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Mackenzie Lynn
Posted - 2010.07.08 00:43:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mackenzie Lynn on 08/07/2010 00:51:30
Hello all,

Im pretty new to the wormhole scene. My mates and I are enjoying it alot but i got just a couple questions.

Ive read that all WH's will always have a static exit. But can they have multiple exits?

And weve thrown around the idea of setting up in a C2 for a couple weeks. Anyone know about how long you might have to wait for a high or low sec exit to spawn? i.e. Will there be one atleast once a week or so.

Thanks for the help, and any other tips you can offer would be appreciatted.

Edit: A friend and I started out running C2's in our Lokis, RR each others shields. Which turned out to be ridiculously overpowered for c2 sites. But weve never run a c3. What size gang do you guys use to clear c3 sites?

Induc
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.08 03:55:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Induc on 08/07/2010 03:55:58
Yes, wormholes can have multiple statics. It's not that common though.
As for the time in between high/low-sec exits, before you choose a C2 to setup in look it up at http://www.staticmapper.com. It will list the probably static exits the wormhole has.
Most C2's have a static k-space exit.

C3's can be soloed in a heavily tanked Drake (painfully slow), and comfortably in a Legion or a Tengu. (I'm sure it can also be done in a Proteus or a Loki).

Stick Cult
Posted - 2010.07.08 06:45:00 - [3]
 

2 Lokis remote repping each other would easily do C3s, add in 1 or 2 more Lokis/Tengus (the shields are the key, RR Proteus or Legion would work with eachother, but not your Lokis or Tengus), you can do C4s, at least.

C2s having multiple STATIC exits is rare. However, sometimes random exits (actually entrances) can spawn into your wormhole, just don't count on them.

A C2 will almost always have a wormhole to highsec, and the occasional lowsec. Keep in mind that as soon as a static wormhole despawns, and all wormholes have at least one static, a new wormhole will spawn right away. So you will always have a way out, just not in the same place.

Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.08 11:51:00 - [4]
 

Max exit from a wormhole is 7. Overall wormholes with 2 statics are rare. Not sure about data on WH with 3 statics.

T3 are able to solo C3 easily if fit well. Even Drakes can do it but painfully slow. 3 average Drakes would take 12 mins to clear a Frontier Outpost
In the past we have generally used 3 - 18 ships to clear C3 . 18 ships is for C3 with > 40 sites

Guillieme Lohran
Posted - 2010.07.08 11:59:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 08/07/2010 16:24:50
Perhaps it is a constellation thing but all the C2s I've run have had at least 2 statics. One to either low or highsec and one to another C2. My system has a C2 and Lowsec static.

So you will have an exit to k-space at all times.

Your pair of Lokis should easily be able to run C3s. I breeze through C2s in my Proteus. Even multiple battleship spawn in Mag sites dont' drop my armor lower than 85% unless I kill a repper because of cap issues (lots of cap sucking frigs). A pair of RR Lokis should be able to handle some of the lower end C4 sites at least.

(edited because it didn't make any sense.)

Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.07.08 12:00:00 - [6]
 

holy lots of bad info batman.

All C2s have 2 static exits. They are always 1 to k-space and 1 to w-space.

All w-space systems other than a C2 have 1 static only. C1/C3 this is always to k-space, C4/5/6 its always to w-space.

There is also no hard cap on outgoing/incoming wormholes. Its just probability based. We've seen systems multiple times with 9 wormholes, and at times seen 5 outgoing or 5 incoming wormholes. this "cap of 7" nonsense was started by arcdragon I think with minimal experience to actually back it up and then perpetuated by people with limited experience.

Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.08 14:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
holy lots of bad info batman.

All C2s have 2 static exits. They are always 1 to k-space and 1 to w-space.

All w-space systems other than a C2 have 1 static only. C1/C3 this is always to k-space, C4/5/6 its always to w-space.

There is also no hard cap on outgoing/incoming wormholes. Its just probability based. We've seen systems multiple times with 9 wormholes, and at times seen 5 outgoing or 5 incoming wormholes. this "cap of 7" nonsense was started by arcdragon I think with minimal experience to actually back it up and then perpetuated by people with limited experience.


Seems like you are extrapolating your data & coming up with conclusions & totally disregarding what other people have scanned / noted.
Doubt the data you have is inclusive of all wormhole systems.

Others have already contradicted your statements based on what they have scanned
WH thread
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I'd expect someone from Aharm to know better.

C3 can have statics to wh space (and no I'm not talking about constellation/regional statics). I have been in quite a few C3 systems with static C3 (and no static to k-space).

C2 do not all have double statics. In fact the vast majority do not.


Even a leisure look at the static mapper website by REGION which is compiled with info from different pilots show system other then C2 with dual statics
Staticmapper

As for the 7 WH cap, I will give you that cause its proprietary information to me. At the time no one contradicted it.

Scoto Timta
EveMerc's
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:15:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Stovo kor
Seems like you are extrapolating your data & coming up with conclusions & totally disregarding what other people have scanned / noted.
Doubt the data you have is inclusive of all wormhole systems.
Others have already contradicted your statements based on what they have scanned
WH thread

Since CCP has not told us anything official, we are ALL extrapolating, aren't we? I'm not aware of anyone who has done a thorough survey of every wormhole system, staying in there for 2 or 3 days (or more) to verify that a particular exit is static. So our info is based on pilot experiences. Much of what he said matches with my experience and was not contradicted in that thread. It is probably a bit strong for him to say that NO system except C2 has double static, since he hasn't been in every one of them, but it might be true. I don't know.

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Even a leisure look at the static mapper website by REGION which is compiled with info from different pilots show system other then C2 with dual statics
Staticmapper

One question I would have about that site, though... Since it is based on pilot reports, and we all know that a lot of pilots still don't understand what a STATIC wormhole is, can you guarantee that the info is accurate? Seems like a very useful site to me, but I would be leery of trusting it to prove my statements about what statics do or do not exist, given the source of the data. I think that's why the site calls them "Probable" statics.

Stick Cult
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
holy lots of bad info batman.

All C2s have 2 static exits. They are always 1 to k-space and 1 to w-space.

All w-space systems other than a C2 have 1 static only. C1/C3 this is always to k-space, C4/5/6 its always to w-space.

Ok, you're simply wrong here. I lived in a C2 (painful..) for a while with only 1 static, to k-space. We would get the occasional K162 from another wormhole, but that's obviously not static. Razz

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There is also no hard cap on outgoing/incoming wormholes. Its just probability based. We've seen systems multiple times with 9 wormholes, and at times seen 5 outgoing or 5 incoming wormholes. this "cap of 7" nonsense was started by arcdragon I think with minimal experience to actually back it up and then perpetuated by people with limited experience.

This, I can't exactly say you're wrong, but I do know that the theory says a max of 7 STATIC exits, being outgoing. Later on (wherever it was, I think one of arcdragon's posts) he says he found a system with something like 10, but only 7 were outgoing, and 3 were incoming, so it still fits in his theory.

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:53:00 - [10]
 

You can do the easier C4 anoms with a pair of Lokis too - actually you can do all of them, but safeguards can ruin your day quickly if you're really unlucky and trying to break a giant RR-fest with two ships isn't all that much fun. Barracks and CP aren't a problem though.

khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.07.09 06:50:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
holy lots of bad info batman.

All C2s have 2 static exits. They are always 1 to k-space and 1 to w-space.

All w-space systems other than a C2 have 1 static only. C1/C3 this is always to k-space, C4/5/6 its always to w-space.

There is also no hard cap on outgoing/incoming wormholes. Its just probability based. We've seen systems multiple times with 9 wormholes, and at times seen 5 outgoing or 5 incoming wormholes. this "cap of 7" nonsense was started by arcdragon I think with minimal experience to actually back it up and then perpetuated by people with limited experience.



I dont know what info you are using m8 but alot of what you have writen is just plain wrong.
C2's are not the only whs with more than 1 static exit and this is based on experiance not guessing. C2s,C3s and C4s can definately have more than 1 static and we have come across 4 C5s with what looked to be 2 statics but 4 is not enough data to make firm conclusions. The 'cap of 7 whs' is wrong as we also have seen holes with more than 7 although they are rare.

I know AHARM has access to better info than this.

Rada Ionesco
Caldari
Royal Enterprise
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2010.07.12 16:31:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Rada Ionesco on 12/07/2010 16:32:10
Like any of this matters now, CCP messed with WH mechanics sometime around Tyrannis. Many people I know who live in semi-neighboring w-space systems have noticed what I have noticed too-mainly that there are allot more WH spawns in w-space systems now. Not all K162 either, for the last few weeks we have an average of 3-4 non K162 WH spawns in our C2 where there was traditionally only two statics (one to hisec and one to a C4). I my mind it is empirical now, they changed the mechanics on spawns. These multiple spawns only used to happen once in a great while, and this is from a group of guys who are scanning out a hi-sec WH every day or so.

Guillieme Lohran
Posted - 2010.07.12 17:43:00 - [13]
 

I actually seem to have seen this as well. My system seems to spawn extra named holes much more than it did before. There also seem to be more 162s into my system as well. Could be a statistical anomaly but things do seem different.

Price cheka
Posted - 2010.07.12 19:08:00 - [14]
 

maybe its something to do with this
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314015&page=1
Very Happy

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2010.07.12 19:38:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rada Ionesco
Edited by: Rada Ionesco on 12/07/2010 16:32:10
Like any of this matters now, CCP messed with WH mechanics sometime around Tyrannis. Many people I know who live in semi-neighboring w-space systems have noticed what I have noticed too-mainly that there are allot more WH spawns in w-space systems now. Not all K162 either, for the last few weeks we have an average of 3-4 non K162 WH spawns in our C2 where there was traditionally only two statics (one to hisec and one to a C4). I my mind it is empirical now, they changed the mechanics on spawns. These multiple spawns only used to happen once in a great while, and this is from a group of guys who are scanning out a hi-sec WH every day or so.


Yeah I heard invention got messed up with Tyrannis too. I did 10 jobs and they all failed!

::tinfoil::


 

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