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Humpas Roidos
Posted - 2010.07.02 21:39:00 - [1]
 

I've been told that being solo in a wormhole(doing sleeper sites) is all about passive tanking. In that case I assume amarr would have trouble performing well. Is this correct ?

What amarr ship would be good to solo sleeper sites and what's the highest class that wouldn't be suicide ? Perhaps someone could share a fit aswell ?

Poeser Rufus
Posted - 2010.07.02 22:06:00 - [2]
 

should be able to get C3īs

[Legion, wh]
Centus C-Type Armor EM Hardener
Centus C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating


use scorch for long range ofc
some combat sites might be tricky but faction shoul give you enough dps for scrambling frigs (600+) sig and speed tank ftw.

DmD666
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.07.02 22:17:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: DmD666 on 02/07/2010 22:17:39
That fit tanks less than 200 dps. It will die (in c3's)

Induc
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.02 22:22:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Induc on 02/07/2010 22:30:33
A Legion is probably the best for soloing C3 sites. (the only thing it's any good for? Rolling Eyes)

[Legion, Legion - Legion C3 Sleepers]
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Large Capacitor Battery II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

745 tank and 478 dps stable at all V
You can switch the faction heat sinks for T2 heat sinks, depending on if you want to pay 100m for the extra 20 dps.

By switching out the electronic subsystem you can switch the probe launcher for a cap recharger if you're having trouble getting it stable, but then you'll need an alt to handle the scanning.
And if you do that, you're probably even stable enough to switch a nanopump for a nanobot rig, giving you an extra 30 tank


Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.07.03 07:56:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 03/07/2010 08:18:23

Here's the fitting I made for a corpmate that was having troubles in C3 and C4.

He was using a Battleclinic w-space fitting that just couldn't cut it, resulting in him losing a Legion when the Tengus weren't even breaking a sweat. After that, he had to warp out sometimes, and keep aligned when some tough waves were triggered. He's our #1 frigate killer, so we don't like him having to warp out, especially at the start of a wave.

Now I think he has more tank than the Tengus, and a lot more confidence doing even the hardest sites. Improved his DPS too.

EDIT: He currently uses one True Sansha EANM instead of one Centum A-Type EANM, but will upgrade soon. He estimated it took 2 evenings to earn enough for the upgrade. No probe launcher, as he uses an Anathema for that, and switches to a Harbinger to salvage.

[Legion, C3 & C4 Proven]
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.03 08:14:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander

[Legion, C3 & C4 Proven]
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



This is an impressive fit. Always remember, though, that it will eventually be displayed proudly on someone's killboard. Not saying you won't get a decent return on it before then but it'll eventually die.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.07.03 08:20:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 03/07/2010 08:22:47
Originally by: Kassa Daito
This is an impressive fit. Always remember, though, that it will eventually be displayed proudly on someone's killboard. Not saying you won't get a decent return on it before then but it'll eventually die.

When you earn 100 million or more an hour (three of us averages 8 minutes for a C3 site), it really doesn't bother you. Fly what you can afford to lose.


Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.03 10:53:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 03/07/2010 10:59:19
A pair of these rinse c3s:

[Legion, cheap bastard mine 6 atm cheaper]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers


Cap stable without cap booster, it's only there for emergency GTFO situations (I know why these things should fear Pilgrims and there's not much more you can do to give youself a better chance once jumped than have cap to run overheated reps and AB). Swap it for a TC or something if you wish.

You would most benefit from a 14-15km web if solo, and Corpum A-Type repper adds so much tank it's worth it for at least 1, but a cheap t2 fit legion can be great vs sleepers. Fuel Catalyst would be a better prop subsys to fit but chassis's cheaper.

One day Tau, our paths will cross... Twisted Evil

Edit: My skills aren't even lvl5s for cap or rep systems, but they are for the offensive and defensive subsystems. Never sit still in this, speed tank and kill non-trigger webbing frigs first.

khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.07.03 20:49:00 - [9]
 

Cant believe you gave away the cheap fit Dan. No-one will be using the faction fit with 2 A type EANMS and 2 A type reps now Shocked. . . shakes head. . .
It would have been such a good KM too YARRRR!!

Since you have put it out there I can confirm it does all c3 annoms without breaking a sweat and the booster can be swapped out for a hacking/code breaker if thats ur thing.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.03 22:35:00 - [10]
 

Confirming Khaz is the original cheap bastard. Mind you he lost enough pimped ones first.
Consider it a t3 right of passage, keep on flying em peeps YARRRR!!

Mella Elcus
Posted - 2010.07.04 04:16:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander

[Legion, C3 & C4 Proven]
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Way overkill for C3's. Slapping faction after faction module on a ship sure is fun, but why spend 3b when 1b will do the job easily? The extra dps is nice, but the extra tank is wasted. Anyone looking to gank a T3 ship always brings a neut anyway.

And the fit your friend was using should tank everything in a C3 even without moving, except perhaps the triple bs spawn in one of the magnetometrics. Even so, you're not supposed to let them hit you anyway since they can hit anything orbiting closer than 20km...

Having too much cash is not an excuse for being stupid Laughing

Kurunto
Nictus Astartes
Posted - 2010.07.04 08:19:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Kurunto on 04/07/2010 09:52:44
Edited by: Kurunto on 04/07/2010 09:42:24
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 03/07/2010 10:59:19
A pair of these rinse c3s:

[Legion, cheap bastard mine 6 atm cheaper]
[CHEAP FIT]



Replace Armor Hardeners with EANM II for more cap and +40DPS tank at all lvl 5.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.04 10:08:00 - [13]
 

Er sleepers dude, EFT warrior dies as you need omni tank.

Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.04 10:15:00 - [14]
 

This what i fly in c3's...works like a charm. It has breezed through anything i've asked of it. That spare midslot goes for hackers/analyzers/cap recharger, depending on what we're doing. MWD is mainly there to GTFO, no need to speed tank on this build, most of the time.
Plus, this build looks really, really shiny too out there.

[Legion, C3 ratter]
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Wake Limiter

5x Heavy Pulse Laser II

Medium Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)
Shadow Serpentis 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Codebreaker II

Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
2x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Thermic Hardener II
2x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

2x Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

See you all out in the black, and greets to daneel and khaz Shocked

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.04 10:28:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 04/07/2010 10:29:21
Granted that's the best looking prop mod, but seriously, no perma speed tank, not cap stable without booster? OK that tank's probably required for mag/radar, I don't do them.
Edit: greetz to you too, and stop being blue so I can pwn that pimped thing Razz

I mean that last idea of cheapfit+EANMs could maybe work if you know the sig spawn points and speedtank the lasers and then have higher missile resists, but not really with all the webbing to deal with and no faction web range.

Ulwithy Arillious
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.04 11:17:00 - [16]
 

I come up with the weirdest things in EFT...

It'll cost about 2.2B ISK, but it does 698 DPS, and tanks 629 while being cap stable in the time frame of a WH site. There's no web though, so bring a friend... preferably one with more brains than ISK.

Seriously, this ship does with Scorch what my Legion does with AN MF, and my Legion is better at running C3s than any other fitting here.

[Legion, Shield - WTF]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.04 11:28:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 04/07/2010 11:31:12
Less tank (476, stable mind), EM hole, terrible stacking penalty for HSs (why not tracking enhancers), no need for fugly TTN over DS front, no bonus to scanning but +1 for probe launcher.
Web is mandatory somewhere in fleet/fit.

Dusica
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.04 12:29:00 - [18]
 

No trouble for amarr , you have 3 basic ships that can do C3 very easy. And active tanking with armor repairers is more then viable in C3 WH ( highest that I was doing ).

no1 Legion , most expansive but best damage ,tank and speed. ( one armor rep ).
no2 Absolution , medium price good damage good tank have drones. ( two armor reps ).
no3 Sacriladge , low price , good tank , under average damage can probe or salvage while killing stuff and spends ammo. ( 2 armor reps ).

Humpas Roidos
Posted - 2010.07.04 15:51:00 - [19]
 

What about BSes ? Everyone is suggestion a T3 cruisers, but wouldn't a baddon tank more and dish out more DPS ?

Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.04 18:06:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Humpas Roidos
What about BSes ? Everyone is suggestion a T3 cruisers, but wouldn't a baddon tank more and dish out more DPS ?


Mobility between wormholes is restricted by mass so BS are not preferred
Align times are slow so sometimes that few seconds to GTFO makes the difference
BS takes full damage from Sleeper BS due to large signature radius
BS DPS is iffy when tracking Sleeper Frigs and if you run into strong RR wave your efficiency will go down

Kurunto
Nictus Astartes
Posted - 2010.07.04 22:38:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Kurunto on 04/07/2010 22:38:56

Ulwithy Arillious
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.05 14:19:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Humpas Roidos
What about BSes ? Everyone is suggestion a T3 cruisers, but wouldn't a baddon tank more and dish out more DPS ?


You'll have a fun time getting the capacitor and tank required to last through a C3 site. You'd have better luck with an Apocalypse, but you'd still have to buy faction tanking mods to be able to solo the sites. I used to run them in a Navy Apoc, after I had stopped running them in RR gangs, but before I trained to fly a Legion.

If you try to run WHs in a battleship, you're going to have to deal with a host of other issues (mass, align time, tracking, drone scarcity). Seriously, Cruiser V... just do it already.

Cosmic Rainbow
Posted - 2010.07.05 17:44:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Cosmic Rainbow on 05/07/2010 17:43:53
Originally by: Humpas Roidos
I've been told that being solo in a wormhole(doing sleeper sites) is all about passive tanking.


Im not sure I agree with this statement.

I have passive tanked C3's (Domi +Sleip Combo, as well as Legion +Domi combo) and found it to not be as effective as active tanking. (unless I just havent run a site that is bad for active tanking?)

I also started out by passive tanking C4's, but couldnt quite handle the 2000 dps dished out by some of the Magno sites. I've since switched to active tanking,and its going much much better. Again - perhaps I havent run into a site where active tanking is a problem? ie: does NOS/Nueting become stronger/more probelmatic in C4's?



 

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