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Emarian
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:43:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Emarian on 27/06/2010 10:44:19
Originally by: KoffeeKup
Originally by: Emarian
Edited by: Emarian on 27/06/2010 10:05:23
Originally by: KoffeeKup
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07
Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it.
We are so delusional, we can only stave off death as long as we have a new shell to crawl into. Be careful with your words, as the words "God" or "Immortal" are overstatements.



That may be so, but we can die and rise up again to battle anew.
Also using "Immortal" isn't as accurate but is more convenient to use in conversation.


Yes, but i find that some people take those words to another level and some how believe what they say is a infallible truth.

And how could you rise up again if your clone is destroyed before your consciousness can even make it back to the fresh hunk of crafted biomass in the medical bays clone vat?

Yes that is true of many people I have met, but something like that is inevitable when you take into account the various types of people that become Capsuleers.

You're freshly risen from the dead in your new body.

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:49:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Preden
Originally by: Citizen Astur
Nothing passes through our portals without Master willing it. He wanted you to see the truth.

The first question you should be asking is why, all this time later, the Jove have not come to the empires seeking assistance. Let me give you the answer they will not: It is because they do not want anyone to know the truth.

And what is the truth?

The truth is that the Jove are not as omnipotent as they want the rest of the cluster to believe. Too few of you have questioned, over the years, just how much it serves their own interests to cultivate such a mythology.

Master Kuvakei alone is brave enough to seek other paths. We need not march towards oblivion with the Jove blindly beating the drum. Humanity can still be saved, but only through change that will be confrontational, violent, and at times alienating. These are the costs of a true alternative. We are fighting against almost a decade of entrenched perspectives, this will be no easy task.

Just as this truth will not be easy to accept, but you capsuleers are much more powerful than you think. Master Kuvakei alone recognizes that you are worth more, so much more. Do not be paralyzed by fear and doubt. Do not become distracted by propaganda and myth.

Think rationally about what you see before you.



This may well be largely propaganda on the part the Nation, and therefore I would advise taking this with a pinch of salt, however I believe there may be some truth in the matter.

"Do not become distracted by propoganda and myth." - This much I agree with. I have long believed that the Jovian Empire is not as powerful as their reputation leads us to believe. If Capsuleers are clearing out ranks of Sleepers in Wormhole space, a theorised distant relation to the Jovians, then it stands to reasons Capsuleers may also pose a threat to the Jovian Empire. Perhaps that is one of the reasons Jovian authorities have closed their borders with us?

Regardless as to the situation I think a response from a Jovian Ambassador, if at all possible, could help to reduce a great deal of speculation. In my opinion at least, it is clear the Nation has control over some Jovian technology, given willing or not.

Beware of the words of Kuvakei's Nation, whilst the power of capsuleers is well known throughout the known reaches of space, caution should be advised. I fear the response from the Nation is partly to press Capsuleers into sudden swift reponses which may result in a loss of clones. We all know how painful that is. The loss of clones may only help further bolster the Nations numbers. Tales have been told of the Nation reanimating deceased corpses. I do not wish to see this become a reality.

Whilst the Nation have graced us with a response, we still have had nothing from the Jovians. Perhaps if no response is made, CONCORD should allow small groups of capsuleers into Jovian space to identify the threat posed by Master Kuvakei's Nation.

There are many interesting theories being aired here, and I don't think we can rule out many of them for sure at this point. The more contact we have with the Nation, or hopefully with the Jovian Empire, the more we will learn about this recent, unexpected turn of events.

For now, I will await further contact with either Master Kuvakei himself, the Nation's apparent chosen spokesperson Citizen Astur or with the Jovian Empire.


I agree, i think that the Jovians weakness was in trying to make themselves immortal, they tampered with their genetics and somehow believed that there would be no consequence. Remember,they are as human as we are, they just are like the rich older kids with the kooler toys. I think its about time they learned to share.

DoubleD231
Minmatar
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:51:00 - [123]
 

There is so many ifs and buts regarding this information, for all we know the nation has just found an empty jove system, stored a mass of ships there and have decided to stir up some trouble. Throwing some epeen around certanly gets responses these days :P

The main questions i think are 1: are the jovians allied with the nation or in some sort of conflict of which we have no information and 2: have the nation aquired/been given jove tech to field.

Emarian
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:05:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: KoffeeKup


I agree, i think that the Jovians weakness was in trying to make themselves immortal, they tampered with their genetics and somehow believed that there would be no consequence. Remember,they are as human as we are, they just are like the rich older kids with the kooler toys. I think its about time they learned to share.


Yep the theme of genetic sterility caused by tampering with your own genes for long enough shows up a lot in sci-fi scenarios.

And sharing is what the Joves definitely need to learn more of, and not just with the Nation or the Angel Cartel.

I want me a Jovian battleship, I believe it's called ;correct me if I am wrong; an Albion.

wafflynumber
Gallente
Dark Nova Syndicate
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:11:00 - [125]
 

It was speculated at the beginning of these attacks that the Jove were involved, now it seems that "theory" holds weight in that it is possibly true. I discerned multiple possibilities from these revelations.

1) A Jovian station has fallen to Sansha control in combat (Possible but unlikely)

2)The Jove have begun supporting Sansha and their ideals, If this is so then the Jove may be contributing to a new genetic program to create "Super soldiers" or may provide Sansha with their famously formidable ships.

3) The station was bought by Sansha or they moved into it after the Jovians left the system.

All of these assumptions are based off my "gut" or from my fellow capsuleers. Of my assumptions, no.2 is the most worrying due to the fact that if the Jove are supporting Sansha then the use of Jove ships in Sansha incursions is an increasing possibility.

Sa'Shena
Amarr
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:15:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Emarian

I want me a Jovian battleship, I believe it's called ;correct me if I am wrong; an Albion.


I think I will correct you.

The Jovian Battleship class is called an 'Eidolon', referring in English to "A Phantom, apparition or an embodiment of an ideal".

Emarian
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:24:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Sa'Shena
Originally by: Emarian

I want me a Jovian battleship, I believe it's called ;correct me if I am wrong; an Albion.


I think I will correct you.

The Jovian Battleship class is called an 'Eidolon', referring in English to "A Phantom, apparition or an embodiment of an ideal".

Thank you, Eidolon and Albion sound similar enough to be confused.

Now if the Jovians are against us we're gonna have to find a way to sink these monsters. Sad

Alexi Thymia
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:37:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Alexi Thymia on 27/06/2010 12:08:46
I feel like this discussion has strayed from it's initial aim and become a philosophical debate about utopian forms of society.

Let us cast this aside and remember the facts for a moment, please. The biggest question recent events have raised is the nature of the Sansha-Jove relationship, and without official comments we are left to logic and conjecture as our tools. Let me list what I consider the hard evidence of our situation.

One. A Sansha Fleet was sighted within a solar system in Jovian Space.

Concerning this, I do not know if this has be given any thought yet, but studying the star map, 3-CE1R seems to be one of the farest outlying systems under jovian authority. Considering rumours about the limited population of the Jove, it would be logical to assume that this system would be one with rather little military presence. Compare this to the infrastructure of the remaining empires: outskirt systems always suffer from lower security status due to limitiations on Concord and Empire Navy numbers. In addition, since conventional means of travel to the Jove Empire are nullified, Jovian military would have little reason to maintain large numbers of defending vessels in 3-CE1R.

Two. Sansha Kuvakei claims to be the "owner" of the Prosper Vault in said system.

I want you all to see this as what it is, a claim. At this point of time, we have little reason to either belief or distrust Kuvakei's words, as it has been said: we've been shown this intel on purpose. To what means? The Sansha spokes-drones would have us take it as a demonstration of power. Yet, as of now, we do not know one thing:

Does the ability to generate wormholes predate the Sansha appearance in Jovian Space, or is the order of things reversed?

Basically, two different scenarios can be imagined. The Sansha either intruded Jove space forcefully (and hence chose a weakly defended system as clarified above) by means of their newfound wormhole technology, OR they were in some way invited to Jove space and learned about this technology by means of aforementioned station. We cannot say which scenario is the true one at this point of time, however, since the Prosper Vault is a financial institution, we can reason from the little we know about Jove society, that it should not be involved into high-tech researching, so there's room for doubt concerning the "secrets within the station". Also, Kuvakei probably wouldn't taunt the Jove after "being invited".

Three. We do not know the status of the remaining solar systems in Jovian Space, and Sansha Kuvakei rallies capsuleers against the "Path of the Jove".

For all we know, a war could be raging within the Jove Empire at this very moment. Assuming the Sansha were the unknown party involved with Ouria back then, it might well be that they've been given the technological foundation for the recent wormhole technology and extensive Jovian infrastructure intelligence back then, which made this - hypothetical - incursion into Jove space possible. We cannot say if Ouria's treason might have given the Sansha additional means to battle the technologically advanced Jove, yet, looking at the facts, and assuming the presence of the Sansha in Jove Space was accomplished by military means, it looks like Kuvakei is "hungry for more" of the Jovian Technology. The sudden allusive comments intended to stroke our narcissism as capsuleers could mean that his incursion of jove space isn't going as smoothly as predicted. This would make the recent abductions "recruitment", and it might well be that Sansha is seeking more help against the defending Jove.

All this is conjecture, of course. Also, this scenario would explain the silence coming from the Jove. And in this point, the Sansha wouldn't even have lied to us: the Jove probably wouldn't want the cluster to know that they're struggling within their own empire. Imagine the damage their aura of invincibility would take if all of this were true.

Torquil Noble
Caldari
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:40:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: DoubleD231
There is so many ifs and buts regarding this information, for all we know the nation has just found an empty jove system, stored a mass of ships there and have decided to stir up some trouble. Throwing some epeen around certanly gets responses these days :P

The main questions i think are 1: are the jovians allied with the nation or in some sort of conflict of which we have no information and 2: have the nation aquired/been given jove tech to field.


3: are the Jovians merely using the Sansha's to test the water?


Emarian
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2010.06.27 12:03:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Alexi Thymia
Edited by: Alexi Thymia on 27/06/2010 11:46:47
One. A Sansha Fleet was sighted within a solar system in Jovian Space.

Concerning this, I do not know if this has be given any thought yet, but studying the star map, 3-CE1R seems to be one of the farest outlying systems under jovian authority. Considering rumours about the limited population of the Jove, it would be logical to assume that this system would be one with rather little military presence. Compare this to the infrastructure of the remaining empires: outskirt systems always suffer from lower security status due to limitiations on Concord and Empire Navy numbers. In addition, since conventional means of travel to the Jove Empire are nullified, Jovian military would have little reason to maintain large numbers of defending vessels in 3-CE1R.

Two. Sansha Kuvakei claims to be the "owner" of the Prosper Vault in said system.

I want you all to see this as what it is, a claim. At this point of time, we have little reason to either belief or distrust Kuvakei's words, as it has been said: we've been shown this intel on purpose. To what means? The Sansha spokes-drones would have us take it as a demonstration of power. Yet, as of now, we do not know one thing:

Does the ability to generate wormholes predate the Sansha appearance in Jovian Space, or is the order of things reversed?

Basically, two different scenarios can be imagined. The Sansha either intruded Jove space forcefully (and hence chose a weakly defended system as clarified above) by means of their newfound wormhole technology, OR they were in some way invited to Jove space and learned about this technology by means of aforementioned station. We cannot say which scenario is the true one at this point of time, however, since the Prosper Vault is a financial institution, we can reason from the little we know about Jove society, that it should not be involved into high technology researching, so there's room for doubt concerning the "secrets within the station". Also, Kuvakei probably wouldn't taunt the Jove after "being invited".

Three. We do not know the status of the remaining solar systems in Jovian Space, and Sansha Kuvakei rallies capsuleers against the "Path of the Jove".

For all we know, a war could be raging within the Jove Empire at this very moment. Assuming the Sansha were the unknown party involved with Ouria back then, it might well be that they've been given the technological foundation for the recent wormhole technology and extensive Jovian infrastructure intelligence back then, which made this - hypothetical - incursion into Jove space possible. We cannot say if Ouria's treason might have given the Sansha additional means to battle the technologically advanced Jove, yet, looking at the facts, and assuming the presence of the Sansha in Jove Space was accomplished by military means, it looks like Kuvakei is "hungry for more" of the Jovian Technology. The sudden allusive comments intended to stroke our narcissism as capsuleers could mean that his incursion of jove space isn't going as smoothly as predicted; it might well be that Sansha is seeking help against the defending Jove.

Yes the Jovians have been in decline population wise from their Jovian Disease, and their empire would have become depopulated significantly from this. This is the most logical way The Nation could have acquired a jovian station.

The WH technology could have been developed with the help of the rogue Jovians or the Jove empire itself, or vise versa. That question will answer itself when this is dealt with.

As for the Jovian battle prowess at the moment i have no doubt the only way to defeat them in a stand up fight would be to use swarm tactics, which is plausible considering their population size and that The Nation has been aggressively "recruiting" soldiers.

More thorough reconnaissance data is required of the situation.

Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.06.27 12:06:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 27/08/2010 16:57:52
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James Vayne
Posted - 2010.06.27 12:10:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Master Kuvakei and his minions are nothing but puppets in the hands of the Jovians.


Originally by: Citizen Astur
The truth is that the Jove are not as omnipotent as they want the rest of the cluster to believe.


Dear Citizen Astur, with all due respect... have you ever seen a Jove cruiser in action?
I have, and seeing is believing in the power of the Jove.

Do not get me wrong, I have no quarrel with the Nation.
But living in a dreamworld will not help your cause, citizen Astur.


Ah. Finally. A pragmatist blessed with common sense emerges. If only more capsuleers had your brains.

Ridgerunner21
Amarr
Trivial Pursuits
OUTER-HEAVEN
Posted - 2010.06.27 12:11:00 - [133]
 

Oh joy...this just makes me feel all that much better... Think i'd better get my ships prepped for trouble

DoubleD231
Minmatar
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2010.06.27 12:12:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Torquil Noble
Originally by: DoubleD231
There is so many ifs and buts regarding this information, for all we know the nation has just found an empty jove system, stored a mass of ships there and have decided to stir up some trouble. Throwing some epeen around certanly gets responses these days :P

The main questions i think are 1: are the jovians allied with the nation or in some sort of conflict of which we have no information and 2: have the nation aquired/been given jove tech to field.


3: are the Jovians merely using the Sansha's to test the water?




there is the more disturbing thought that the jove are controlling the nation and as mentioned before, are using the nation to study war and conflict.

Ridgerunner21
Amarr
Trivial Pursuits
OUTER-HEAVEN
Posted - 2010.06.27 12:18:00 - [135]
 

One way or another i think we need to keep our guards up, a fleet of this size will mean a lot of trouble for a lot of systems if they decide to move...and sitting in formation like that i think they just might

Commander Negro
Minmatar
Darkdust Industries Empire
Posted - 2010.06.27 13:04:00 - [136]
 

Please Correct me, but I think the following facts are more disturbing than the Nation has an operational fleet...

1.: They have a Jovian Station, which means they have access to thier technology as well.

I think the way "how they obtain one" is not revelant. They have one. But why I think it's a huge problem? As far as I know the Jovians designed the capsule technology. If they were able to find a weak spot in its mechanism, (like developing a jamming device which makes the capsule unable the commuincate with its own ship, or worse, emmiting such pulses/ray which is able "enslave" a capsuleer for a brief period of time)than they will have a huge advantage over any empire's technology superiority.

2.: If they manage to get jovian ships, They will be able to reproduce or assimilate its technology into theirs.

If I remember it correctly, The Amarrs suffered a great loss against the Jove fleet in the Vak’Atioth battle. The Jove Fleet was 3 times smaller than the Amarr one.

3.: Resource War...

I think the Nation currently possesing Richer mineral fields than an empire do. Just think about it... They have Strain, Wormhole space and maybe a part of the Jove occupied regions, which gives them a constant amount of advantage over a single Empire.

Plus with the possibily to strike everywhere at anytime, makes them a honorable enemy. So I would say do not underestimate them.

But by the way, a Nation in my eyes is only an another Amarr empire who wants to rule. Just the difference between them, is that the Amarr is doing it with Vitoc, and the Nation is do it with implants.

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.06.27 13:15:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 27/07/2010 04:36:30

Commander Whitford
Caldari
Infensus Consilium
Posted - 2010.06.27 13:20:00 - [138]
 

What makes you think the four nations would step in to save the capsuleers?

Chaos Farseer
Posted - 2010.06.27 13:36:00 - [139]
 

Peanut butter and jelly sandwich any one?

IzzyChan
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
Posted - 2010.06.27 13:59:00 - [140]
 

Man, Sansha has so much style™ we should bottle it and export it out to the lesser fortunate.

Scarlet Strange
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.27 14:01:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: IzzyChan
Man, Sansha has so much style™ we should bottle it and export it out to the lesser fortunate.

I thought that's what they were doing... in a roundabout fashion?

Myrkala
Minmatar
Rebel Inc
Posted - 2010.06.27 14:21:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Myrkala
Edited by: Myrkala on 27/06/2010 00:23:08
Originally by: A'dun
Has anyone yet considered the possibility of Angel Cartel involvement in these affairs? The fact that the Cartel exhibits widespread use of Jovian-based technology is well-known. I could certainly see them acting as brokers in some sort of diplomatic trade off. Who knows... Perhaps the Jovians are willing to provide a staging area in return for cybernetic technology? It's certainly possible the Nation has discovered a way to combat the Jovian Disease.


I am investigating the Angel Cartels involvement in this matter, because they do seem to be involved in almost everything Jove.


... Pilots, I'm not so very involved in these affairs just now due to some ongoing problems that the necessary people are duly informed about, but this I just have to say something about, that being, "I'msorrywhat?"

What?

WHAT??

Do the words "shooting war" mean anything to you, pilots?

How about "invasion," or perhaps, "vicious territorial dispute?"

A little remedial nullsec political geography, pilots: Sansha's Nation and the Angel Cartel are, indeed, neighbors-- profoundly unfriendly ones. The Nation is engaged in aggressive expansion and trying to take our space by force.

And if the Angel Cartel had such technology, I can assure you it would very much be keeping it to itself. If there was any such inspiration for ships like the Machariel, it is, at most, derivative.

We may be a little mercenary at times, pilots, but we're not blasted stupid.


Don't be ignorant and jump to conclusions! If you had read the related thread you would see I was investigating the possibility of the Cartel having spies within True Power.

So far, there has been no "official" response from the Cartel.

tow bogdan
Gallente
Intaki Armaments
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.06.27 15:41:00 - [143]
 

Longer I observe the situation, it's just more clear to me that Nation is a Puppet in hands of the Jove Directorate. Sansha couldn't defeat Jovians, even if there were a few of them alive. And is we all know, Jove goverment in existing and isn't as weak as these Sansha speakers would like us to believe.

The only thing we need to know, is WHY Jove would need Sansha. I think there could be only a few answers here. Most of things Jove could just force on us, they have incredible technological advantage and can oblitarate any ressistance. The only thing our goverments wouldn't give the them is living people. Living people for genetical data and as test subjects. Things they need on their fight with Jovina Desease that kills them and which is threath to their existance.

For me even more disturbing is that they want something with capsuleers too. We never knew the reason why they gave us this technology. I hope we won't find out soon in some unpleasant way...

Glonn
Amarr
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.27 15:45:00 - [144]
 

And now my friends, the Jovians shall show us why they decided to remain to themselves for so long.

Deneris Maelstrom
Posted - 2010.06.27 17:09:00 - [145]
 

I do believe with all this racket being created we are forgetting an important topic to the capsuleer way of life. ISK, and lots of it.
IF the nation does take an action or the Joves for that matter, we the undying children of the stars will reap this field of technology and equipment. And it will fund new research, technology, and building for Empire and Capsuleer alike.
I do not pretend to hind behind false or thin ideals. Politics are no concern of mine. What is a concern is the size of my wallet.
So bring your little Fleet of ill equipped ships, and see what happens when the greatest driving force of the human race among these stars is turned against you and your twisted kind.
Cheers, I look forward to the battleship I will fly, salvaged from wrecks of your folly.
Hey that sounds like a great ship name.
Kuvakei's Folly

Glonn
Amarr
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.27 17:14:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Glonn on 27/06/2010 17:14:13
Originally by: Deneris Maelstrom
I do believe with all this racket being created we are forgetting an important topic to the capsuleer way of life. ISK, and lots of it.
IF the nation does take an action or the Joves for that matter, we the undying children of the stars will reap this field of technology and equipment. And it will fund new research, technology, and building for Empire and Capsuleer alike.
I do not pretend to hind behind false or thin ideals. Politics are no concern of mine. What is a concern is the size of my wallet.
So bring your little Fleet of ill equipped ships, and see what happens when the greatest driving force of the human race among these stars is turned against you and your twisted kind.
Cheers, I look forward to the battleship I will fly, salvaged from wrecks of your folly.
Hey that sounds like a great ship name.
Kuvakei's Folly


I do believe that the Jovian Empire would not design their ships without fail safes so they will not let their technology fall into our hands.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.27 17:16:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Myrkala
Don't be ignorant and jump to conclusions! If you had read the related thread you would see I was investigating the possibility of the Cartel having spies within True Power.

So far, there has been no "official" response from the Cartel.


I did read it, thank you.

If the Cartel has spies within True Power, exactly who do you think you're helping by "investigating" them?

If you were actually able to say with certainty, "Oo! The Angels have spies in True Power!" ... who do you think would be the first to take notice?

Hint: his given name starts with an "S," his family name with a "K."

Get this straight if you can, pilot: in the improbable event that you succeed, what you will have done is give aid and comfort to the enemy.

Curse is at odds with Kuvakei. It has been actively at war with the Nation for years. If it has information to share that would be of more use in our hands than limited to those of the Cartel, it will share it.

Shik'aria Morse'ya
Gallente
Cosmology
Deadly Unknown
Posted - 2010.06.27 17:16:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Snake Doctor
It's not Jovian. I'd be more worried about the Sleepers.

Our own intel indicates some startling revelations
1. W-Space Talocan and Sleeper antimatter caches have recently gone missing, moved, or destroyed.
2. A number Talocan and Sleeper technology caches and archeological sites in unknown W-space systems have recently disappeared.
3. A number of Oruze Constructs have become at least partially active, indicating that at least one of these installations is now transmitting information to the others.
4. A number of "Mirrors" seem to be displaying some strange readings, indicating at least one "mirror" in (what seems to be) a network of them has become fully functional.
5. The Nation is most likely in possestion of at least one Oruze Construct, its facilities, and its technology and is using said technology to open wormholes in targetted systems.
6. Sansha architechture shares notable characteristics with Sleeper technology and Talocan installations. Even if only a visual similarity exists, it poses a few questions.

My channels have been a bit mixed lately, so our intel may not be the most accurate, but this is what we have.




Surely in the discussions so far Snake Doctor's points have been overlooked. Given the number of capsuleers now operating in (and in many cases inhabiting) W-space we should surely be concerned for such changes in sleeper activity. As many of these W-space areas are linked by 'natural' wormholes to some of the heartlands of every major empire and alliance so surely we should be greatly worried if the Nation (and whoever they are working with/for) has gained control of any Sleeper technology. The last thing we would need if trying to deal with a Nation incursion which could happen anywhere, any time, would be Sleeper drones emerging in any major system and causing havoc.

If the rumours of the artificial wormhole being closed using gravimetric technology is true, surely we should look into ways of closing the 'natural' wormholes too?

Brandrsun
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.27 17:45:00 - [149]
 

Can we get a recap of current events for those that slept ( timezone differences )

At this time we are aware that an Sansha / Jovian fleet is amassing in W-hole space.

Is there any speculation as to where their first attack will be?
Is there anyone working on a united effort to counter said incursion?
Has anybody setup early warning systems and universal comunications in case of attack?
Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat?

Iture
Caldari
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.27 18:24:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Brandrsun

Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat?


Unite? why would we need too?
Atlas alone could wipe them from the face of existence.


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