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Qoi
Exert Force
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:11:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Qoi on 08/07/2010 13:45:05
reported by CCP Wrangler | 2010.07.07 16:59:23 | NEW
Today Eva "Ankhesentapemkah" Jobse was removed from the Council of Stellar Management due to a breach of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA). We are deeply saddened but feel that it was the only possible solution in order to protect the integrity of the Council of Stellar Management. As this is a matter regarding confidential data we do consider this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.

Evas Response so far:
Quote:
"All I can say at the moment is that out of respect for the CSM, the players of EVE, as well as the good people at CCP, I cannot give any details besides my personal conviction that CCP's statement is not in relation to any of my recent publications, and that I do not share CCP's conclusion that there has in fact been an NDA breach. I am currently engaged in following up this situation with CCP."


Further Information:
Article on Massively

Evas Blog

Note: As has been stated by several CSM Members now, the critical stance in her blog and/or her blog have nothing to do with this. Please keep the Conversation civilized and do not spread more rumors.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:12:00 - [2]
 

So uh, since I was 15th does this mean I'm now an alternate 8)

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:13:00 - [3]
 

I suppose some dev went emo about what she wrote in that blog?

Crawford McKinley
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:16:00 - [4]
 

ye i'm gonna go ahead and say this was because she made the comment about CCP's position regarding them doing jack **** about fixing the game as shinies are more important to them.

guess CCP don't read SHC forums or anywhere else as mynxee and other CSM's said exactly the same thing lol

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Crawford McKinley
ye i'm gonna go ahead and say this was because she made the comment about CCP's position regarding them doing jack **** about fixing the game as shinies are more important to them.

guess CCP don't read SHC forums or anywhere else as mynxee and other CSM's said exactly the same thing lol


inb4 ankh carebear white knight squ.... nvm


I would hope she also got banned ingame aswell? Need update, as anything less would be an injustice.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:20:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Crawford McKinley
ye i'm gonna go ahead and say this was because she made the comment about CCP's position regarding them doing jack **** about fixing the game as shinies are more important to them.

guess CCP don't read SHC forums or anywhere else as mynxee and other CSM's said exactly the same thing lol


inb4 ankh carebear white knight squ.... nvm


I would hope she also got banned ingame aswell? Need update, as anything less would be an injustice.


Why would she be banned in game? Larkonis wasnt.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:22:00 - [7]
 

Shocked

Originally by: Furb Killer
Why would she be banned in game? Larkonis wasnt.


Lark did get banned, it was just a 30-day.

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:23:00 - [8]
 

Haha, feels really good to hear. CCP now announce that you're gonna remove the learning skills and it will be the one of the most happy days ever!

I SoStoned
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:24:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Crawford McKinley
ye i'm gonna go ahead and say this was because she made the comment about CCP's position regarding them doing jack **** about fixing the game as shinies are more important to them.

guess CCP don't read SHC forums or anywhere else as mynxee and other CSM's said exactly the same thing lol


Why would such a comment get her booted?
EVERY Eve player who's been in game more than two expansions knows they release stuff half-done and never touch it again except (maybe) to shut off the ISK faucet of farming (COSMOS plexes, FW LP exploiting) without touching the core failures of the expansion.

It's the life of Eve.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:25:00 - [10]
 

NAP-C takes full credit for this

Although more information would be nice BR anyone?

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:26:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 07/07/2010 17:27:31
She was also so unfit for CSM that it couldnt be any worse. Perfectly she is gone. I hope she also get a ban!

She was nothing buy a power hungry wannabee that lied and spammed en mass.

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:26:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Shocked

Originally by: Furb Killer
Why would she be banned in game? Larkonis wasnt.


Lark did get banned, it was just a 30-day.


The CSM White Paper has been adjusted since then and it's not as if she enjoys the game Wink...

They say immitation is the highest form of flattery and I, for one, welcome our new Mazz overlord (how horribly ironic).

In all seriousness I think everyone needs to chill the **** out until the facts are known.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
Edited by: Shigsy on 07/07/2010 17:23:11
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Crawford McKinley
ye i'm gonna go ahead and say this was because she made the comment about CCP's position regarding them doing jack **** about fixing the game as shinies are more important to them.

guess CCP don't read SHC forums or anywhere else as mynxee and other CSM's said exactly the same thing lol


inb4 ankh carebear white knight squ.... nvm


I would hope she also got banned ingame aswell? Need update, as anything less would be an injustice.


Why would she be banned in game? Larkonis wasnt.


Yes he was you moron.

Also what she did was clearly alot worse than what Lark did, as she was removed from the CSM whereas Lark was asked to resign.

My mistake (you can breath again, relax).

As long as there is no reason given there is no reason to assume she did something worse than lark. Maybe she was also asked to resign but refused. Lark attempted to get ingame advantage using his CSM info, if ankh just leaked something it isnt as bad imo. But that is pretty pointless speculation.

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:29:00 - [14]
 

Removed personal attacks and spam.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer

As long as there is no reason given there is no reason to assume she did something worse than lark. Maybe she was also asked to resign but refused. Lark attempted to get ingame advantage using his CSM info, if ankh just leaked something it isnt as bad imo. But that is pretty pointless speculation.


Ah, furb killer, always quick to jump the defend-ankh bandwagon.

I for one am happy to say that I also do not know what she did and thus I cannot comment on whether it was 'worse' than what lark did. (apparently there is a clearly defined scale of those things somewhere, please point me to it!).

In fact it doesn't matter what she did, the consequence is what matters.

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Elise Randolph
So uh, since I was 15th does this mean I'm now an alternate 8)

Good question.

I don't believe that happened during Larkgate (best gate) but as CSM5 still has 9 months left who knows what CCP will decide.

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:31:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Today Eva "Ankhesentapemkah" Jobse was removed from the Council of Stellar Management due to a breach of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA). We are deeply saddened but feel that it was the only possible solution in order to protect the integrity of the Council of Stellar Management. As this is a matter regarding confidential data we do consider this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.


Nice going CCP, so you are kicking out the only CSM that actually dares to stand up for the playerbase, that doesn't just use the CSM charade (because that's what it is) as a way to get a free trip to Iceland, and for what? For actually trying to keep the community informed, for being the only one promote the transparency which was the WHOLE POINT WITH THE CSM IN THE FIRST PLACE?

And her replacement? Another elitist pvp'er, the people that CCP so love to favor.

The CSM is a sham, a PR ploy and that's it, it's more obvious now than it ever has been before; CCP doesn't care about what the playerbase thinks, it's all just damage control from a terribly managed company with a serious lack of professionalism or business ethics. It's just sad to see good people who actually mean well get dragged into it and humiliated publicly in this manner.

I fully expect this post to be deleted/censored, fully in line with CCP's policy to get rid of anyone/anything that doesn't blindly fanboi and defend them.

Removed discussion of moderation. Zymurgist

Frisky God
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:32:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ankh
In my opinion, the current CSM is the best and most productive so far, and I look forward to working with the other council members the coming year!


Or not. Laughing

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Furb Killer

As long as there is no reason given there is no reason to assume she did something worse than lark. Maybe she was also asked to resign but refused. Lark attempted to get ingame advantage using his CSM info, if ankh just leaked something it isnt as bad imo. But that is pretty pointless speculation.


Ah, furb killer, always quick to jump the defend-ankh bandwagon.

I for one am happy to say that I also do not know what she did and thus I cannot comment on whether it was 'worse' than what lark did. (apparently there is a clearly defined scale of those things somewhere, please point me to it!).

In fact it doesn't matter what she did, the consequence is what matters.


I didnt know i had to post a full scale of possible actions and how bad i would think they are, before i get your permission to make a post. I am sorry for this oversight and will correct it next time.

It seems pretty logical to me though, using the info for ingame advantage is worse for me than for example telling people CCP doesnt think FW is a problem if that was under NDA. But like i already said, and apparently you missed (you honestly miss quite often stuff that is written), it is all pointless speculation.

Nareg Maxence
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:34:00 - [20]
 

In her blog, Eva discusses measures that CCP are planing to implement to reduce lag. She mentions two specific actions that they are planing. Since this is technical insider knowledge, I am pretty sure this is covered by the NDA.

You can read her blog at: http://eve-takecare.net/


Creepy Goat
Collateral.
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:36:00 - [21]
 

Well thank god for that.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Johan Moisander
Nice going CCP, so you are kicking out the only CSM that actually dares to stand up for the playerbase,
Ehm… in what way? She certainly doesn't represent my interests in any way, shape, or form, and doesn't in the slightest "stand up for" anything I'd like to take to or from the CSM meetings.
Quote:
And her replacement? Another elitist pvp'er, the people that CCP so love to favor.
Good. Seems suitable, being a PvP game and all… Wink

solidshot
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:39:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Johan Moisander

Nice going CCP, so you are kicking out the only CSM that actually dares to stand up for the playerbase,



The only players she represented are the whiny little carebears that have helped erode this game over the past couple of years...

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:41:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Nareg Maxence
In her blog, Eva discusses measures that CCP are planing to implement to reduce lag. She mentions two specific actions that they are planing. Since this is technical insider knowledge, I am pretty sure this is covered by the NDA.

You can read her blog at: http://eve-takecare.net/




Just a general FYI; she was *not* kicked over stuff mentioned in her CSM blog.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:41:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Nareg Maxence
In her blog, Eva discusses measures that CCP are planing to implement to reduce lag. She mentions two specific actions that they are planing. Since this is technical insider knowledge, I am pretty sure this is covered by the NDA.

Actually, all that information is years old. It's been in CCP's development pipeline since about 2008. They had devblogs on it and I've mentioned it in articles I've written so it's all public knowledge.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:41:00 - [26]
 

my 10 dollars is on "Ankh throws spoons at people, how can we get rid of her subtly!? OH LOOK! BREACH OF NDA!" *punt*

Laughing

Cleared a personal attack - Adida

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:41:00 - [27]
 

You all realize that the CSM is nothing more than a PR thing for CCP. I love CCP, I consider myself a fanboi, but in reality any type of player interaction on that kind of level is just a PR thing. Will they use the interaction with the CSM for planning development to some degree? Yes. Will it really make any huge difference in the direction of EVE? Not really.

Why would you sit there and bite the hand that feeds you so to speak and not expect consequences for it? It's not surprising she got booted, if I was CCP, I'd be kicking her to the curb too, it's bad PR to have crap like that said when you're SUPPOSED to be doing something to improve public relations for them.

I would not be surprised if her "observations" on CCPs attitude were a wee bit skewed anyways. CCP isn't some giant governemental agency out to oppress it's players etc...they will do what they need to do to produce a product that will garner more sales for them, that's the whole point of being an entertainment company. Too many people treat gaming companies and developers like they are "the man" and do this angsty teen rebellion crap.

She seemed pretty useless anyways.

I would not be surprised if they ended up cancelling the CSM soon and just rely on feedback from some of the more vocal and level-headed posters on the forums like a lot of gaming companies do. The CSM was a good idea on paper, but from watching it here and there, I think it's turning into a PR disaster.

Cinori Aluben
Minmatar
Gladiators of Rage
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:44:00 - [28]
 

Wow, not only is there some heavy drama within New Eden currently, but on the CSM too!

Listen, I've never been an Ankh fan in general for the CSM, however, I do hope this has nothing to do with her blog summarizing the summit. If so, that's kinda petty. That being said, I don't know all the facts, and she does have a tendency to say stuff that perhaps she shouldn't on other occasions, so who knows what she said when... we'll just have to wait and see if any further info comes out. Whatever the case, it seems as though her longtime reign in the CSM has come to an end.

Although I didn't want you on the CSM in the first place, you did put a lot of effort and time into your campaign, so I will say, I'm sorry Ankh. Bummer.

Nareg Maxence
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:45:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz

Just a general FYI; she was *not* kicked over stuff mentioned in her CSM blog.

Thanks. I am a bit surprised actually, since that was the first mention of those specific actions that I have seen, and yes I do read the devblogs, especially the technical ones.

I am guessing some of the wild rumours that have been flying around has some truth to them after all. :)

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2010.07.07 17:47:00 - [30]
 

This is very much like an old school totalitarian purge. Yesterday's hero is today's enemy of the people and the trial already ended with a guilty verdict. You'd better not ask for what crime or you'll get the knock on the door in the middle of the night too.


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