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Nereni Valacon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.30 03:54:00 - [1]
 

Hi all, I'm thinking about building a new rig (want to spend some serious cash this time) but I don't want to run anything other than Linux on it. That said, I'm not really sure about which video card to go for. I've generally had good experiences with Nvidia up until recently (Ubuntu refuses to boot up with my GT240 plugged in Sad), but I've never tried Ubuntu with an ATI card. What's been the experience of some of the people here with Nvidia vs. ATI in relation to EVE on Linux?

Tishrei
Posted - 2010.06.30 08:25:00 - [2]
 

Nvidia = less problems with drivers
ATI sucks under Linux, from my experience

Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.30 19:14:00 - [3]
 

In short, if you use Fedora or anything older than the salad in your fridge, stay the hell away from ATi and Linux.

I use a 5750 myself, and while I have no major issues (now), anyone with a 4xxx card is pretty much shafted.

If you are building a new rig, go for nVidia.

Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.30 19:15:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Nereni Valacon
Hi all, I'm thinking about building a new rig (want to spend some serious cash this time) but I don't want to run anything other than Linux on it. That said, I'm not really sure about which video card to go for. I've generally had good experiences with Nvidia up until recently (Ubuntu refuses to boot up with my GT240 plugged in Sad), but I've never tried Ubuntu with an ATI card. What's been the experience of some of the people here with Nvidia vs. ATI in relation to EVE on Linux?


I have run EVE on two Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit boxen, one with an HD4890 and the other with a GTS250, with otherwise-identical specs on them (Intel G33 Express chipset, 750GB Hitachi HD, 8 GB RAM, Core2 Q9300 Quad @2.5GHz, running the latest wine-1.2rc build, currently rc5). Even though the HD4890 is a more powerful card, the GTS250 plays the game smoother.

I tested the Ubuntu-supplied ATI "restricted" drivers and they were rubbish, while the game would load, it was terribly unstable and locked up frequently during session changes. Catalyst 10.6 drivers using the ATI .run installer fixed that, but there were still graphics glitches (a white square in place of the normal cursor when hovering over anything that can be right-clicked, and intermittent issues with the screen not updating or stuttering for a few seconds, usually when jumping/warping). Not game-breaking, but certainly annoying.

With the NVidia card, the Ubuntu-supplied "restricted" drivers worked well enough that I didn't feel the need to download newer drivers from the NVidia site. No white square where the cursor should be, though the framerate is somewhat less, it's still averaging around 90 fps compared with 110 for the ATI.

Keep in mind a GTS250 is basically a 9800GTX card, EVE even recognizes my GTS250 as a 9800 card (this may be why the Ubuntu-supplied "restricted" drivers work better with the NVidia than the ATI card, it's older hardware). The specs on these two are almost identical:

GTS250: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130513
9800GTX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339

I have the 1GB version of the GTS250: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130514

I have EVE installed under a separate user who has no "sudo" permissions rather than my main user, but that's for security and not necessary to make EVE work.

The list of winetricks I'm using (thanks to Saraen for posting this list) is:
corefonts
ddr=opengl
glsl-disable
orm=fbo (failed miserably with Catalyst versions < 10.5 and "backbuffer" wasn't much better)
winxp
gecko
vcrun2005

Lemaria
Gallente
Northern Badlands Consortium
Posted - 2010.07.01 00:55:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tishrei
Nvidia = less problems with drivers
ATI sucks under Linux, from my experience


+1

Mr M
Posted - 2010.07.01 04:16:00 - [6]
 

I don't have any experience with the older drivers but here catalyst 10.5 works fine with my ATI HD4850. I have the white square instead of one of the mouse arrows but that's all

Nereni Valacon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.01 22:56:00 - [7]
 

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm gathering at the moment that the consensus is to go Nvidia for a new Linux machine, so I think I'm best off sticking to my original plan (Nvidia GTX480, etc etc).

Thanks once again for the insights, it helps to know that now I'm not just taking a shot in the dark.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.04 14:20:00 - [8]
 

At the moment, the nVidia proprietary drivers just give you more bang for your (graphic card) buck than ATI ones. And not only as performance, but also as features and stability.

ATI drivers did improve a lot in the past, but the gap was very large to start with.

Another hint: since EVE is a very CPU intensive application, and it's NOT multithreaded (not enough, at least), it's usually better to have a dual core CPU with higher core speed, than a quad (or six, or whatever) core with slower cores.

I had *far* better performance with an Athlon64 4000+ (single core clocked at 2.6 GHz!) than I have with my Phenom 9500 (four cores at 2.2 GHz each).

The Phenom is blazing fast when I have to recompile something - and being a gentoo user, I do that a lot - but on single thread apps, it's better to have less but faster cores.

Janusch
Posted - 2010.07.23 12:30:00 - [9]
 

Do the Ati people supply DKMS-compliant kernel interfaces for their drivers?

Nvidia does; that means that you can install new kernels (i.e. during system updates) without manual re-installation of the Nvidia drivers.

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2010.07.25 12:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Janusch
Do the Ati people supply DKMS-compliant kernel interfaces for their drivers?

Nvidia does; that means that you can install new kernels (i.e. during system updates) without manual re-installation of the Nvidia drivers.

Why is it I find myself forever struggling with the proprietary nVidia driver every time I update the kernel? Ends up dumped in text mode or X repeated aborting in my face or in the latest release of Ubuntu it at least tells me the nVidia kernel module failed to load and gives me the option to change to another driver.

I recently found that I can subsequently manually deinstall/reinstall using the hardware config program and then redo the xorg.conf file but that's hardly automatic! Ubuntu even requires that one open a shell to edit such files. :(

Just now I had a shot at updating the nVidia driver from 195.x to 256.x, using nVidia's shell based installer, and got the usual crap. And, not too surprisingly, the subsequent deinstall/reinstall process just put it right back to 195.x

Still some ways to go me thinks ... or am I missing something?


Janusch
Posted - 2010.07.26 14:14:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: Janusch
Do the Ati people supply DKMS-compliant kernel interfaces for their drivers?

Nvidia does; that means that you can install new kernels (i.e. during system updates) without manual re-installation of the Nvidia drivers.

Why is it I find myself forever struggling with the proprietary nVidia driver every time I update the kernel?
(...)

Just now I had a shot at updating the nVidia driver from 195.x to 256.x, using nVidia's shell based installer, and got the usual crap. And, not too surprisingly, the subsequent deinstall/reinstall process just put it right back to 195.x

Still some ways to go me thinks ... or am I missing something?



So why don't you just use the nvidia driver from the repositories (nvidia-current)? It integrates nicely with DKMS, and it's not surprising, that the installer does not. However, it's only 195.36 at the moment. But: no shell needed Wink


Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2010.07.26 15:44:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Solbright on 26/07/2010 15:47:26

Heh, as I said, even kernel updates bomb out the driver ... And the subsequent reinstall means I have to rebuild xorg.conf each time. Hardly ideal.

PS: And I still have to hit the shell to sudo edit/copy xorg.conf.


Cinmay's alt
Posted - 2010.07.26 21:23:00 - [13]
 

What ever you do. Do NOT get ATI. I have a HD4800 and it has caused me nothing but trouble.

FreeBooteR
Posted - 2010.09.26 19:50:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: FreeBooteR on 26/09/2010 19:55:30
I've got a Radeon HD 5870 eyefinity edition. I would have to agree that the drivers need a lot of work. I'm using the 10.8 Catalyst driver from AUR and though it works and can run games, it is no where near as smooth as the Nvidia driver. I only went with ATi this time around because my eGeforce 9800GX2 self destructed after only 1.5 years use. Kind of kicking myself, but hoping AMD can kick somebody's arse in the ATi driver dept. I just don't get how they can make such great hardware and totally fail on the drivers.

Just so you know, ATi driver has an annoying problem in EVE with the mouse pointer turning into a white block. Kind of annoying.

Zeric Qualin
Posted - 2010.09.28 17:06:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Solbright
or am I missing something?
You should try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=835573


 

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