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Arthainas
Amarr
Black Hand Templars
The Veyr Collective
Posted - 2010.07.31 22:43:00 - [241]
 

Terrans...... Hmmmm his statement makes me wonder, what if this, Sansha the Jove are both Terran puppets? What if the terrans did not disappear as thought?

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2010.08.02 13:21:00 - [242]
 

Does anyone currently have any evidence that the Jovians still exist as a government or even a people?






Arvo Katsuya
Caldari
True Slave Foundations
Posted - 2010.08.02 18:17:00 - [243]
 

...I have my suspicions they do, Mr. Mokk.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:41:00 - [244]
 

To the best of my knowledge, repeated requests for comment/official position made to Jove Directorate, their diplomacy, agents and even SoCT reps were not even acknowledged in the recent past.

Jovians seem disappeared.

Altair DarkAce
Posted - 2010.08.05 06:24:00 - [245]
 

And so we see the end of the beginning...

END GRAVE
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.05 15:01:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Altair DarkAce
And so we see the end of the beginning...


What is the end but a new beginning?...


If Nation gained control over a Jove station and are using it and its tech, and when we defeat Nation that tech will be ours, think of the possibilities...

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2010.08.05 18:23:00 - [247]
 

I agree Mr. Grave.

The group or government who gains possession of that technology could very well end up ruling the stars for the next thousand years, couldn't they?



Blood Saber
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.05 21:54:00 - [248]
 

After reading everyones thoughts and taking a close look at the photo, i'd have to say the Nation is perparing for an attack. I will also have to say this is probably a small portion of their fleet. I know i might sound far fecthed in this idea, but if you think strategicly what would be the best way to cause a commotion amongst us capsuleers and with the heads of the empire. This is one way to keep us from seeing past the truth and keeping us to bicker amongst one another. It's true we don't have much information on the situration, but isn't that what we should be doing. Shouldn't we be trying to figure out what the Nations true goals are?

As for the Joves' being involed, all i can really say is, i'm not sure. I can spectulat like everyone else but i'd rather have some facts to go off of, before making a true statment. If someone has information on this please let us know, this would give us a bigger insight on the problem that lies before us.

For the last point that i came across and have ponder much on, the situration with CONCORD. They have alot of power, though they don't use this power cept doing certain times, the problem i see with them is they have a source of technogoly, that for some reason out stips most capsuleers and empires combine. Yes i do know that Jove technogoly is what help bring CONCORD into existence, the problem i see is this: If the Nations found out how to use Jove technogly from the station they have in their possesion, wouldn't this in terms allow them to take control of CONCORD? CONCORD being the means of preventing captial ships fighting in high secuity space, keeping the peace between the 4 empires, and making sure we capsuleers don't get too out of hand. If the Nation were to gain control of CONCORD though Jove technogoly, wouldn't their plans be a bit closer to completetion. Which means they can in turn take what they truly desire, every living being in the galaxy.

Maybe my theories are a bit far fecthed but i truly believe that we might have a greater problem on our hands if we don't take action sooner instead of later. Of course we need more facts and information on the situration. Only then would we be truly perpared for what will take place. I hope that by sharing the theories i have will help unravel this mystery.

Alex Rendez
Daj'Juntar
Posted - 2010.08.07 17:36:00 - [249]
 

Is that a Jovian titan? =o

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.08.07 17:44:00 - [250]
 

A thought occurs.

Pound for pound, we capsuleers are worth a lot more than the average Sansha drone. Or really, the average anything.

If Sansha's stumblegoons have found a way to Jovian space, why haven't we? We are supposed to be better than them. I suggest we re-focus our campaign from the defensive, where it has conclusively proven to be completely ineffectual... and go on the offensive. No more capsuleer rallies to defend systems as Sansha attacks pop up, because those end up with hundreds of thousands taken away, even with the best resistance we can muster.

It's clear the Jovians are no longer capable of holding their own space. Perhaps it is time we bashed our way through the wormholes until our ships are parked on main street, Joveville. Perhaps it is time we seized the technology they were unwilling to employ due to their existential malaise. Unlike them, we still have a reason to keep living.

Ellis Croix
Posted - 2010.08.07 18:15:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
If Sansha's stumblegoons have found a way to Jovian space, why haven't we? We are supposed to be better than them.

They are not limited by CONCORD regulations on what they can experiment with and/or on. We are. Perhaps Haeldone Dorgiers can answer this question; if we capsuleers presented a potential technology to counter this threat would they want us to use it? If we presented the schematics of a "device" (if it were even possible) that could do exactly what Nation can with these point defect anomalies, would they let us use it?

It's not that there is no way to get there. It's that we're not allowed to. If capsuleers had the technology of the Jove it would be the end of the Empires, and potentially us.

I don't think we have the numbers - yet - for such an undertaking, and we certainly do not have the unity that such a task would require. We would be at each other's throats for a larger take, more resources, better fights. Of course that also puts into sharp contrast the apparent position of Sansha's Nation.

I agree. The defensive battles need to end. We are making no progress, and Sansha's Nation has the advantage. They can apparently choose the time and place of an engagement, and by this time should understand the extent of our response capabilities. We need more information and better tools to effectively confront this threat.

Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2010.08.08 08:35:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Ellis Croix
It's that we're not allowed to.

It would be very useful if we could use technology we already have (but which CONCORD bans from use in Empire) to speed our defensive response to Nation. I'm specifically thinking about jump bridges and cyno's. I don't know about everyone else but setting up a small jump bridge network for SYNE/FCORE fleets would be very useful and might save many lives.

With regards the state of the Jovian people I think the revelations of this True Plague creature are very grave. It can obviously remotely hack implants when it's in close proximity of someone, kill them, and animate their body, and, it can do it to someone with highly advanced implants. If the recent information is correct she took out an entire research station full of true slaves, single handedly. Who knows what True Plague did to any Jovians who are not in stasis, nor what malevolent surprises she may have left behind.

Personally I'm planning on deploying a ship with it's own clone vat and cloaking system as soon as I can. Just imagine if it got loose on a station with our clones in it?

Vorengard
Caldari
Waking Nightmare Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.08 14:24:00 - [253]
 

A thought occurs to me. Perhaps the exact purpose of Sanshas atacks is to draw to our atention that he has control of Jovian Technology. Imagine that you had the power to atack anywhere, any place at any time. Imagine you could call up wormholes at your own free will and then use them to move massive numbers of ships across the galaxy instantly. You could hit your enemies any time, any where from anywhere with whatever you wanted. Now what would you give for this power? How many people would you be willing to kill? What reasources would you not expend to gain control of such an ability?

Perhaps Sanshas true design is to devide us all over our desire for this strange new Tech of his. There isn't a capsuleer in the galazy who would not sell his soul for such a tech, even if it were just so he could re-sell it to another for billions. And what would happen if the capsuleers were on the verge of aquiring such tech? Would not the Empires themselves fight to the death to obtain it, even if it were solely to prevent the capsuleers from having it? Can not the same be said for CONCORD?

No friends it seems to me that the best way for Sansha to devide us all is by filling us all with such a great desire for his own powers that we tear each other apart fighting for it. It would be all the powers of New Eden destroying each other for possesion of this new technology, and all the while Sansha slinks around in the backround completely unnoticed, doing whatever he pleases while the galaxy tears itself apart around him.

We must be very careful indeed.

lolchar
Posted - 2010.08.10 12:08:00 - [254]
 

WE ARE SCREWED

Vorengard
Caldari
Waking Nightmare Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.10 13:18:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: lolchar
WE ARE SCREWED


Oh don't be hysterical. Where Kuvakai to be foolish enough to bring his forces out of his wormholes, where they are safe, he would quickly find the combined might of the Capsuleers decended upon him. Imagins the riches to be gained from destroying a Sansha Titan.....

Rongidge
Posted - 2010.08.10 20:01:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Rongidge on 10/08/2010 20:02:37
There was a interesting thought:
the terrans are coming back.

however, i dont think that this is entirely true.
I remember reading something about "hidden, cloaked and hard to find" terran stations in our universe. Maybe the Nation stumbled upon one.

and to all the sansha loyalists: since you dont tell us Kuvakeis plan it can only mean that we CAN stop it, so dont feel "almighty".
Real power comes from differences that are united, from bonds that are forged in war, either with friends, allies or enemies and i will NOT stand idly by while you take away the freedom of the people. if they want to join your ranks, i will not stand in their way, mostly cause this is the way i recruit the crews of my ships.

PS: if somebody is interested in a new kind of counteroffensive that could help us make our defense even more devastating, write me a evemail and i will relay some of the details to you.

This Statement is my statement and does not necessarily represent the opinion of my corp or my corpmates

Runehouse
Posted - 2010.08.10 21:19:00 - [257]
 

As I watch this discussion continue I am berated with countless decrees of violence, we will crush you, grind you to dust, obliterate you if you attack you monsters Sansha nation. I was born Caldari and of that nation I am Archura we are a people of monks, inventors, stargazers we are not brought up like the Cirves or the Deteis we are brought up with a greater compassion and understanding. But being Caldari also means if you believe in something you will fight to the bloody end to attain it we did gain independence from the Gallente after all. Well I believe in a world of peace for all and for me the Nation and the Master hath provided, I am utterly and completely ready to renounce the barbarities or the 4 empires renounce my status as that of a Caldari citizen to join and become a part of my utopia the Nation, to become a link in the chain great and small, and for this nation I would die a Citizen Capsulear. you so called gods may have enough power to wipe clean the 4 empires if the whim arises but what of those Capsulears whom believe in the Nation and that of the Master, you who would scoff at those numbers of ships in the link the master hath provided how then would you react if those numbers would be tripled by Citizen Capsulears. We do exist in numbers thought New Eden we are everywhere, how then would you react if we began to assemble and attack in numbers?

cyberniee
Posted - 2010.08.11 11:10:00 - [258]
 

I'd like to fight with you guys! but i cant figure out where to sign in, and where, in what solar system i need to be :S i hope someone can provide me with this info.
thanks

Azure Blooder
Amarr
A Miner Dream
Posted - 2010.08.12 07:14:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Runehouse
As I watch this discussion continue I am berated with countless decrees of violence, we will crush you, grind you to dust, obliterate you if you attack you monsters Sansha nation. I was born Caldari and of that nation I am Archura we are a people of monks, inventors, stargazers we are not brought up like the Cirves or the Deteis we are brought up with a greater compassion and understanding. But being Caldari also means if you believe in something you will fight to the bloody end to attain it we did gain independence from the Gallente after all. Well I believe in a world of peace for all and for me the Nation and the Master hath provided, I am utterly and completely ready to renounce the barbarities or the 4 empires renounce my status as that of a Caldari citizen to join and become a part of my utopia the Nation, to become a link in the chain great and small, and for this nation I would die a Citizen Capsulear. you so called gods may have enough power to wipe clean the 4 empires if the whim arises but what of those Capsulears whom believe in the Nation and that of the Master, you who would scoff at those numbers of ships in the link the master hath provided how then would you react if those numbers would be tripled by Citizen Capsulears. We do exist in numbers thought New Eden we are everywhere, how then would you react if we began to assemble and attack in numbers?


Personally i think your a bit off. Even if you did manage to pull off what you say, I truly believe everybody would stomp it down, quickly as possible. Your efforts to stip people of their free will, will grant even more people the power to fight you and the Nation. Though many would join the battlefields, i know i'm no fighter. Does that mean i'll just sit back and watch, well kind of. I will do my part by mining every roid i see and sending it off to those who need it most, mainly those who are making the ships for our brave soldiers fighting the Nation.

Azure Blooder, a miner

Runehouse
Posted - 2010.08.12 15:43:00 - [260]
 

Mr. Blooder it is a common misconseption, one the empires would want you to believe that Nation strips you of free will, that we forcebly abudct people, but this is simply not true. we have shown each member of the Nation the truth and the truth they have acpeted with open arms and joined nation of the own "Will" as you say.

Mr. Blooder i offer you the same chance at truth the same opertunity as those people on the planets were offed. if you are so inclined to listen with a open mind i would make the trip back to empire to enlighten you and show you what Nation is all about.

Vlandril
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.13 15:15:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: Runehouse
Mr. Blooder it is a common misconseption, one the empires would want you to believe that Nation strips you of free will, that we forcebly abudct people, but this is simply not true. we have shown each member of the Nation the truth and the truth they have acpeted with open arms and joined nation of the own "Will" as you say.

Mr. Blooder i offer you the same chance at truth the same opertunity as those people on the planets were offed. if you are so inclined to listen with a open mind i would make the trip back to empire to enlighten you and show you what Nation is all about.


Please enlighten me/us on what IS Nation.

Runehouse
Posted - 2010.08.13 17:23:00 - [262]
 

Very well Vlandril, please keep in mind I am no Amasador or Spokesman of the Nation however it is the civic duty of all citizens of Nation to help dispel the darkness surounding our utopia.

it is comonly known the Nation was founded some hundred years ago by the Master. He had imaganed a world of no constraints, a world of order and peace. The problem with a universal peace however there is no profit to be made no war to be had, no racial hatred to prolong, and so the empire united only this one time to crush the only notion of true harmony.

Now befor you say anything i would also like you to know that the Nation is not just a place marked in your neocom, but it is a idea, a desire, a will. It is the idea that peoples of all nationality of all makes and religions can work toether in a comon goal, the beterment of makind. It is in Nation that all hatred, prejudices Stereotypes are striped from the indevidual and what is left is the true human being. he or she dose not wish ill upon his or her fellow man but will work with him and for the furtherment of Nation itself to protect this hormony.

It is for this ideology that i left the waring State and the main capsuleer comunity. so long as one indevidual of Nation survives the idea will survivee for a idea is imortal so long as there is one man whom can cayry and spread this idea to new places and new people.

This Mr. Vlandril is what Nation is at its very core.

Niall R
Posted - 2010.08.13 21:53:00 - [263]
 

We can tell only one thing from this photograph; that Sansha (or whomever is in his place) has amassed a fleet capable of laying waste to myriad planets.

I'm no expert tactian, or indeed an expert anything, however, it is not possible for this fleet to move into empire space as one.
It cannot use stargates, as it has many capital ships, and it cannot use natural wormholes, as their mass allowances wouldn't allow for half this fleet, let alone the whole thing. As some have said, they could be in possion of Jovian technology, which would make them capable of jumping over vast distances unhindered by laws and other obstacles.

But how would they have encountered this technology? The Jovians have, on the whole, been reluctant to relinquish any of their technology to any of the four main empires. Why would they act any differently toward Sansha's Nation? Promises of territory within empire space? The Jove fleet could anihilate us with ease. Alignnment of polictal veiws? Again, the Jovians would have wiped the floor with us by now. Did they take it by force? Although many of Sansha's vessels are bastardised versions of mainstream ships, they cannot have been modified so much that they could stand up to any large Jovian fleet.

In conclusion, I think we should wait. As I stated abbove, this fleet has no easy way to reach empire space. They probably realise this, and who knows? Maybe their current agenda isn't anything to do with us. They might be focusing on the Guristas, or the Blood Raiders.

Ferroto Baggins
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.08.13 21:53:00 - [264]
 

does this mean possible jovian tech comming into the game YARRRR!!

Fournone
Posted - 2010.08.14 22:47:00 - [265]
 

Edited by: Fournone on 14/08/2010 22:48:49
Originally by: Ferroto Baggins
does this mean possible jovian tech comming into the game YARRRR!!


((this is the roleplay forum ferrtot, please act in character))

So the sansha have fleet, they hacked into a CONCORD ship, are nearing the 13 million mark on thier mass kidnapping, are in Jove space, and the empires think the Nation is not a threat. That about some it up?

Its not the nations actions that distrup me its the fact that the empires and CONCORD are turning a blind eye to them. With the Jove still silent, something must be wrong. I feel a storm is coming, the winds of time are changing, we are at a crossroads. Do not do it for yourself, fight for others, others who may be saved through your efort.

'What we do now, we do for the survival of our species, only we can rescue us from ourselves. It shall come to pass, that the fires in the depths of our souls, shall return those who will defie us, to the hell from whence they came, for there can be no destiny but our own.'

Adrasteia Reiko
Posted - 2010.08.15 16:37:00 - [266]
 

I say unite and kill em all!!! They want the cure its in my machine guns

Jay Marshall
Caldari
Walks Forever Trade Inc
EVE Trade Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.15 17:55:00 - [267]
 

I have been watching, monitoring and assessing information as it has been coming in. From my corporations own small encounters with Sansha to our recent encounter with the tower in Isikemi I have see much conjecture, wild ideas and indeed rather far fetched reasoning.

We know that the Sansha are not what the majority of us would call normal. The greater majority seems to be against their ideology and indeed methodology. We see their kidnapping of people as an affront to us, to our way of life. They claim they are freeing those trapped by our way of thinking, but we don’t see it as being freed. Indeed many see it as enslavement, a loss of ones will to the greater collective that is the Nation.

We have seen examples of this in their cybernetic monstrosities that pilot their ships and indeed one has to wonder how a group who claims to be freeing people so that they are free of all problems can claim that by turning said freed people into cybernetic slaves to pilot their ships is “freedom”. I am sure that Nation’s representatives will claim it is for the greater good, or that those that are “enhanced” like that are volunteers, selflessly sacrificing themselves to bring the Nation to its rightful place. Anyone who would willingly sacrifice their very humanity to that extreme, in my opinion, doesn’t need to flying a ship, they need to be in a bed, on medication and being heavily monitored. I am sure one could argue the same for many of our own pilots, but at least we still show the trappings of humanity, living with our passions, our emotions, something Nation doesn’t seem to want. Instead, to quote Mr. Runehouse, they want to “strip” from us that which makes each of us different.

I give you a speech I heard from a Nation indoctrination video we scavenged from one of their transports carrying “freed people” to whatever gruesome fate was awaiting them. Of the two hundred we got off the ships, only eight managed to re-integrate into modern society. The others just sit catatonic on their beds awaiting instructions. We don’t know what was done to them, but our best med tech are administering to them at this time.

I congratulate you.

At last peace reigns in out time
At last war is but word whose meaning fades from our understanding.
At last we are at home.

Those of the Nation.

There is a disease in the heart of man.

Its symptom is hate. Its symptom is anger. Its symptom is rage. Its symptom is war.

The disease is human emotion.

But those of Nation.

I congratulate you.

For there is a cure for this disease.

At the cost of the dizzying highs of human emotion, we have suppressed its abysmal lows. You as a society have embraced this cure.

Now we are at peace with ourselves, and humankind is one.

War is gone.

Hate, a memory.

We are our own conscience now, and it is this conscience that guides us to free others so that they too can embrace the cure.

You have won.

Against all odds, and your own natures, you have survived.


This vid was playing on a continual loop in all compartments that the people onboard the ship. These compartments where the people were strapped into chairs, staring blank faced at the vid screen, monitors attached to their temples and zombie like technicians wandering around.

We were unable to find out whatever this cure was, but technicians managed to destroy a healthy amount of equipment and drugs before we got onboard after disabling the engines.

Sansha is not us. We the majority it seems reject its ideology. We do not want it, nor do the vast majority of the settled worlds of the empire and the territories outside them. What right does Nation have to kidnap, steal and mentally traumatize our fellow people? I say none. The majority says none. Its time the majority stood shoulder to shoulder and removed Nation. We did it once, we merely need to do it again.

Mrs Maltaproject
Posted - 2010.08.18 11:35:00 - [268]
 

guys look they're going to be easy kills, theyre using shield repping carriers with armor tanking dreads and titans, we all get titan KM's \o/

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.08.18 11:40:00 - [269]
 

We capsuleers are obviously one thing.....
We are a weapon

We were trained to kill, to overpower, out date, and destroy everything in our way. Now is the time to reach our full potential and be what we were made to be.

Gods among men. Immortal and indestructible. the weakest of us can fly a frigate alone, the most powerful of us can pilot constructs of such size that humanity has never even been capable of making until now.
We can clone ourselves to infinity and do the work of hundreds of men. Sansha will run out of slaves, even if they strip trillions of people from their worlds we can still remain.

Be BOLD pilots, a hundred deaths and rebirths await us in the near future.And each incarnation will be more terrible than the last.

PHPR Freighter
Minmatar
Men of Questionable Moral Fibre
Posted - 2010.08.20 05:34:00 - [270]
 

After doing some very very light research, doesn't the nation have more enemies then just the Empires? I am reading through some historical records about who the Nation has for allies, but I cannot say much other then they have possibly the Covenant as allies. Please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this escalate to a much larger event if he managed to talk with contacts inside the Guristas, Covenant, Serpentis, and the Cartel? If he has access to sleeper technology, wouldn't he also find a way to control the rogue drones?


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