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Gillgar
Posted - 2010.06.29 02:37:00 - [1]
 

Not sore if anyone else thinks this but it is pain to set all the extractors on all my planets so what i was thinking was if you could multi select all the extractors that are lifting the same resource and set them all at the same time rather than one at a time. what do you think?

Jin Labarre
Posted - 2010.06.29 10:35:00 - [2]
 

It is meant to be a pain. You can choose between easy maintenance and maximum output. If you want maximum output, you need to babysit your facilities and invest time doing so. Also makes it harder for macros.

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:11:00 - [3]
 

Quote:
It is meant to be a pain

what is a that videogame for, dad?
TO bring you PAIN!

James Rehnold
Amarr
Expense Solutions
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:44:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jin Labarre
It is meant to be a pain. You can choose between easy maintenance and maximum output. If you want maximum output, you need to babysit your facilities and invest time doing so. Also makes it harder for macros.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:47:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Jin Labarre
It is meant to be a pain.


Jesus what are you, some sort of gaming masochist?

EVE: "Click, slave! *Whip whip* CLICK UNTIL YOUR FINGERS BLEED!"

You: "Yes Mistress EVE! Make me! Make me click more!"



SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:18:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 29/06/2010 13:18:46
Originally by: Jin Labarre
It is meant to be a pain. You can choose between easy maintenance and maximum output. If you want maximum output, you need to babysit your facilities and invest time doing so. Also makes it harder for macros.


Correction; it encourages macros.

Requiring several more clicks DOES NOT MAKE IT HARDER FOR MACROS. I could sit down for half an hour or so and make one to cycle all my extractors if I chose to. It really is just that easy. And it would probably save me from contracting RSI.

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Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:24:00 - [7]
 

Supported.

Either get rid of multiple deposit choices and let extractors auto-cycle, or allow us to issue mass-orders to all extractors simultaneously.

crossless
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:48:00 - [8]
 

I Have 5 planets and 10 or so extractors on ea one. its a pain in the ass to do it and i know other people that feel the same way. It would be much easier to multi select them all and set them at the sane time so id definitely support your idea. big thumbs up to it



Mystery Assassin
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:14:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Mystery Assassin on 29/06/2010 16:14:28
Please!!!! RSI..its killing to many clicks.

Ivorr Bigun
Posted - 2010.06.29 17:03:00 - [10]
 

Ill go one further in terms of CSM dsicussion on this matter:

PI needs:

select all
route all
link all
extract all
choose cycle all
install all

plus ctrl click/shift click options to select multiples.

I believe the outcome of not addressing these changes will be rampant devaluation of ISK, and in terms of keeping players or encouraging new players rampant ISK devaluation is not good.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.29 17:31:00 - [11]
 

Mindless repetitive clicking is tedious, boring and ultimately counter productive as the limiting factor. It will just attract macros that squeeze out real players.

Eve is fundamentally a strategy game, not some mindless twitch fest. Therefore the difficulty and challenge in PI should be in devising successful strategies of production and competing with other players and not some torturous ordeal by mouse.

I support attention/action on this issue, however I'm not keen on grouping.

I think a more dynamic approach that relies and thinking and less on mundane repetitive clicking.

I think the best option would be to change the way extractors work and make them much more like processors. They are started and they automatically continue. Players attend them, review and tune them on an on going but ad-hoc basis. They start at the best extraction rate, but over time their extraction rate deteriorates. This would be in line with the current extraction cycles rates. So for example: They start at the top rate for 30 mins, drop to the second rate for 5 hours, then the 23 hour rate and finally the 96 hour rate. A player can attend to them and resurvey at the top rate but that is entirely optional.

Technically this should be quite easy to implement, especially compared to UI changes needed for grouping.

At a later stage the ability to vary the production up or down by running missions, a little like with Research Points and entirely optional, but necessary for the most efficient production.

e.g.

Foreman: "The machinery is worn out. We need mechanical parts to fix it and get it back to 100% efficiency" Extractor efficiency reduced by 10% until until supplied.

Foreman: "The workers are unhappy at being on this forgotten forsake rock and production is suffering (-10% etc). If you supply "Tabacco|Spirit|Dancing Girls" I'm sure their moral will improve.

Have some 'missions' that fix reduced efficiency and some that boost efficiency.

Foreman: "The machinery is badly designed. We can modify it with X units of robotics and get it upto 110% efficiency"

Foreman: If you can offer the working an incentive bonus (Consumer Electronics for the rec room) I sure I can get efficiency up to 110%.

etc.

Miasia
KdZ Industries
Initiative Associates
Posted - 2010.06.29 20:00:00 - [12]
 


Viktor Del'Grande
Gallente Forschung und Entwicklungscorp

Posted - 2010.06.29 20:00:00 - [13]
 


Anne Feuerbringer
Posted - 2010.06.29 20:01:00 - [14]
 


Fawsia Namun
Posted - 2010.06.29 20:01:00 - [15]
 


John Eisenauge
Posted - 2010.06.29 20:05:00 - [16]
 

To switch on the extractors manually:we have cloak, we have warp drives, we live in space and must switch lots of extractors on manuelly - i think eve will lower the niveau to WOW.

My opinion is: an option to switch all extractors on per planet...

John Eisenauge
Posted - 2010.06.29 20:40:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: John Eisenauge
To switch on the extractors manually:we have cloak, we have warp drives, we live in space and must switch lots of extractors on manuelly - i think eve will lower the niveau to WOW.

My opinion is: an option to switch all extractors on per planet...

Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
Posted - 2010.06.30 12:03:00 - [18]
 


Tu Ko
Predator's Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.30 15:24:00 - [19]
 

You guys really want this to become ice mining don't ya'll.

Rayne Stryker
Gallente
Hole Diggers
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.30 17:02:00 - [20]
 

I definitely support this. I have 5 planets extracting, and typically near 15 extractors per planet. I also have a second account doing the same thing. It takes me around 20 minutes per character to reset all my extractors.

I could see the ability to go to Planet Mode and choose to reset all extractors either of a specific type, or on the planet as a whole to the same cycle times in one set of clicks.

My reasoning is that this is supposed to be a passive income, and when it takes me either 40 minutes every 5 hours, or 40 minutes every 23 hours, that is 40 minutes I am not being able to run missions, mine asteroids, interact with my manufacturing, or shoot people in the face, assuming I did that.

I don't want this to be, set it, and walk away for 3 weeks and it is still running. I, and my corp mates, would like to be able to reset with many many less clicks.

Sebastian Baseesh
Madhatters Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.30 17:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Rayne Stryker
I definitely support this. I have 5 planets extracting, and typically near 15 extractors per planet. I also have a second account doing the same thing. It takes me around 20 minutes per character to reset all my extractors.

I could see the ability to go to Planet Mode and choose to reset all extractors either of a specific type, or on the planet as a whole to the same cycle times in one set of clicks.

My reasoning is that this is supposed to be a passive income, and when it takes me either 40 minutes every 5 hours, or 40 minutes every 23 hours, that is 40 minutes I am not being able to run missions, mine asteroids, interact with my manufacturing, or shoot people in the face, assuming I did that.

I don't want this to be, set it, and walk away for 3 weeks and it is still running. I, and my corp mates, would like to be able to reset with many many less clicks.


I would like a puppy. Shocked
Seriously. 40 minutes every 23 hours is passive. You're not even the norm since you do it on 2 accounts with l0 Planets and you think 40 Minutes work is too much? Get a grip on reality mate.

Dillon Arklight
Aliastra

Posted - 2010.06.30 19:19:00 - [22]
 


Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2010.07.01 20:31:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Brolly on 01/07/2010 20:31:53
Originally by: Ivorr Bigun


PI needs:

select all
route all
link all
extract all
choose cycle all
install all

plus ctrl click/shift click options to select multiples.




This please

SnipeDaddy
Posted - 2010.07.01 20:42:00 - [24]
 

Its the sheer number of clicks that i cant hack.

Imuran
Zentor Industries

Posted - 2010.07.01 22:03:00 - [25]
 

Yes - reduction in clicks once set up would make a big difference to my RSI Sad

Simuun
Dark Future Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.01 23:18:00 - [26]
 


Invicti Nyx
Versus Gloria Omnis
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
Posted - 2010.07.02 03:01:00 - [27]
 

Supported. Sixty or more clicks per planet doesn't add to difficulty or interactivity, doesn't urge you to log in more often, doesn't do anything to stop botting or macros, and certainly doesn't add fun.

Laconis Dax
Children of Armok

Posted - 2010.07.02 03:06:00 - [28]
 

Supported!

Chuwok Eita
Posted - 2010.07.02 04:50:00 - [29]
 


Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.02 12:50:00 - [30]
 

Supported - Its pain enough to check in every 30min if you want maximum efficiency, no need to drag around clicking on extractors for another 5 when you do.


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