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neferosis
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:21:00 - [1]
 

CCP why not invest your earnings to make a more enjoyable game to play, lag-free. I see on like every site you have plenty of money spent to get subscriptions, buddy program etc. You guys seem to have shifted to milking out of the company instead of reinvesting into it which makes me sad. :(

Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++. Why would you ever code the server in python when C++ is much more suitable for it.

I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.

Raimus Kallenden
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:24:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard


LOL. You're ridiculous.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:25:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Raimus Kallenden
Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard


LOL. You're ridiculous.

Pollictor
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:30:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: neferosis
CCP why not invest your earnings to make a more enjoyable game to play, lag-free. I see on like every site you have plenty of money spent to get subscriptions, buddy program etc. You guys seem to have shifted to milking out of the company instead of reinvesting into it which makes me sad. :(

Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++. Why would you ever code the server in python when C++ is much more suitable for it.

I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.


If you can code this in a couple months, can you just make me a new spaceship MMO? I've been looking for a new one to play. I'll even pay ya for it if it doesn't suck. Hop to it buddy!

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:43:00 - [5]
 

Learn about programming before you spout bull**** please.

neferosis
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:44:00 - [6]
 

I am an expert in recode methods, I wrote my masters paper on techniques to be most effective in doing so. Its quite odd to see ignorant people saying things can't be done. Surely CCP has enough profits to hire quality people. For one they need to recode pos coding and combat coding.

Whoever did market coding he did a surprising job compared to people in the past. In apple if you coded like this you would be fired on the spot. Of course CCP at one point was a smallish company, they are much larger now and I think they can up their standards on efficiency. They do well as far as content creativity though it could improve, but in relation to their efficiency in delivering their products it is really lacking.

Ghaylenty
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:54:00 - [7]
 

actually besides the troll, there is a good point behind his post.

they obviously did not count on eve being what it is today - or they would have never done it in python, which is overall a very decent language.

i could go onto why c++ is probably NOT the best way to go but i doubt you're even an IT professional.

but for the rest of the posters, you'd be very sad to know just how easy it *could* be to re-optimize eve... they just aren't doing it. it would require a massive concentrated effort.


the issue is not the work itself. that can be done by any of the scripters at ccp (as you know the difference between scripting and coding languages? or assembly? right?). the issue is the logistics as the eve cluster would come down for an unprecedented amount of time.

ccp would have to drop DUST and re-invest half their assets into floodgates because of all the tears flooding the worlds oceans, putting iceland at risk to be drowned in a cascade of QQ.

neferosis
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:58:00 - [8]
 

C++ easy to code and still better than python.

Induc
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:01:00 - [9]
 

So you're giving suggestions on how to optimize Eve without even knowing anything about how Eve is coded?

gl with the trolling in the future.

Blaahlbah
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:04:00 - [10]
 

CCP alts posting ITT

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:04:00 - [11]
 

I would welcome anything ccp could/should do to fix their servers to be lag free.

Even if that means taking it down for an "unprecedented" amount of time.

Free skillpoints anyone? Raise your hands. Very Happy

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:17:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 08/07/2010 21:17:28
Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++.



You are obviously qualified to make such a statement as you already have ported some millions of lines of Python into C++ without any visible change whatsoever, for a software that has similar or equal load to EVE Online.

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: neferosis
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I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.
boy, I was on the verge of taking you seriously until you said that...

AccesiViale
The Artful Dodgers
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:35:00 - [14]
 

...tell you what. How about you show CCP what you can do with CPP in a two week sprint...thats half of eve by your calculation and imaginary skill.

I disagree with pretty much ever call and claim ccp makes technology related but your it takes serious balls to claim you could do better with a more complex language in a month...

Is your contract with apple for writing the whole OSX system by yourself? PS, you're using objective-c...similar...but not the same.

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:39:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: neferosis
CCP why not invest your earnings to make a more enjoyable game to play, lag-free. I see on like every site you have plenty of money spent to get subscriptions, buddy program etc. You guys seem to have shifted to milking out of the company instead of reinvesting into it which makes me sad. :(

Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++. Why would you ever code the server in python when C++ is much more suitable for it.

I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.


5 bucks you're using .NET in your C++ :P

Lutz Major
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:41:00 - [16]
 

From a programmers point of view: LOL!

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:42:00 - [17]
 

He is right though about the issue that they should recode the entire core (especially server side). Can be a PITA to do, but keeping this single threaded crap they call a node means lag will never be fixed. The only way you really can get rid of lag is to at least make it support multi core processors, and preferably make it possible to use several nodes for one system. Even if they fix the dominion lag, the lag will stay since new processors dont become much faster per thread, they just add more threads.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:44:00 - [18]
 

If you really wanna help you should do some reading before opening your mouth. Most of the server code is in C++, and all parts that wherenīt have been redone in C++ for performance reasons, client is still python though. But that really doesnīt affect things all that much.

Zelkath
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:44:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Zelkath on 08/07/2010 21:44:34
Originally by: neferosis
C++ easy to code and still better than python.

Actualy it is Stackless Python. And converting Stackless Python to C++ wouldn't be as easy as you claim. Or have you built a super powerfull libary for C++ to handle microthreads and not relying on the C-stack that you will give to CCP for free?

Captain Vampire
Caldari
Kung Fu Vampire Ninja's
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:02:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Captain Vampire on 08/07/2010 22:01:41
Originally by: Gariuys
If you really wanna help you should do some reading before opening your mouth.

This.

Originally by: Gariuys

Most of the server code is in C++, and all parts that wherenīt have been redone in C++ for performance reasons, client is still python though. But that really doesnīt affect things all that much.


And that.

neferosis
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:04:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: neferosis on 08/07/2010 22:04:02
Its only hard if you don't understand your own coding. I think CCP laid off some of their old developers from what I have studied, hence they do not know their old code and how it works even. Hence they cant even been to translate it, nor do they the capability to start it from scratch due to lack of qualified coders. I really have no idea why ccp hires such people, their profit to cost ratio seems very low.

Also stackless python is a myth, its like putting a band-aid on a gushing wound. It won't stop lag.

Also ccp made like 5 mil profit last year. and you say they cant afford a super computer. And they have almost 50 mil in assets...

Super Computer doesn't go for more than 1 million dollars. And you can probably get a decent one for 500k no problem.


Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:09:00 - [22]
 

Im pretty sure the op is an idiot.


/ not a programmer
// but has done coding in C, C++, Python
/// converting is not that easy.

Xavier Zedicus
Psykotic Meat
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:10:00 - [23]
 

This thread is pretty much lolz, and if this guy is really an Apple employee, it only reaffirms my views that apple has its head up its own ass.

Lutz Major
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Xavier Zedicus
This thread is pretty much lolz, and if this guy is really an Apple employee, it only reaffirms my views that apple has its head up its own ass.
Well, Apple needs "Facility Managers", too Very Happy

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Xavier Zedicus
This thread is pretty much lolz, and if this guy is really an Apple employee, it only reaffirms my views that apple has its head up its own ass.


I think "Apple Employee" speaks volumes in itself lol.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:18:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Drykor on 08/07/2010 22:21:14
Not a bad troll, 5/10

On the off chance you're for real, you're an idiot.
Edit: I just noticed the apple remark. Now I know for sure you're a troll. You could have been someone just off school spouting crap.

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2010.07.09 00:30:00 - [27]
 

Toasting in a ship thread.

Vaneshi SnowCrash
Posted - 2010.07.09 01:12:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: neferosis
Super Computer doesn't go for more than 1 million dollars. And you can probably get a decent one for 500k no problem.


"Super Computer" is a very nebulus term. The bottom of the rankings for them are relativley slow, the top end... not so much. Worth remembering that the ancient Apple 4xG5 Mac Pro was classed as a "Super Computer" and a Core 2 Duo MBP has run rings around it.

It isn't that the hardware is all that expensive, you can go and buy an IBM zSeries and it'll crush most things your average PC hobbiest has wet dreams about owning with half its cores turned off, the SAN misbehaving and two of the redundant PSU's being blown. Used to look after a high end billing system on a P690, the zSeries's predacessor by two generations or so.

But the big box of tricks is only a very small part of the cost. Switches, routers, cables, SAN machines, the team of people to make it all work and maintain it and such are all big costs.

Aralieus
Amarr
Shadowbane Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.09 01:18:00 - [29]
 

kk, ony going to say this once (don't want to **** on your chips too much) HTFU...

Mr SmartGuy
Posted - 2010.07.09 03:09:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: neferosis
CCP why not invest your earnings to make a more enjoyable game to play, lag-free. I see on like every site you have plenty of money spent to get subscriptions, buddy program etc. You guys seem to have shifted to milking out of the company instead of reinvesting into it which makes me sad. :(


You're terribly wrong. I can confirm that lag is there, but they are doing something about it - it just takes time (maybe too much time for someone, but still). Read the dev blogs more often and you'll see just how much they invest in this game. Also, two free expansions every year is not investing?

Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++. Why would you ever code the server in python when C++ is much more suitable for it.


You have no clue what you're talking about hereLaughingLaughingLaughing

Originally by: neferosis
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.


Please, be my guest. I will personally switch to your bug-free game and cancel my subscription here. Also, "a month"LaughingLaughingLaughing. How old are you anyway? (Don't answer that - it was a rhetorical question.)


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