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McFantastic
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:15:00 - [181]
 

We are all monsters here.

Capsuleers and CONCORD like to criticize "pirate" groups like Sansha's Nation and the Blood Raiders for their bizarre rituals, experimentation, and apparent hostility. They turn a blind eye to the fact that the capsuleers themselves are no longer truly human. Every moment we spend in a pod, detached from our bodies with our mental faculties being augmented by ship systems, we lose a little bit of that humanity.

I may be new among the ranks, but even I have begun to notice a certain growing apathy towards the fates of mere "mortal" men. We cannot die, but our crews can. When was the last time you thought of your crew as anything but another ship subsystem? Every time we lose a ship, people die, but we only think of it in terms of ISK lost and gained. It's only natural that we think in such a way, and that is the price that all of humanity must pay for our existence. The price we pay is more subtle.

Jove has given us gifts bound in curses. It shocks me that so few among us have considered the long-term implications of both. The Sisters, the Nation, the Raiders, all of them have come to terms with our dying humanity in their own way.

We must come to it in ours, lest we suffer the same fate as Jove.

The Sleepers chose to remove themselves from the galaxy rather than continue down the path that we have now set. Perhaps it is time for all of us to start asking why.

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.06.29 17:23:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: McFantastic
We are all monsters here.

Capsuleers and CONCORD like to criticize "pirate" groups like Sansha's Nation and the Blood Raiders for their bizarre rituals, experimentation, and apparent hostility. They turn a blind eye to the fact that the capsuleers themselves are no longer truly human. Every moment we spend in a pod, detached from our bodies with our mental faculties being augmented by ship systems, we lose a little bit of that humanity.

I may be new among the ranks, but even I have begun to notice a certain growing apathy towards the fates of mere "mortal" men. We cannot die, but our crews can. When was the last time you thought of your crew as anything but another ship subsystem? Every time we lose a ship, people die, but we only think of it in terms of ISK lost and gained. It's only natural that we think in such a way, and that is the price that all of humanity must pay for our existence. The price we pay is more subtle.

Jove has given us gifts bound in curses. It shocks me that so few among us have considered the long-term implications of both. The Sisters, the Nation, the Raiders, all of them have come to terms with our dying humanity in their own way.

We must come to it in ours, lest we suffer the same fate as Jove.

The Sleepers chose to remove themselves from the galaxy rather than continue down the path that we have now set. Perhaps it is time for all of us to start asking why.


I don't! Me and my crew on my retriver are sooo tight! after we bring in i big haul of scord i take them back to the station for some Quafe+!
Can't really say the same thing about the guys in my caracal.... we got trapped in a bubble and a cane pounded out the artillery...... Good times..... thanks to Quafe i can enjoy my friends company whenever!
P.S Check the new Chron..... you'll understand.

Ocin
Rapscallions
Posted - 2010.06.29 19:01:00 - [183]
 

It seems a battle was fought for this station several weeks ago and the Sansha forces came out on top.

Information posted in this thread suggests Sansha were in 3-CE1R several weeks ago and that a battle took place.

Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.29 23:40:00 - [184]
 

I know that a fleet of this magnitude is nothing special to most capsuleers out there. But you have to remember that, up to this point, such huge fleets have been in control of either capsuleers or one of the major empires. Considering that this fleet is under control of such an organisation as Sansha's Nation... The mere thought strikes fear to my heart.

Kristanna Hotraq
Minmatar
Angel Whores
Posted - 2010.06.30 04:44:00 - [185]
 

I say good luck to them. (I'm more of an Angel girl myself, but Sansha is a close second)

Come to take the trash out of Hi-Sec. What have CONCORD or the Navy's done for us recently anyway?

And think of the potential the technological advances may hold for us. Change is good.

Next time you open up a wormhole and unleash some carnage, feel free to invite me to fleet.




SimonBitdiddle
Posted - 2010.06.30 06:29:00 - [186]
 

All things considered, I'd expect them to launch an attack on someplace well populated and debilitating like... say... Jita...

The economic and political havoc wreaked by that sort of attack, even if there was enough time to notify any capsulteers in Jita to evacuate, would cleanly destroy Empire...

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.30 06:55:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: SimonBitdiddle
All things considered, I'd expect them to launch an attack on someplace well populated and debilitating like... say... Jita...

The economic and political havoc wreaked by that sort of attack, even if there was enough time to notify any capsulteers in Jita to evacuate, would cleanly destroy Empire...

I can assure you that there are enough pirates roaming with discos to wipe out all the empire navies if need be, a small fleet like Sansha's would get podded while still in warp.

Torquil Noble
Caldari
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2010.06.30 10:12:00 - [188]
 

Are we in Huttaken still in danger or can we go to our beds in the knowledge that protection is available?

Trade must go on...

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.06.30 12:47:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Brandrsun
Hubris comes before the downfall. I would not sing of victories when the fight has yet to be fought. It shows you as foolish and arrogant.


You underestimate the power of a single 0.0 alliance, let alone a coalition, let alone all capsuleers. While impressive looking, any major alliance could deal with that fleet.



You underestimate the power of being able to hotdrop through an artificial wormhole to anywhere in the cluster. That isn't an ability to be underestimated.

Arthainas
Amarr
Black Hand Templars
The Veyr Collective
Posted - 2010.06.30 16:47:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: McFantastic
We are all monsters here.

Capsuleers and CONCORD like to criticize "pirate" groups like Sansha's Nation and the Blood Raiders for their bizarre rituals, experimentation, and apparent hostility. They turn a blind eye to the fact that the capsuleers themselves are no longer truly human. Every moment we spend in a pod, detached from our bodies with our mental faculties being augmented by ship systems, we lose a little bit of that humanity.

I may be new among the ranks, but even I have begun to notice a certain growing apathy towards the fates of mere "mortal" men. We cannot die, but our crews can. When was the last time you thought of your crew as anything but another ship subsystem? Every time we lose a ship, people die, but we only think of it in terms of ISK lost and gained. It's only natural that we think in such a way, and that is the price that all of humanity must pay for our existence. The price we pay is more subtle.

Jove has given us gifts bound in curses. It shocks me that so few among us have considered the long-term implications of both. The Sisters, the Nation, the Raiders, all of them have come to terms with our dying humanity in their own way.

We must come to it in ours, lest we suffer the same fate as Jove.

The Sleepers chose to remove themselves from the galaxy rather than continue down the path that we have now set. Perhaps it is time for all of us to start asking why.


Yes but this is of course assuming you even have a crew, with current techology in capsules we have no need for the use of a crew, the ship and all it's funcictions are controlled by our thoughts from inside the pod. With the help of drones, so people are only die if you like to imploy people to get on your ship in the first place. I however prefer my machines. Prefer them over the faults and imperfection of humans.

Valiermox
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.01 12:05:00 - [191]
 

As far as my own research into the topic has been concerned, the fleet size we have seen could be only a reserve section, or maybe a small retinue fleet. Who knows whats out there, and who knows what they can do at this point in time. We don't have the intel to go in and physically count every single ship in the fleet, nor are we going to send a Capsuleer into the WH.

All of what we know beside the initial probing of the WH, is nothing. How can we even say that our weapons can hurt these ships? That my friends, is a question to strike at least some fear into us all.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.07.01 12:14:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: KoffeeKup
Originally by: McFantastic
We are all monsters here.

Capsuleers and CONCORD like to criticize "pirate" groups like Sansha's Nation and the Blood Raiders for their bizarre rituals, experimentation, and apparent hostility. They turn a blind eye to the fact that the capsuleers themselves are no longer truly human. Every moment we spend in a pod, detached from our bodies with our mental faculties being augmented by ship systems, we lose a little bit of that humanity.

I may be new among the ranks, but even I have begun to notice a certain growing apathy towards the fates of mere "mortal" men. We cannot die, but our crews can. When was the last time you thought of your crew as anything but another ship subsystem? Every time we lose a ship, people die, but we only think of it in terms of ISK lost and gained. It's only natural that we think in such a way, and that is the price that all of humanity must pay for our existence. The price we pay is more subtle.

Jove has given us gifts bound in curses. It shocks me that so few among us have considered the long-term implications of both. The Sisters, the Nation, the Raiders, all of them have come to terms with our dying humanity in their own way.

We must come to it in ours, lest we suffer the same fate as Jove.

The Sleepers chose to remove themselves from the galaxy rather than continue down the path that we have now set. Perhaps it is time for all of us to start asking why.


I don't! Me and my crew on my retriver are sooo tight! after we bring in i big haul of scord i take them back to the station for some Quafe+!
Can't really say the same thing about the guys in my caracal.... we got trapped in a bubble and a cane pounded out the artillery...... Good times..... thanks to Quafe i can enjoy my friends company whenever!
P.S Check the new Chron..... you'll understand.


OMG this is so win. Real life lolz here!

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.07.01 19:48:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Iture
We capsuleer's are gods.
We are immortal and invincible.


That is a pretty silly thought.

Destroy the cloning facilities, inject some virus to garble the cloning process and what then? Where is all the glory and immortality then when you wake up in a clone not even able of forming a single coherent thought?

And invincible? Tell that Concord the next time when someone forgets to pay the bill to them and they turn off all the stations. You think that Concord cannot be invaded and controlled by someone else, to cause havok amongst capsuleers?

The best slaves are those who think they are free.

omega myr
Posted - 2010.07.02 00:38:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie


...The best slaves are those who think they are free.


these words will ring in the ears of all those who will participate in the upcoming war, and yes there will be war. but who the participants will be are still a mystery even to them.

dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.07.02 02:03:00 - [195]
 

I'm gonna farm the **** out of that.

CrimsonRockWolf
Posted - 2010.07.02 12:14:00 - [196]
 

Slight problem guys... a probe I launched through a high security space wormhole ended up in an unknown system... before it could take any relevant pictures or scans it got blown up but the one thing that struck me as odd was a garbled transmission that the probe relayed back before it was destroyed, here's a transcript:

Unknown 1: The Master's plan ..-static-.. enemy probe detected, initiating ...-static-... shipyard must be kept hidden.... -end of transmission- .

Now this was well over a year ago, never gave it a second thought up until I read up on the recent incidents, could it be possible I stumbled across a staging area? and if so... could it be possible that the Nation has hidden capital shipyards in wormhole space? The odds are against us if the Nation's technological level has advanced to the point at which it can recalibrate and successfully deploy space installations in wormhole space and would also explain why everyone is having a hard time believing the Nation's new strength... I fear though...that the Nation's grand/main fleet is many orders of a magnitude bigger than the one we've seen as ,excluding the capital ships, many of those ships can be readily manufactured in the known Sansha stations in the Stain region.


Alpha Spinecone
Posted - 2010.07.02 20:06:00 - [197]
 

Now Im not overly familiar with the backstory of EVE, although I try to be, but if this wormhole leads to a jovian system, what the f*ck are the sansha doing down there?

Unless they are jove ships, in which case, I hope they're on our side........

Araloni
Posted - 2010.07.03 03:52:00 - [198]
 

To counter a fleet like that each core world of all the empires would need a fleet around it for protection.

Miang Hawwa
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.03 04:14:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Iture
Originally by: Brandrsun

Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat?


Unite? why would we need too?
Atlas alone could wipe them from the face of existence.
Such overconfidence will be the downfall of your pitiful alliance. You shall fall, and not by the Nation's hand, but by the hand of mere capsuleers that do seek your non-existence. Such amusing is the future of you and Atlas that you are unable to see your utter destruction even if it's right under your noses.

Can't you see it? It is coming. Oh I'm so delighted. It will be a true pleasure watching you all die.


Aracus Kaskan
Posted - 2010.07.03 11:50:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Axemaster
Originally by: Veron Daerth
Firstly, to address the issue of a titan impacting a planetary surface. Collision between objects in a spatial environment DO NOT calculate the same, since explosions,concussion, and energy propagate differently in space than an atmosphere. I dont have the equations directly handy, but a 10,000 meter diameter iron asteroid traveling at 60m/s (max speed for a stock Avatar) with an overall desity of 8.0grams/cm3 (basic iron asteroid) impacting a temperate world with a standard oxy-nitro atmosphere at an impact angle of 90degrees will release 1,790 megatons of explosive force and will create a crater just shy of 16.5 km across and just over 1 km deep at its epicenter. An Avatar, for comparison, is 13km in length along its long axis, and masses in at 2,278,125 metric tons. You can safely assume its density is much greater than a standard asteroid.


60m/s is very very slow, so I find it extremely hard to believe that you would get any crater at all. More like a big rock pile. I mean, 60m/s is what you get if you drop it from a few stories up. Your analysis is ludicrous.


Surely when the avatar enters the atmosphere of the planet gravity will take over and force it down at a much higher speed.
Out.

CrimsonRockWolf
Posted - 2010.07.03 19:30:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: CrimsonRockWolf on 03/07/2010 19:30:54
60 m/s... slow? that's 216 km/h, to put it in perspective... if you hit a tree at that speed head on you'd slice your car in half down the middle and we're talking about a titan (millions upon millions of tons of metals) colliding with a planet... I'll have to put this in perspective as well... you could, if you hit the right spot at that speed with that much mass, destroy the planet's habitability (hit an active fault line or another spot where the planet's crust is thinner and you might just crack the planet or turn it into a ball of superheated plasma in any case the event itself will **** the entire planet due to increased tectonic activity, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and the inevitable dust clouds blotting out the sun).

Yehat Quan
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.03 19:31:00 - [202]
 

I wake up after a year long cryogenic treatment, and what do I see? Capsuleers discussing who is stronger then whom, with no second thought spent on what they are seeing in the image.

The reason this doesn't look like a Gallente station, is... the station is not in the camera image. One has to wonder whether it even still exists.

Mr. Kuvakei, when you say this thing is yours, you mean it quite literally, don't you. This is your capital ship. It is also a Jovian Mothership, which by any other standards is a Titan, like the other ships surrounding it. And if I recall my history lessons correctly, one of those things was responsible for the destruction of most of the Ammar fleet.

Now, there are only two ways for you to get one of those: you got it from the defecting Jove admiral (would he really have access to one of those?), or you refurbished a Jovian Mothership wreck.

Analysing the force carefully... You do create those out of our wrecks, don't you. There would be no other reason for your fleet to be such a rag-tag assembly. In fact, that is a pretty smart way to deal with the enormous amount of resources that creating a Titan takes, even if you have an entire Nation at your disposal.

In any case, if Sansha managed to restore the Mothership's weaponry, whoever gets to battle this fleet will have to deal with losses as heavy as those of the Ammar fleet during their assault on the Jove. So much for the irrelevant occupied Jove station.


Now, as everyone can see from my relationships with the empires, I am not interested in politics or upholding one nation above another. I am, however, interested in new technology. I will probably have to re-learn using the current generation of scan probes, but I am sure it will be well worth it. (Congratulations, Mouse. If this ... disease wouldn't have gotten me a year ago, I would have had the same goal as you.)

As to Sansha not having original thoughts: we have a saying where I come from: Better well-stolen than badly invented. Looking at the ship designs of other outlaw factions, I am sure some capsuleers will agree.

James Vayne
Posted - 2010.07.03 21:12:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Yehat Quan
I wake up after a year long cryogenic treatment, and what do I see? Capsuleers discussing who is stronger then whom, with no second thought spent on what they are seeing in the image.

The reason this doesn't look like a Gallente station, is... the station is not in the camera image. One has to wonder whether it even still exists.

Mr. Kuvakei, when you say this thing is yours, you mean it quite literally, don't you. This is your capital ship. It is also a Jovian Mothership, which by any other standards is a Titan, like the other ships surrounding it. And if I recall my history lessons correctly, one of those things was responsible for the destruction of most of the Ammar fleet.

Now, there are only two ways for you to get one of those: you got it from the defecting Jove admiral (would he really have access to one of those?), or you refurbished a Jovian Mothership wreck.

Analysing the force carefully... You do create those out of our wrecks, don't you. There would be no other reason for your fleet to be such a rag-tag assembly. In fact, that is a pretty smart way to deal with the enormous amount of resources that creating a Titan takes, even if you have an entire Nation at your disposal.

In any case, if Sansha managed to restore the Mothership's weaponry, whoever gets to battle this fleet will have to deal with losses as heavy as those of the Ammar fleet during their assault on the Jove. So much for the irrelevant occupied Jove station.


Now, as everyone can see from my relationships with the empires, I am not interested in politics or upholding one nation above another. I am, however, interested in new technology. I will probably have to re-learn using the current generation of scan probes, but I am sure it will be well worth it. (Congratulations, Mouse. If this ... disease wouldn't have gotten me a year ago, I would have had the same goal as you.)

As to Sansha not having original thoughts: we have a saying where I come from: Better well-stolen than badly invented. Looking at the ship designs of other outlaw factions, I am sure some capsuleers will agree.




You sir. Have just won what ancient Terrans would call 'the internet'.

THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.07 13:49:00 - [204]
 

Imagine if they attacked a system like Jita. Think of the Eve market, it would a Chao to everyone, but at the same time it will the most realistic thing to see of how Eve would cope such an attack and recover from it. A point where Eve history would change.

Zachstar
Posted - 2010.07.08 12:50:00 - [205]
 

An attack on Jita? It would have to be atleast a twin titan backed fleet because more capsuleers would show up than flies to a pile of cow poo.

Also as it is the main market hub it is WELL defended by forces and merc groups. Sansha would be a pure moron to attack there.

Ivo Eeinhad
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:19:00 - [206]
 

A quote comes to mind when watching them: "Wipe them out, all of them..." -Lord Sidious

Dan Somtaaw
Posted - 2010.07.09 20:56:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Zachstar
An attack on Jita? It would have to be atleast a twin titan backed fleet because more capsuleers would show up than flies to a pile of cow poo.

Also as it is the main market hub it is WELL defended by forces and merc groups. Sansha would be a pure moron to attack there.


And that's when they will get our core worlds. Gather hundreds of thousands of capsuleers there and then bam. Attack alarms begin to ring all over the universe.

acidic Bull3t
Posted - 2010.07.10 03:54:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Commander Negro
If they were able to find a weak spot in its mechanism, (like developing a jamming device which makes the capsule unable the commuincate with its own ship, or worse, emmiting such pulses/ray which is able "enslave" a capsuleer for a brief period of time)than they will have a huge advantage over any empire's technology superiority.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

Sorry had to.

Samiloth Justinian
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.10 22:43:00 - [209]
 

Who cares about the Jovians? If they wanted to kill us then they would have done so long ago, instead they gave us capsuleer technology and thus gave us more power. They don't want to wage war against us, they want us to wage war against someone else.

The thing that should concern us is what frightens the Jovians to such a degree that they arm us with new technology. We all know they have manipulated their genepool and weeded out basic and necessary instincts. They don't even have aggression. Combine that with the fact that they seek out the only State of warriors in New Eden, the Caldari, and give us capsuleer technology and it becomes pretty obvious what kind of plans they have for us all.

The Sleepers can't be the threat that worries the Jovians. They are just a pointless group of vagabonds, withering away while our capsuleers farm them for loot. Caldari tax collectors are a far more serious threat then the Sleepers. The Jovian boogieman is either Terrans or some unknown race we know nothing about yet. In either case, the Jovians will be our allies when the day comes when we will have to face this threat.

The size of the Jove fleet is not what we should worry about, if we now have to worry about the Jovians. It's their technology that can defeat us with the flick of a switch. I just hope that the Jovians let us fight with them willingly instead of hacking our capsuleer brains, or intercepting our signals when we clone, and reprogram us to become their drones. It would suck to wake up as a Jove warrior drone one day. Preferably, they would actually protect us so this unknown enemy don't mess with our minds in similar ways.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2010.07.10 22:58:00 - [210]
 

Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 10/07/2010 23:00:22
As I see it, the presence of Sansha forces in Jovian space can only mean one of two things:

1. The Nation and the Directorate are working together to some unknown end.
2. The Nation has attacked the Directorate and taken the system (or at least, the station) by force.

Despite the undoubted prowess of the Jovian Navy, the boastful communiques left in this forum by Sansha representatives combined with the reports of a battle in 3-CE1R lead me to believe that the latter is the more likely of the two.

Unlike some of my other capsuleer bretheren I make no claims to Godhood, or indeed precognitive prowess, but the way things are progressing I can envisage these events marking a new chapter in the history of New Eden. If my previous assumption is correct then the Jovians have shown themselves to be deficient in mataining their soverignty, and (albeit probably later rather than sooner) they may decide that their only recourse is to open their borders and elicit help from the capsuleers they themselves helped to create.

All this is of course speculation, and I do not mean to imply that the loss of one system marks a seismic shift in centuries-old Jovian foreign policy. Having said that, if things continue as they have been and more Jovian systems fall to Kuvakei's forces, then things could get very interesting indeed...

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