PLEX is now a trade commodity. Just like Coolant or Robotic Parts. (Which like any other item can be bought with GTC or PLEX selling. Anything in EVE can be bought with real money. Just. Like. PLEX).

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:10:00 - [83]
 

Personally I think this change is a bad one ;p But should i loot a plex from some morons shipwreck.. I may change my opinion YARRRR!!

Fred Flintst0ne
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:10:00 - [84]
 

I like this change... i especially look forward to AAA citizens moving a freighter full of them through a high sec where there happens to be 8 war targets.

YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

That is all

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.07.09 17:11:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Angel HUN
How big are the PLEX in m3?
0.01 m3.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:12:00 - [86]
 

Good move and about time too. As this thread has shown once again certain individual are confused about this and it is better to get rid of that confusion as best you can. PLEXs are now normal items and the mechanics involved don't require you to move them. Those who want just to turn them to ISK can do that with no risk by using available mechanics. The greedy ones who want those few extra millions can take the same risks as with normal items. I'm sure someone will end up losing a PLEX and quit, but that has happened with other items just the same and is an integral part of EVE. Warn and educate PLEX sellers and buyers about the dangers and mechanics available to them, so newbies know about the safe alternatives. After that let them choose what they are going to do with those options just like with everything else in the game. Anyone who loses a PLEX to a gank after that has only himself to blame for not taking the safe option.

Angel HUN
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:14:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Angel HUN on 09/07/2010 17:14:01
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Angel HUN
How big are the PLEX in m3?
0.01 m3.


When I am back in Iceland, I will make sweet love to you in any way you desire.

CopyCatz
Caldari
Brewery Research Ltd
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:14:00 - [88]
 

I sure hope this is legal in all the subscribers home countries.. If I buy a subscription to a magazine, and the paperboy gets podded along the way, I still have the right to receive the copy I paid for. Since when would an online game allow people's subscriptions to be stolen... If anything some annoying US lawyer could have a field day with this Very Happy

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:16:00 - [89]
 

All I can say about this change:
ABOUT DAMN TIME !
Twisted Evil
Totally looking forward to the first few PLEX-laden killmails popping up all across EVE, and the delicious tears of gankees YARRRR!!
Huzzah !

TimT7
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:17:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Kimsemus
Wrong again. You're just arbitrarily assuming the cost will go up. You're also assuming one hundred morons undocking with 5000 PLEX in their holds and then immediately are going to get ganked or die with them. How is this going to affect supply? If anything supply is going to go UP since you can now redeem them in Outposts (Thank god). PLEX won't cost more ISK because they will be destroyed, they will probably cost much less because they can be moved around and suddenly other markets will open up and compete with Jita. More people will buy and use them as they will be more widely available everywhere.

Don't be ridiculous. This is a good change all around. At the end of the day CCP may be the winner if an unredeemed PLEX gets destroyed, but if you think some Ronald Reagan-esque voodoo economic ripple is going to take effect and impact the market from someone losing a badger with a couple of PLEX in his/her hold you need to see a doctor.

The entire blog can be boiled down to one sentence: PLEX is now a trade commodity. Just like Coolant or Robotic Parts. (Which like any other item can be bought with GTC or PLEX selling. Anything in EVE can be bought with real money. Just. Like. PLEX).


It's fun how CCP thinks their subscribers are all morons who don't see the real logic behind this change. This is just plain greedy from CCP and that's the bottom line reason why I don't like the change. I can totally understand the change from CCP's point of view, I would like the free money too without having to provide anything (game content) in return.


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