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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:49:00 - [31]
 

That was one. If I'm lucky it'll be two.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:49:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Nice going CCP, so you are kicking out the only CSM that actually dares to stand up for the playerbase,
Ehm… in what way? She certainly doesn't represent my interests in any way, shape, or form, and doesn't in the slightest "stand up for" anything I'd like to take to or from the CSM meetings.
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And her replacement? Another elitist pvp'er, the people that CCP so love to favor.
Good. Seems suitable, being a PvP game and all… Wink


This.

I don't actually dislike her, but if you agree to a NDA than it seems reasonable, that you get into trouble if you break it. If CCP can't trust her, she really had no future as a CSM member and put the need to tell about the things she heard above presenting the people who voted for her.

Jan Forjeu
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:50:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Darth Vapour
This is very much like an old school totalitarian purge. Yesterday's hero is today's enemy of the people and the trial already ended with a guilty verdict. You'd better not ask for what crime or you'll get the knock on the door in the middle of the night too.


Who's this yesterday's hero you're talking about?

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:50:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Johan Moisander
Nice going CCP, so you are kicking out the only CSM that actually dares to stand up for the playerbase, that doesn't just use the CSM charade (because that's what it is) as a way to get a free trip to Iceland, and for what? For actually trying to keep the community informed, for being the only one promote the transparency which was the WHOLE POINT WITH THE CSM IN THE FIRST PLACE?



If you have evidence that Ankh didn't breach the NDA, that's one thing. Otherwise, you're defending her purely based on her personality, which is immaterial here (either way).

I also take issue with your assertion that the other CSMs don't "stand up for the playerbase". Her decision to promote her own personal CSM wiki rather than work with others, by the way, is the opposite of transparency.

Squat Hardpeck
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:51:00 - [35]
 

Justice was done today. I wish to thank CCP for the removal of this unsavory candidate.

Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:53:00 - [36]
 

Perhaps CCP was going to implement a new turret that launched spoons, and her chucking it at a meeting was breaching the NDA?

Humor aside, I feel this is a good change to the CSM.

Hegbard
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:03:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz


Just a general FYI; she was *not* kicked over stuff mentioned in her CSM blog.


It sounds like you know what was breached and through saying what that information is not you have narrowed the search space and through that also disclosed confidential information thereby breaching the NDA yourself.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:04:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Hegbard
Originally by: Sokratesz


Just a general FYI; she was *not* kicked over stuff mentioned in her CSM blog.


It sounds like you know what was breached and through saying what that information is not you have narrowed the search space and through that also disclosed confidential information thereby breaching the NDA yourself.


Well this was an obvious conclusion since multiple CSM members posted the sentiments that were echoed in her blog, so no, I am not breaking the NDA here. In fact we aren't being told anything either so I'm in the dark as much as you.

Braskyte
Unknowable Elite
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:04:00 - [39]
 

About time dam time Ankhesentapemkah got kicked. And yes - my lvl 120 legendary paladin helmet allows me to see through the laughable attempts to defend by Ankhesentapemkah White knights.

Sub Trader
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:05:00 - [40]
 

everyone knows the csm is a waste of time, ccp spending subscription money on shipping some players to iceland instead of buying better hardware and improving the game especially in 0.0.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:06:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
You all realize that the CSM is nothing more than a PR thing for CCP. I love CCP, I consider myself a fanboi, but in reality any type of player interaction on that kind of level is just a PR thing. Will they use the interaction with the CSM for planning development to some degree? Yes. Will it really make any huge difference in the direction of EVE? Not really.

Why would you sit there and bite the hand that feeds you so to speak and not expect consequences for it? It's not surprising she got booted, if I was CCP, I'd be kicking her to the curb too, it's bad PR to have crap like that said when you're SUPPOSED to be doing something to improve public relations for them.

I would not be surprised if her "observations" on CCPs attitude were a wee bit skewed anyways. CCP isn't some giant governemental agency out to oppress it's players etc...they will do what they need to do to produce a product that will garner more sales for them, that's the whole point of being an entertainment company. Too many people treat gaming companies and developers like they are "the man" and do this angsty teen rebellion crap.

She seemed pretty useless anyways.

I would not be surprised if they ended up cancelling the CSM soon and just rely on feedback from some of the more vocal and level-headed posters on the forums like a lot of gaming companies do. The CSM was a good idea on paper, but from watching it here and there, I think it's turning into a PR disaster.


^ What the wise man said.

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:06:00 - [42]
 

She leaked information about Mechanical Parts, apparently something that will cause a huge price spike for those.

Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Original Sin.
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:06:00 - [43]
 

I've been one of Ankh's harshest critics, but I have got to say this rubs me the wrong way. We have no idea what kind of material Ankh released, no idea how serious the NDA breach was, no idea about ANYTHING, really. To be perfectly frank it looks as though CCP is trying to intimidate the CSM after the disaster that was the Iceland summit. CCP, we need details. You cannot simply fire a player-elected representative without explaining to us what the hell is going on.

Well, I guess you can--but it won't make you look very good.

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:09:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Steve Celeste
She leaked information about Mechanical Parts, apparently something that will cause a huge price spike for those.

Smoothly done, that man.

Lorkin Desal
Caldari
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:12:00 - [45]
 

Is p.obvious that it was a hell of a lot more serious then Larkonisgate as CCP havn't released any info.

I'm under the assumption that she leaked subscriber info or game plans to another company, rather then messing around with the balance of eve (market manipulation lol)

wouldnt be suprised if ankh finds herself in "real" trouble if this is the case.

ps did i say lol arleady, roll on T'amber for a sub.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:13:00 - [46]
 

everyone already suspected that CCP has been doing nothing NOTHING NOTHING about performance issues on the server.

Issues we've had since December.
Code problems that somehow were to be fixed with a networking upgrade? (LOL)

I've had this rotting feeling in my gut that it wasn't that ccp didn't want to fix the problem, it's that they have no one there that CAN, that actually knows how.
And they DONT! All the people that know code are off working on some other ******ed project.

So here we are 7 months out from the beginning of the problems, and likely another 7 months before you (CCP) even attempts to address the problem. (..carry the 2) I'm supposed to shell out literally hundreds of dollars in subscription to a game you bastards KNOW isn't going to work at any given time and take dust and incarna development as my reconciliation?????

HOW ABOUT NO


seriously, have you not heard AT ALL that the vast majority of your players want FUNCTION OVER FORM!

We want to be able to play eve. #1 first and foremost
WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT SHINY THIS AND THAT CRAP, ARE YOU LOT ******ED? HOW CAN YOU HAVE SUCH A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF FAIL PRIORITIES!?!?


I shouldn't be surprised, i'm sure some 'manager' that gets paid too much to think about things he knows nothing about has ordered FULL STEAM AHEAD on development of new features.

That nice steady incline of customers you've seen? Wait till they realize you care less about retaining them and more about attracting more new ones.

I'm having real trouble justifying my account payments now. I do NOT want to quit eve, but if this is the only option i have left to voice my opinion then what else should i do.

It's not like you lot are listening.

FIX THE ******* GAME. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
It's not like we aren't used to waiting for features long after their promised (or never get delivered at all) at the end of the day we want to be able to play the ******* GAME.

Find the idiot that thinks new shinys are good idea and wants to blame CSM people for telling the truth when his stupid ideas are ruining eve and have them read this post. Then try to convey to him just how many of his customers feel the exact same way.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:17:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Crawford McKinley
ye i'm gonna go ahead and say this was because she made the comment about CCP's position regarding them doing jack **** about fixing the game as shinies are more important to them.

guess CCP don't read SHC forums or anywhere else as mynxee and other CSM's said exactly the same thing lol


Now come Mynxee, Socratez, TeaDaze and Traebor didn't get kicked as well then?

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:19:00 - [48]
 

what is this larkonisgate thing? back from when apoc came out and gates went ******ed? I didn't pay attention to CSM until recently.

Jason1138
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:19:00 - [49]
 

well all know CCP is all about the integrity of their various relationships with the players so this is no surprise


lol, for real. why not just say they booted her cause they felt like it? CCP doesn't give a crap about the CSM or the average player either, everyone knows that. they aren't "protecting" anything other than their own butthurt feelings probably

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:21:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mithfindel


ADAM RIDGWAY!


Sup bro.

Originally by: Lorkin Desal
Is p.obvious that it was a hell of a lot more serious then Larkonisgate as CCP havn't released any info.

I'm under the assumption that she leaked subscriber info or game plans to another company, rather then messing around with the balance of eve (market manipulation lol)

wouldnt be suprised if ankh finds herself in "real" trouble if this is the case.

ps did i say lol arleady, roll on Mazz for a sub.



Agreed and fixed.

Areo Hotah
Paxton Industries
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:23:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Cyrus Doul
what is this larkonisgate thing? back from when apoc came out and gates went ******ed? I didn't pay attention to CSM until recently.


Larkonis Trassler was in the CSM.
After a meeting with CCP where they announced the complete revamp of the T2 material requirements, he bought a ****load of technitium, aka inside trading. Although he said he had looked at the market and saw a big spike in demand, so assumed the secret was already out.

He was forced to resign.

sir gankalot
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:25:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
That was one. If I'm lucky it'll be two.


Let's hope Sok get's sacked too yes, he can't stop screaming on the net about how he doesn't take his CSM job 'super serious' and stuff like that... Neutral

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:28:00 - [53]
 

Trust, as we learn playing eve, is a difficult thing...

I can't really say I'm sorry to see Eva go, as I didn't get along with her really well... However I'm very sad this happened to the CSM.
Most of us on the CSM are people with whom CCP has learned to dialog with, and the newest additions (Mynxee and Trebor) fared well in that regard.
Anything that undermines CCP's ability/propension to have open and honest discussions with us annoys me.

I don't know what Eva did. What I do know however is that it's different from Larkonis. Larkonis got drunk, ****ed up, and admitted it to CCP, he got offered the chance to resign, and he took it.

Eva seems to be a different thing altogether, since she got booted, and didn't resign... What for? I have no idea... Maybe we'll know, maybe we won't.


MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:30:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 07/07/2010 18:30:25
Originally by: solidshot
The only players she represented are the whiny little carebears that have helped erode this game over the past couple of years...
I'm fairly sure she wasn't representing you and your ilk, so what you say can't be true.


Dregek
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:32:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Dregek on 07/07/2010 18:33:05
Edited by: Dregek on 07/07/2010 18:32:34
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo338/dannyuk99/crucified-teddy-bear.jpg


Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:32:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Areo Hotah
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
what is this larkonisgate thing? back from when apoc came out and gates went ******ed? I didn't pay attention to CSM until recently.


Larkonis Trassler was in the CSM.
After a meeting with CCP where they announced the complete revamp of the T2 material requirements, he bought a ****load of technitium, aka inside trading. Although he said he had looked at the market and saw a big spike in demand, so assumed the secret was already out.

He was forced to resign.


It wasn't Tech. It was in fact something that went down in value post Dominion :sadtrombone: and no specific details of changes (moongoo or otherwise) were released to us. The spike was caused by a (rather rich) corpmate of mine acting on his own to try and manipulate the market for that particular good (he wasn't aware of anything that I knew), hard to believe I know, but trust me on this. In my semi inebriated state I put two and two together, got 5 and foolishly acted.

Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:32:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Anything that undermines CCP's ability/propension to have open and honest discussions with us annoys me.



Mostly this. Shame it had to happen two years in a row. As a player I appreciate the attempts of CCP to create a channel to the player base, even though it does not result in any immediate/visible changes.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:34:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 18:35:52
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Trust, as we learn playing eve, is a difficult thing...

I can't really say I'm sorry to see Eva go, as I didn't get along with her really well... However I'm very sad this happened to the CSM.
Most of us on the CSM are people with whom CCP has learned to dialog with, and the newest additions (Mynxee and Trebor) fared well in that regard.
Anything that undermines CCP's ability/propension to have open and honest discussions with us annoys me.

I don't know what Eva did. What I do know however is that it's different from Larkonis. Larkonis got drunk, ****ed up, and admitted it to CCP, he got offered the chance to resign, and he took it.

Eva seems to be a different thing altogether, since she got booted, and didn't resign... What for? I have no idea... Maybe we'll know, maybe we won't.



Or maybe she got the option to resign and didnt take it?

But dont let me stop the speculation.


btw, open and honest discussion? Does it really matter if CCP tells you open and honest they completely ignore the CSM instead of lying about it?

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:34:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Ran Khanon
Originally by: Barakkus
You all realize that the CSM is nothing more than a PR thing for CCP. I love CCP, I consider myself a fanboi, but in reality any type of player interaction on that kind of level is just a PR thing. Will they use the interaction with the CSM for planning development to some degree? Yes. Will it really make any huge difference in the direction of EVE? Not really.

Why would you sit there and bite the hand that feeds you so to speak and not expect consequences for it? It's not surprising she got booted, if I was CCP, I'd be kicking her to the curb too, it's bad PR to have crap like that said when you're SUPPOSED to be doing something to improve public relations for them.

I would not be surprised if her "observations" on CCPs attitude were a wee bit skewed anyways. CCP isn't some giant governemental agency out to oppress it's players etc...they will do what they need to do to produce a product that will garner more sales for them, that's the whole point of being an entertainment company. Too many people treat gaming companies and developers like they are "the man" and do this angsty teen rebellion crap.

She seemed pretty useless anyways.

I would not be surprised if they ended up cancelling the CSM soon and just rely on feedback from some of the more vocal and level-headed posters on the forums like a lot of gaming companies do. The CSM was a good idea on paper, but from watching it here and there, I think it's turning into a PR disaster.


^ What the wise man said.


Seems I was wrong in assuming why she got booted, but still, the CSM is a good idea on paper, horrible PR disaster in reality.

CCP would be better off courting certain players and reading their own forums (which they do actually read the forums :P) than trying this CSM garbage. The biggest problem with the CSM is it is putting inflated expectations out there that just simply won't be met. People's imaginations on what kind of impact the CSM will have on development went wild, now it's just breeding annimosity from what I can see.

The biggest problem with involving players at the level of the CSM is many of them are not software developers (even though everyone that plays MMOs claims to be one). There is a lot to software development and maintenance that the average player doesn't understand, and won't understand, no matter how many times you explain it. They percieve the explanations as apathy rather than actual limitations of what can be done in the immediate future, and most gamers can't think past the next month in most cases.

Hesperius
Posted - 2010.07.07 18:36:00 - [60]
 

Doesn't she work for another game development company? Seems like that would/should disqualify you from the get go.

Not surprised on this one.


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