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Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.13 13:09:00 - [631]
 

Please,

Can you link here the content of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA) ?

I'm interested to see what the CSM can do or not ?

If the NDA is under an NDA, then CSM can't do anything for us.
CCP rules all.

Yeay

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.09.13 14:28:00 - [632]
 

Originally by: Yeay Fritg
Can you link here the content of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA) ?

I'm interested to see what the CSM can do or not ?

CSM can't publish internal CCP documents or discussions without prior agreement with CCP. This is pretty much standard operating practice for any development company.

CSM can and do publish CSM meetings except for sections covered by the above.


Originally by: Yeay Fritg
If the NDA is under an NDA, then CSM can't do anything for us.

Incorrect. Because CSM are under NDA we can discuss and get feedback on items which CCP don't wish to make public yet (though this doesn't happen very often)

Also CSM can and do raise player issues and get items into the Eve backlog for future development, which doesn't touch the NDA at all.


Can you please pick one thread and stick to it instead of cross posting the same questions in different places?

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.09.14 06:49:00 - [633]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 14/09/2010 06:51:07
Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Yeay Fritg

Stuff...


Can you please pick one thread and stick to it instead of cross posting the same questions in different places?


He apparently quit eve as posted here. So I'm not sure why he is spending his time on these forums in the first place.

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.14 08:28:00 - [634]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson



Using at best my remaining time to see if something can change or if will simply be forgotten...you know people say they will answer and after some weeks everybody is bored to wait. Well CCP communication way.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.09.15 12:16:00 - [635]
 

*click*

Rolling Eyes

Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:50:00 - [636]
 

Originally by: Yeay Fritg
Originally by: JC Anderson



Using at best my remaining time to see if something can change or if will simply be forgotten...you know people say they will answer and after some weeks everybody is bored to wait. Well CCP communication way.


What would you like to see change, Yeay?

If you're upset that there are minimal details surrounding Ankh's removal from CSM due to CCP's statement, I'm afraid you won't get the answer you're looking for.

Kangtar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.12 11:46:00 - [637]
 

So we ever gonna find out if CCP had her killed then?

mysterious disappearance is mysterious.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.10.13 09:36:00 - [638]
 

Edited by: Extreme on 13/10/2010 09:43:53

You may like Ankh or may hate her, it doesn't matter anymore.

As former CSM all i can say is that Ankh was, in her way, passionate for her task as CSM and it doesn't matter anymore if you agree or disagree on her ways and views.

She did 2 full terms and a short part of the 5th council x 20hours work a week invested in CSM, totals around 1500hours.

I'm sure that being removed from CSM for Ankh personally had to be very painful.

What i personally dislike are the people that keep bashing and kicking people that are already knocked out on the floor.
Why can't yall just stop stirring up the **** and let this topic end?

Respectfully,


Extreme





Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:23:00 - [639]
 

Originally by: Extreme
Edited by: Extreme on 13/10/2010 09:43:53

You may like Ankh or may hate her, it doesn't matter anymore.

As former CSM all i can say is that Ankh was, in her way, passionate for her task as CSM and it doesn't matter anymore if you agree or disagree on her ways and views.

She did 2 full terms and a short part of the 5th council x 20hours work a week invested in CSM, totals around 1500hours.

I'm sure that being removed from CSM for Ankh personally had to be very painful.

What i personally dislike are the people that keep bashing and kicking people that are already knocked out on the floor.
Why can't yall just stop stirring up the **** and let this topic end?

Respectfully,


Extreme







I would agree this is flogging a dead horse that has already left the barn, which long since caught fire and burned to the ground. That said, the real dissappointment is that so many people failed to see Ahnk was all about Ahnk, and nothing else. Many folks tried to warn the voters but were overwhelmed by the voices of the missinformed fanboys. No one that worked with Ahnk in her first CSM terms wanted to work with her again. She was like a spoiled child when she didn't get her way and some of us tried to let folks know.

Although she may have worked a lot and had "passion" for her efforts, I think she was net negative to the online social experiment in virtual goverment that the CSM is. It is interesting though she managed to create such a large cult of personality about her claim to represent the carebears when clearly she never was able to with any effectiveness. I think one thing any CSM would tell you that no matter what your views of Eve might be, to be an effective member of the CSM you have to play well with other members of the CSM to make sure the CSM can present a unified voice to CCP when needed. Ahnk never learned that.

I can say I am sure her removal from the CSM must have been crushing for her personally. She is the sort of person that will remain bitter and angry about that for the rest of her life. If there really was an NDA issue she might have also suffered a career set back that could haunt her for some time. She is also clearly no longer involved in the greater Eve community in any manner and this was one of her favorite places to mine large volumes of hot gasses that maintained the size of her ego (nothing wrong with a large ego, makes for some fun times in the context of internet spaceships!). So everyone should realize she really paid a price for whatever CCP decided she did. I think way more than most Eve players would have under similar situations.

So what I hope folks take from the while thing isn't just about Ahnk. I'd hope if there is a lesson or two its that CCP does take the NDA seriously (as well as other aspects of the conduct of the CSM) and that when voting for a CSM candidate try and pick someone that seems to be able to work with other folks to be effective at representing you to CCP.

Issler

Doris Dents
Kismet Inc
Posted - 2010.10.22 18:09:00 - [640]
 

Originally by: Kangtar
So we ever gonna find out if CCP had her killed then?

mysterious disappearance is mysterious.


Protip: she left because he hates Eve and would much rather be somebody in Puzzle Pirates. Once another trip to Iceland or CV padding wasn't on the cards there was no reason to stick around.

The carebear vote got played.

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.11.24 23:03:00 - [641]
 

This thread should never die and never forget. I encourage people to search for "Eve Jobse" on Google and star the appropriate search results.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.25 08:31:00 - [642]
 

Eva.

Viktoria Potsfel
Posted - 2010.12.03 08:00:00 - [643]
 

Edited by: Viktoria Potsfel on 03/12/2010 08:00:41
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Furb Killer

As long as there is no reason given there is no reason to assume she did something worse than lark. Maybe she was also asked to resign but refused. Lark attempted to get ingame advantage using his CSM info, if ankh just leaked something it isnt as bad imo. But that is pretty pointless speculation.


Ah, furb killer, always quick to jump the defend-ankh bandwagon.

I for one am happy to say that I also do not know what she did and thus I cannot comment on whether it was 'worse' than what lark did. (apparently there is a clearly defined scale of those things somewhere, please point me to it!).

In fact it doesn't matter what she did, the consequence is what matters.


Its not important if hes guilty.. its important we got an execution? lol


Troeg Artheon
Gallente
Starfire Oasis
Infinite Conflux
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:02:00 - [644]
 

Funny how she hasn't listed CCP under her 2010 employment history on her CV. I guess she wouldn't want a potential employer calling CCP asking about her previous employment with them... oh wait, nevermind.

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.12.16 15:09:00 - [645]
 

Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Funny how she hasn't listed CCP under her 2010 employment history on her CV. I guess she wouldn't want a potential employer calling CCP asking about her previous employment with them... oh wait, nevermind.
She still has CCP listed from 2008-2009.

I also notice that she LARPs.

Ankh has gone from crazy to downright creepy.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:17:00 - [646]
 

Let it die already.

Rike Ewann
Posted - 2010.12.22 00:05:00 - [647]
 

Why let it die?
She wanted to remove pvp from EVE.
HAHAHAHAHA Bye Eva and please don't come back.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.22 05:44:00 - [648]
 

No, seriously.
She was insane. Now she's gone.
Let it go.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.27 11:21:00 - [649]
 

If it was indeed CCP tripping over her having divulged comments about them preferring new shinies over fixing existing stuff, then I can see their point. It doesn't matter whether or not everyone knows already, or supects the same: these things were said in confidentiality, and should remain there.

CCP is taking a rather unique position in the gaming industry, allowing the CSM so much real participation. That trust should not be shamed, even when you hear insider stuff you dislike hearing. That stuff should remain inside chambers; and if you leak it, you should indeed be expelled. If not, CCP can no longer trust the CSM, which would mean they would no longer share anything real with them.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.28 00:00:00 - [650]
 

CCP would have opened themselves up to a substantial lawsuit if they'd fabricated an NDA charge against Ank. The fact that she said she'd be able to show how it was fabricated "tomorrow", and said that months and months ago, points to CCP not only not fabricating it, but Ank not being able to argue it.

Just let it go, it's over.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.11 20:05:00 - [651]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 11/01/2011 20:36:17
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Extreme
Edited by: Extreme on 13/10/2010 09:43:53

You may like Ankh or may hate her, it doesn't matter anymore.

As former CSM all i can say is that Ankh was, in her way, passionate for her task as CSM and it doesn't matter anymore if you agree or disagree on her ways and views.

She did 2 full terms and a short part of the 5th council x 20hours work a week invested in CSM, totals around 1500hours.

I'm sure that being removed from CSM for Ankh personally had to be very painful.

What i personally dislike are the people that keep bashing and kicking people that are already knocked out on the floor.
Why can't yall just stop stirring up the **** and let this topic end?

Respectfully,


Extreme







I would agree this is flogging a dead horse that has already left the barn, which long since caught fire and burned to the ground. That said, the real dissappointment is that so many people failed to see Ahnk was all about Ahnk, and nothing else. Many folks tried to warn the voters but were overwhelmed by the voices of the missinformed fanboys. No one that worked with Ahnk in her first CSM terms wanted to work with her again. She was like a spoiled child when she didn't get her way and some of us tried to let folks know.

Although she may have worked a lot and had "passion" for her efforts, I think she was net negative to the online social experiment in virtual goverment that the CSM is. It is interesting though she managed to create such a large cult of personality about her claim to represent the carebears when clearly she never was able to with any effectiveness. I think one thing any CSM would tell you that no matter what your views of Eve might be, to be an effective member of the CSM you have to play well with other members of the CSM to make sure the CSM can present a unified voice to CCP when needed. Ahnk never learned that.

I can say I am sure her removal from the CSM must have been crushing for her personally. She is the sort of person that will remain bitter and angry about that for the rest of her life. If there really was an NDA issue she might have also suffered a career set back that could haunt her for some time. She is also clearly no longer involved in the greater Eve community in any manner and this was one of her favorite places to mine large volumes of hot gasses that maintained the size of her ego (nothing wrong with a large ego, makes for some fun times in the context of internet spaceships!). So everyone should realize she really paid a price for whatever CCP decided she did. I think way more than most Eve players would have under similar situations.

So what I hope folks take from the while thing isn't just about Ahnk. I'd hope if there is a lesson or two its that CCP does take the NDA seriously (as well as other aspects of the conduct of the CSM) and that when voting for a CSM candidate try and pick someone that seems to be able to work with other folks to be effective at representing you to CCP.

Issler
Sour old bag says what? Your post, Issler, shows exactly how well you work and play with others as well as the lasting resentment you carry. The hypocrisy involved in accusing Ankh of such things while displaying them yourself is nothing short of astounding. Ironically I’d respected you until this hate filled post of yours.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.11 20:28:00 - [652]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 11/01/2011 20:35:06
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
CCP would have opened themselves up to a substantial lawsuit if they'd fabricated an NDA charge against Ank. The fact that she said she'd be able to show how it was fabricated "tomorrow", and said that months and months ago, points to CCP not only not fabricating it, but Ank not being able to argue it.

Just let it go, it's over.
Not necessarily true. In lawsuits the winner is often predetermined by who has the largest legal war chest. Safe to say, CCP’s is probably bigger. That having been said, NDA’s being what they are and the CSM being what it is, it is likely that any of the CSM could have been and still could be charged with an NDA violation…..technically. And that technicality could be used to successfully defend in any lawsuit brought against CCP no matter how insignificant the breach of NDA.

Ankh’s silence is understandable and was predictable, though disappointing. Under an NDA someone can not only be removed from the CSM, but a violation of the NDA can be used as basis for a lawsuit filed by CCP against the violator. The suit doesn’t have to have merit and can be based upon the smallest of perceived violations. Also, someone who causes a corporation grief can easily be sued for damages based solely upon what they say about the corporation even without the NDA being a part of the equation.

All of which points to a plausible scenario in which Ankh may well have been told she’d be putting herself at considerable risk by pursuing a verbal and/or legal campaign against CCP with little chance of success. CCP wouldn’t even have to threaten her. Her own common sense and perhaps advise from legal counsel would be enough.

-Windjammer

Troeg Artheon
Gallente
Starfire Oasis
Infinite Conflux
Posted - 2011.01.12 21:50:00 - [653]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Her own common sense and perhaps advise from legal counsel would be enough.



It would have to be the latter, everyone knows she has none of the former.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.13 03:20:00 - [654]
 

Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Originally by: Windjammer
Her own common sense and perhaps advise from legal counsel would be enough.



It would have to be the latter, everyone knows she has none of the former.
Really. Everyone. That's a broad statement and easily disproven. For instance my experience with her gives lie to your statement. Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.

It’s very easy to take shots at someone when they’re not around to defend themselves. Even easier when you don’t care what you say or have any regard for the accuracy of what you say. It speaks more to your level of common sense than it says anything about Ankh.

-Windjammer

Troeg Artheon
Gallente
Starfire Oasis
Infinite Conflux
Posted - 2011.01.13 18:40:00 - [655]
 

Originally by: Windjammer

Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.


And exactly how many of those votes were made by well-informed Eve citizens? I doubt it was a large number. It's been proven plenty of times in the past, during elections, that a majority of the votes placed are made by those who are not familiar with the positions their selected candidates represent. It's all about exposure or feelings for most voters (otherwise how would Palin be so popular) and not knowledge of platforms.

Originally by: Windjammer

Even easier when you don’t care what you say or have any regard for the accuracy of what you say.


My common sense tells me that during meetings I should not use utensils as projectiles. Anybody's common sense should tell them not to do that. That's just one example, I won't list any more as there are plenty of examples on these forums of her lack of common sense.

captain foivos
Posted - 2011.01.14 02:55:00 - [656]
 

ENSIGN! LOAD SPOONS AND PREPARE TO FIRE!

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.01.14 17:32:00 - [657]
 

just wanna repeat that this dumb broad being removed from the CSM is pretty much the highlight of the CSM

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.14 18:01:00 - [658]
 

Nine replies short of 666.
Nevar forget!

Shaemell Buttleson
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:05:00 - [659]
 

Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Nine replies short of 666.
Nevar forget!


Oh well bump!Cool


Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.15 01:09:00 - [660]
 

Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Originally by: Windjammer

Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.


And exactly how many of those votes were made by well-informed Eve citizens? I doubt it was a large number. It's been proven plenty of times in the past, during elections, that a majority of the votes placed are made by those who are not familiar with the positions their selected candidates represent. It's all about exposure or feelings for most voters (otherwise how would Palin be so popular) and not knowledge of platforms.
This latest from you is easy rationalization from a one dimensional person and close to the edge of text book circular logic. i.e. “They’re ill-informed if they voted for Ankh and well informed if they voted for your candidate………….. because you say they are”

Ironically, you just lent support to my assertion that you were wrong to say “everyone knows she has none of the former” (referring to common sense). Unless you’re saying all those people supported her and voted for her while thinking she had no common sense.

Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Originally by: Windjammer

Even easier when you don’t care what you say or have any regard for the accuracy of what you say.


My common sense tells me that during meetings I should not use utensils as projectiles. Anybody's common sense should tell them not to do that. That's just one example, I won't list any more as there are plenty of examples on these forums of her lack of common sense.
By your reasoning, anyone who has suffered a fit of anger is lacking in common sense. That would include a lot of people. Almost certainly every person in the world including all the leaders. Some of whom have made very public spectacles of their anger including the use of thrown objects. They suffered a lapse in judgment, but it cannot be reasonably argued that they were all without any common sense. Of course, I exempt you from the above due to the shiny little halo you’ve got going there.

As for the rest of your “plenty of examples”? I would hazard a guess that it is sufficient for a point of view to be different from your own for you to judge it based upon a lack of common sense.

-Windjammer


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