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Thedirtypaw
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.01 15:42:00 - [31]
 

he is :french:

noFace noLIfe
Posted - 2010.07.01 16:23:00 - [32]
 

Good idea.

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.01 16:50:00 - [33]
 

I do not fear anybody who uses this facility, nor anybody who fears this facility.

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge

Posted - 2010.07.01 17:17:00 - [34]
 

If poeple stopped playing then no, this idea is not supported. They quit the game, they know whats happening to their skill points.

I will only support this option if one person payed for an account and in that time, if he lost SP because of x reason like a patch, bad schedule or so then yes.

For the new guys: we didnt have any skill queue so we had to fix our work (or school) schedule for Eve's skill system.

Rhok Relztem
Caldari
CGMA Synergist Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.01 17:43:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 01/07/2010 17:45:28
Absolutely NOT.

If you quit playing, that is your perogative, but don't expect to jump back in and buy your way back to an even footing with those who stay. If you plan on playing again in the future, keep your skills training - that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I took a break for about three months but I set up my queue to train as long as possible (mostly learning skills) and logged-in periodically to keep it full. When I came back, I lost nothing except the ISK earnings (which you CAN buy back by selling GTCs in the forum, which I did Wink) and I actually got a jump on the game by having my learning skills all but maxxed-out.

An unequivical NOT SUPPORTED.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.01 18:14:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Rhok Relztem
Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 01/07/2010 17:45:28
Absolutely NOT.

If you quit playing, that is your perogative, but don't expect to jump back in and buy your way back to an even footing with those who stay. If you plan on playing again in the future, keep your skills training - that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I took a break for about three months but I set up my queue to train as long as possible (mostly learning skills) and logged-in periodically to keep it full. When I came back, I lost nothing except the ISK earnings (which you CAN buy back by selling GTCs in the forum, which I did Wink) and I actually got a jump on the game by having my learning skills all but maxxed-out.

An unequivical NOT SUPPORTED.


I totaly agree with you, this is the way to go about it normaly, you just train your skills and dont realy play.

But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)

That's why my proposition is a good idea, to help those who didnt have a choice in quitting and now can reactify that situation.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.01 18:43:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Poje
Originally by: Rhok Relztem
Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 01/07/2010 17:45:28
Absolutely NOT.

If you quit playing, that is your perogative, but don't expect to jump back in and buy your way back to an even footing with those who stay. If you plan on playing again in the future, keep your skills training - that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I took a break for about three months but I set up my queue to train as long as possible (mostly learning skills) and logged-in periodically to keep it full. When I came back, I lost nothing except the ISK earnings (which you CAN buy back by selling GTCs in the forum, which I did Wink) and I actually got a jump on the game by having my learning skills all but maxxed-out.

An unequivical NOT SUPPORTED.


I totaly agree with you, this is the way to go about it normaly, you just train your skills and dont realy play.

But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)

That's why my proposition is a good idea, to help those who didnt have a choice in quitting and now can reactify that situation.


And how are CCP supposed to decide who is deserving and who is not?

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.01 19:52:00 - [38]
 

My mate Dave is extremely pleased that you're all terrified of the account he abandoned three years ago because "If I wanted to play a game with that many bugs in it, I'd play one I wrote", he says that if CCP woke up in the morning suddenly deserving of over 500 dollars, and he had 500 dollars he didn't even need anymore, he would love to insta spawn a titan pilot that has no titan or prospect of getting one just to scare you all with, because it would be oh so very very scarey.... oooooo... like a big scarey ghost with a white sheet over it's head going "wooooooooo".

Personally I don't think my mate Dave is very funny.

Also, this proposal would be awesome because the bitter vet's could all sell their old spying trial accounts on ebay for like $20 each instead of having to actually build characters and sell them on ebay. Not that I know anybody who does that or anything like that.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.01 21:25:00 - [39]
 

They could put a cap of 1 year worth of SPs you can buy back.

That way, very old accounts wouldnt have that exploitable aspect.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.02 11:32:00 - [40]
 

It could even be bought with ISK too.

For those who like to do it like that. Razz

159Hunter
Posted - 2010.07.02 11:42:00 - [41]
 

No, play = gain SP -- don't play = don't gain SP

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.02 13:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: 159Hunter
No, play = gain SP -- don't play = don't gain SP




lol, are you playing EVE or WoW ?

In EVE u can have SP and don't play at all, its called training an alt to sell it.

Mhyr
Posted - 2010.07.02 13:03:00 - [43]
 

supported

Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.02 13:03:00 - [44]
 

While I support a way that enables new players to somehow compete with old ones, microtransactions and total "reimbursement" for time you havent actually played EVE are not the way to go imo.

noFace noLIfe
Posted - 2010.07.02 17:03:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Darveses
While I support a way that enables new players to somehow compete with old ones, microtransactions and total "reimbursement" for time you havent actually played EVE are not the way to go imo.


If you mean by "play" log in to train your skills and log off, that would be exactly the same thing that he's proposing. If you log in only for SP, who cares if you can buy back game time you didnt use ?

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.02 18:23:00 - [46]
 

Exactly. Very Happy

Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command
Kamikaze Project
Posted - 2010.07.02 19:04:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Clovermite on 02/07/2010 19:07:14
I think it is a great idea.

I don't really see how there is room for exploit - you aren't buying extra SP, just bringing your character back up to speed.

As others have already pointed out- you don't get Sps in return for playing the game. Rather, you receive SPs for the amount of licensed (ie paid for) time has passed since your character's creation.

And, as others have also pointed out, you already have the option of buying a pre-skilled character from someone else. The only difference is that you'd be paying for the character that YOU put time into.

On a "respect for diversity" note, it allows anyone who's run into financial hardship for a couple months to jump back into the game without being penalized.

I can't think of any downsides to this, so I'd be interested to see if anybody can think of any legitimate ones.

Tacolina
Posted - 2010.07.02 21:45:00 - [48]
 

Thumbs down

Quote:
But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)



Character logs in, skills up to whatever he feels at a whim, cancels subscription, comes back 6 months later. Repeat process. So basically all you've proposed is incredibly convenient character farming. Absolutely no.

Losing training cause you couldn't pay for a period of time is also not sufficient enough a reason. You weren't out flying and you weren't hold up in some station. In short you were not involved with the eve universe and deserve no skillpoints. Infact the only reasons I can think of besides downtimes that would be acceptable for sp allowances would be if you verifiably got hacked or banned from the game later to be found innocent. Those are the only two reasons. If you want easy leveling go play something else.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.02 22:51:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Poje on 02/07/2010 22:52:16
Edited by: Poje on 02/07/2010 22:51:01
Originally by: Tacolina
Thumbs down

Quote:
But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)



Character logs in, skills up to whatever he feels at a whim, cancels subscription, comes back 6 months later. Repeat process. So basically all you've proposed is incredibly convenient character farming. Absolutely no.

Losing training cause you couldn't pay for a period of time is also not sufficient enough a reason. You weren't out flying and you weren't hold up in some station. In short you were not involved with the eve universe and deserve no skillpoints. Infact the only reasons I can think of besides downtimes that would be acceptable for sp allowances would be if you verifiably got hacked or banned from the game later to be found innocent. Those are the only two reasons. If you want easy leveling go play something else.


What is the difference between paying per month for an account, train alts and sell them, or paying the equivalent number of months after and have the same amount of SP ?

If you properly read all that has been said, you'll see that no valuable reasons have come up to counter my idea.

And btw, EVE is unique in that way, the only game you can evolve and be offline. Thats why this is possible.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.03 15:49:00 - [50]
 

One of my friends plays since 2003 and is still in a nOOb Corp. Shocked

He calls the game EVE Offline, because of course of the unique way you can train in EVE and because he plays about 10% of the time, the rest of the 90% of the time he's offline, gaining SPs.

EVE is unique and what i propose is directly in the line of what it has as features already.




Domonique Molvoy
Men of Questionable Moral Fibre
Posted - 2010.07.04 04:34:00 - [51]
 

Absolutely not.

Qoi
Exert Force
Posted - 2010.07.04 06:29:00 - [52]
 

Having to wait for skills is probably one of the most important features keeping customer retention rates up - this will seriously hurt eve, especially people that have been loyal customers and supported eve will hate it. Also many people will gain an unfair advantage when game mechanics are changed and they are first in line to abuse it. Also it is impossible to calculate "training loss" because skill training rates vary a lot (less than 450 sp/h to 2772 sp/h), which makes things even more complicated.

I really hate this idea, and I'm certainly not alone. You should use a different subforum for your idea, you will hardly find a majority that supports this, which is fundamental for CSM issues.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.04 15:57:00 - [53]
 

It's just a less convenient variant on buying skills for $$$.

Thumbs down.


Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.04 18:50:00 - [54]
 

"If you properly read all that has been said, you'll see that no valuable reasons have come up to counter my idea."

Spades Slick
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.07.04 18:57:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Poje
"If you properly read all that has been said, you'll see that no valuable reasons have come up to counter my idea."


I can't help but read that sentence as "I'm right, and I refuse to acknowledge or address any opposition as warrants a proper debate."

James Tritanius
Posted - 2010.07.04 19:19:00 - [56]
 

Supported. I don't really see how it would imbalance the game.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.05 11:29:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: James Tritanius
Supported. I don't really see how it would imbalance the game.



Very Happy

CommanderData211
Posted - 2010.07.05 21:58:00 - [58]
 

You want a valid rebut to your assinine idea? Here goes.

You know how every account in EVE has three slots to create three seperate and unique characters? Well guess what, neither EVE nor CCP have any clue which is your main and which is your alt. So the idea you are proposing is that any alt characters on a single account would be applicable for this instant SP. I have an alt that was created years ago and have barely trained anything at all on him. But who (except for me) is to say if he is my main or not?

To further crush your troll, there is a mechanism in place already where you can spend money to get SP. Not sure if you realized this but you can buy a character from another player who wants to sell one. You can do this with ISK which incidentally can be bought for real money.

Buying a character that has been validly trained is fine. Implanting SP onto an inactive character that was arbitrarily created at a time in the distant past is game breaking. It would affect so much more than just the character receiving the SP. If you can't see that, than you are beyond reasoning with.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.05 22:23:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: CommanderData211
You want a valid rebut to your assinine idea? Here goes.

You know how every account in EVE has three slots to create three seperate and unique characters? Well guess what, neither EVE nor CCP have any clue which is your main and which is your alt. So the idea you are proposing is that any alt characters on a single account would be applicable for this instant SP. I have an alt that was created years ago and have barely trained anything at all on him. But who (except for me) is to say if he is my main or not?

To further crush your troll, there is a mechanism in place already where you can spend money to get SP. Not sure if you realized this but you can buy a character from another player who wants to sell one. You can do this with ISK which incidentally can be bought for real money.

Buying a character that has been validly trained is fine. Implanting SP onto an inactive character that was arbitrarily created at a time in the distant past is game breaking. It would affect so much more than just the character receiving the SP. If you can't see that, than you are beyond reasoning with.


1. Main Char are easy to notice, its the one with the most SP...

2. Like when you can claim a gift, you could do it only once per account.

3. I said already that you could purchase a max of 1 year of unplayed game time worth, and again, whats the difference between paying now or later ?

4. Buying a new Character is a completly different thing and since EVE have already those kind of features, dont you think what im asking is mild compared to that ?


Thx, have a good day.





Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.06 15:37:00 - [60]
 

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