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Kyonoke Kuvakei
Posted - 2010.06.27 04:49:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Master Kuvakei
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It's Jovian.


No, my dear boy. It's mine.




I see you have a few new ships... nice to see that shopping trip a while back was so effective. Stupid, ISK-drunk capsuleers. They'll run any errand, buy any item, any blueprint and ship it damn well anywhere for enough ISK... I must admit, using any one of them as an errand boy to help get this ball rolling was a good idea, but then you do seem to have so many, mmm?

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
Posted - 2010.06.27 05:11:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Iture
Originally by: Citizen Astur
Be warned,



Never threaten us peon.

We capsuleer's are gods.
We are immortal and invincible.
Your great nation may have many thousands of ships, but our collective has a great many more. We use and abuse this system, do not meddle in things you do not have the power to fully control. Angering the whole will result in your destruction. Be careful in how you speak to us.


And yet this great wrath stops cold in its tracks against CONCORD. It is not us this posturing should be directed to. Your immortality would not survive very long if not for the people you so carelessly toss aside.

Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true.

Iture
Caldari
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.27 05:16:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Ghost Hunter



Greatness comes not from individuality


I would beg to differ.

A small fleet of thukker tribe vessels wiped out the heart of concord.
How easy would it be for the tens of thousands of us to scour the empires clean and supplant ourselves as rulers?
We like the way the cluster is, slave. It would be unwise to upset the balance.

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
Posted - 2010.06.27 05:22:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Iture
Originally by: Ghost Hunter



Greatness comes not from individuality


I would beg to differ.

A small fleet of thukker tribe vessels wiped out the heart of concord.
How easy would it be for the tens of thousands of us to scour the empires clean and supplant ourselves as rulers?
We like the way the cluster is, slave. It would be unwise to upset the balance.


Your path will not continue forever.

Your sickening and debased ways of mass murder and genocide will insure that mankind rejects you. Your foundation will crumble and shatter, with it all your supposed glory.

Nation is offering the truth and it is offering a road to redemption. You can overcome your own flaws with us.

If you find what I say untrue, then you are unworthy of your power. Your hubris will insure your demise for you are utterly blind from the truth.

Citizen Astur
True Power
Posted - 2010.06.27 05:29:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true.


You speak as He would, brother. These words move me to tears. Kuvakei saw something in you, and I cannot see how he did from so far away.

You should know we were there, brother. For the people of Tama, and for the rebirth.

You think you have struck the weakest link. We are Nation. We are all great, we are all small.

I am at a loss for words. In your humility is our hope. This unity still transcends my own understanding, and yet again I am humbled by the greatness of the path before us.

Iture
Caldari
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.27 05:48:00 - [96]
 



You can never hope to match the power of the capsuleer alliances.
I dare you to challenge our might. But i know you will not come, for we will grind the nation into dust.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.27 05:57:00 - [97]
 

Rallence Ameteves. Does that name mean anything to you, Ms. Astur?

Crazey Monkey
Gallente
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.06.27 06:14:00 - [98]
 

You do not understand Astur, your plans will not hurt the empires but unite them. We will set aside our differences to beat you down back into the darkest parts of space. Your threat to us, is a blessing not a curse as YOU will stop all bloodshed between the empires. For that I will thank you, as we knock you down to our feet.

RAPTOR22il
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.06.27 06:16:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: RAPTOR22il on 27/06/2010 06:16:28
Hey sansha nation,
we, the great caldari state will not stand any act of agression on our space.
Make a move, and the caldari wrath will be all over you faster then a blink of an eye.
We advice you to stay in your WH, and perepare defensive perimeter, we are coming for you.
all of the nations will call to one flag, to kill the heretic.
you cant change things you helped to create.
all the enemys of the state, republic, federation and concuil will be crushed to the ground.

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.06.27 06:24:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 27/07/2010 04:36:01

Jayrendo Karr
Posted - 2010.06.27 06:32:00 - [101]
 

Bah! If they're stupid enough to attack us CONCORD wil be on they're asses. If they attack the Jove then ell.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.06.27 06:38:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Iture
You can never hope to match the power of the capsuleer alliances. I dare you to challenge our might.


This is an intriguing dare. Nation possesses the ability to deliver its fleets anywhere. It need not concern itself with the logistical difficulties of traversing space, but can pick its battles precisely. Here you have a challenge from a representative of the formidable Atlas.

Does Nation have the will to prove itself on them?

The outcome of such a contest would be "instructive" either way, to be sure.

Serpentii Salvi
Posted - 2010.06.27 07:37:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Citizen Astur

The truth is that the Jove are not as omnipotent as they want the rest of the cluster to believe. Too few of you have questioned, over the years, just how much it serves their own interests to cultivate such a mythology.


How could we proove them wrong? We couldnt even enter their bloody EmpireLaughing

If you realy want to **** thoose Jove guys off, let some Rouge Drones in their space. I'm quiet sure that the Drones will be happy of a new Empire to claim :)

PS: Not to impressed by your fleet. Even Capsuleers get greater Numbers in Fleets...

Natelia
Minmatar
Ataraxia Pharmacies
Posted - 2010.06.27 08:01:00 - [104]
 

Ahaha, reading you old folks going around on this topic is really hilarious.

"I have the power to destroy you!"
"Nu-uh."
"Oh but I really do!"
"Nu-uh."
...hi-la-ri-ous.

Mr. Astur sir, do the Nation have an youth organization?

Torquil Noble
Caldari
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2010.06.27 08:15:00 - [105]
 

Why do they always attack the Caldari State?

Don't they realise that we are just tradesmen - ./chuckle

Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
Posted - 2010.06.27 08:27:00 - [106]
 

Interesting intelligence all around.

Perhaps the station possession is a sign that the "jovian disease" has progressed further than people realised. It's entirely possible that they had withdrawn from the system having no longer had the people to occupy it - and then (possibly assisted by a rogue jovian as per the historical link above) Sansha simply moved in to an empty and unclaimed system.

As for immortality and lack of aging. We are all immortal. It simply suggests he gained access to cloning technology earlier than the empires did. In fact it's possible that Sansha gaining access to it was a motivating factor for the Jovians to hand it out to everyone!

Wedgetail
Posted - 2010.06.27 08:35:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Citizen Astur


You lead nothing but a gang of thugs seeking violence. Maut showed this much. You saw we were not there, you realized this much, and yet you "fought" anyway. Against what? Stop kidding yourselves. Your interest is in glory, in violence, and not the welfare of baseline humanity.



You fail to realise something in all your assumed collective wisdom....

We are not one entity of many minds and bodies at its command, we are many individual minds and bodies come together as one entity to oppose you if you are as wise as you believe you are you should fear our collective individual determination.

Concord and yourselves are both trying to achieve peace, the difference is in your methods and means.

Concord will more than happily uphold a common law and wait for as long as it needs to for us to reach where we are going.

Nation attempts to force peace on us before our time, through forcibly abducting civilians.

Being what we are we engaged at Maut for many reasons, with those you have stated being among them. you must also remember nation are not our only foes and are not worth our undivided attention - you are not so much of a threat to us at this time.

Your master help you should we ever deem your destruction a worthy enough cause to warrant taking up arms solely against nation.

D'ceet
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:25:00 - [108]
 

whats going on in this channel?

looks interesting...

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:34:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07
Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it.
We are so delusional, we can only stave off death as long as we have a new shell to crawl into. Be careful with your words, as the words "God" or "Immortal" are overstatements.

We are nothing with out the people that clone us.... the one's that create us anew. All someone needs is good timing.....

As for the threat of the Nation, I don't think that they would even think of attacking and of the 4 faction's directly yet. They want to eventually lure us out into their space by becoming such a threat to the faction's that we will be forced to make a move. That is when they will strike, right when we think we have the upper hand.

We cannot assume that is the whole force yet either. There is obviously more somewhere else, and after this little slip up, I'm sure that there won't be another sighting like this again for a long time if they're smart. And to just assume that they can't control all of those ships is underestimating the Nation, and I don't think that the Jovian station was just left there unattended by Jovian's. They covet their knowledge so much that to just leave it there would be incredibly stupid of them. I think that they would have destroyed the station before abandoning it there. And judging by the lack of Jovian ship's, I would say it was gifted or at least loaned to Sansha for the time being. What ever the Jovian's got out of the deal is beyond me. But they have always been very interested in the Nation's history. The man that founded the Nation was quiet interesting to them. The State got Capsule technology for military secrets, ship schematics, maps, and a lot of other things that in the long run are really just little in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn't be surprised if Sansha got that station for less than that.


Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:37:00 - [110]
 

The danger isn't so much the size of the Nation fleet, but their artificial wormhole capabilities and isolation from other means of travel. While it remains to be seen whether there is a mass limit on their generated wormholes they could at least transport a Leviathan.
If that is near the upper limit it means that even if a counter-attack through the wormholes could be performed the defenders would have a serious guns advantage, especially as the Jovian system they're based in is well out of cynosural field jump range of 'normal' space.

It also gives them unparalleled mobility and potential for force concentration - while all empires and many capsuleer alliances can field larger fleets none can travel such long distances anywhere near as rapidly and without warning.

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:41:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Ghost Hunter


And yet this great wrath stops cold in its tracks against CONCORD. It is not us this posturing should be directed to. Your immortality would not survive very long if not for the people you so carelessly toss aside.

Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true.


I believe what I am saying is supported here as well.

Torquil Noble
Caldari
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:42:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: KoffeeKup
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07
Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it.





Yes, we might be killed as you say, however, there are hundreds if not thousands of Caldari behind me ready to defend our State...


Weynard
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:52:00 - [113]
 

The thing that makes me sad is that only a very small part of the capsuleer community has given it a thought that, like Ghost Hunter already expressed, their current way of life and also that of the planets' populace has lead to nothing but mayhem.

Sure, violence is inevitable and goes hand in hand with change but the way violence is usually applied is... deeply disgusting. A big part of the capsuleers opposing Master come only for the money or for, wait for it, the "fun".
Once they hear of an ongoing liberation, they rush to the scene without thinking about ideals or values except for that of the bounty that has been set on the heads of our brothers and sisters. And where the risk is too high for the reward for the credits' slaves, bloodthirsty pirates appear that ravage everything in sight, caring in no way for any motivation than their own... to kill.

What I truly hope for is that the capsuleers start seeing what their past ideals have done to them and what they have become, that change is critical and right within their reach.

To those whose mind is still sharp and undamaged by the far too common malicious intent to destroy without sensible purpose, who were yet to be corrupted by the words of the empires, I can only say think beyond.
Enter the realm of bliss where capsuleers already fight hand in hand to disrupt this way of life, supporting each other whereever they can.
Unite under the banner of Master Kuvakei. Follow the Nation and make New Eden a better place to live in for us all.

Commander Darren
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:58:00 - [114]
 

Interesting,

Such determination on both sides is a virtue but to what end.

Will this battle of wills not only ships every come to an end?

No Battle will have all vessels in the one place, All people in the one gathering. And although we have learned a lot from the intel thus far, i fear there is something else that is currently unknown.. its this that is concerning me most.

When the time comes and the darkness comes over us, we will bring the light together to stub it out. But the darkness will never be completly sqaushed and the Light can not reach every corner.

Thus we will keep standing together until at some time there is some form of unity or utter destruction.. before we rebuild and start over again. which will come first i wander and most of all i wander when it will come !

Also but not confirmed..
I was told this jovian station technology given by Jovian admiral Ouria is the only station that every type of ship can dock inside and that its invulnerable to all but the hits of doomsday weapons.

Can anyone confirm this ? or is it just legend propaganda ..confidential source .. i dont want kept out the loop in the future, information can be powerfull



KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:00:00 - [115]
 

What I mean is that the forces may not be as great as the four factions, the fact that there forces could be transported almost anywhere without warning and with almost no consequence would make the treat of a fleet even a fraction of even the smallest navy an extreme threat. And if they could bypass CONCORD, which is unlikely, then the 4 factions would have to make a response to the treat, or fight a defensive war with billions of lives in danger of being destroyed on a whim. The attacks would be fast swift and deadly, leaving many casualties for the 4 big ones to clean up, it would just be small things like a fleet there, a carrier here, sooner or later the defenses of the Navy would be so disorganized and in such disarray that Sansha could launch larger and larger attacks.

You can't eat a elephant whole, you just take one bite at a time. Although Sansha can do it by sneaking in from half the galaxy away and disappearing just as fast.

Emarian
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:05:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Emarian on 27/06/2010 10:05:23
Originally by: KoffeeKup
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07
Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it.
We are so delusional, we can only stave off death as long as we have a new shell to crawl into. Be careful with your words, as the words "God" or "Immortal" are overstatements.



That may be so, but we can die and rise up again to battle anew.
Also using "Immortal" isn't as accurate but is more convenient to use in conversation.

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:13:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Emarian
Edited by: Emarian on 27/06/2010 10:05:23
Originally by: KoffeeKup
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07
Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it.
We are so delusional, we can only stave off death as long as we have a new shell to crawl into. Be careful with your words, as the words "God" or "Immortal" are overstatements.



That may be so, but we can die and rise up again to battle anew.
Also using "Immortal" isn't as accurate but is more convenient to use in conversation.


Yes, but i find that some people take those words to another level and some how believe what they say is a infallible truth.

And how could you rise up again if your clone is destroyed before your consciousness can even make it back to the fresh hunk of crafted biomass in the medical bays clone vat?

qKaC3K
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:26:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Citizen Astur
Nothing passes through our portals without Master willing it. He wanted you to see the truth.


I have only one question brother. If this is the truth why are your agents starve to death and your citizens getting slaughtered in Stain?

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:26:00 - [119]
 

Sansha's Nation posts so far have been one gigantic rhetorical circle-jerk, with everyone vigorously agreeing with each other but contributing and subtantiating nothing.

Preden
Minmatar
Estigia Corp.
Posted - 2010.06.27 10:32:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Citizen Astur
Nothing passes through our portals without Master willing it. He wanted you to see the truth.

The first question you should be asking is why, all this time later, the Jove have not come to the empires seeking assistance. Let me give you the answer they will not: It is because they do not want anyone to know the truth.

And what is the truth?

The truth is that the Jove are not as omnipotent as they want the rest of the cluster to believe. Too few of you have questioned, over the years, just how much it serves their own interests to cultivate such a mythology.

You are heirs to a greater glory, capsuleers. Do you not realize this simple fact? Look at the path they are leading you down. Look at the fate that torments them. It is the same fate that awaits you if you continue to follow in their footsteps. I do not believe any of you truly want what they offer, it is just that until now, you were offered no alternative.

Master Kuvakei alone is brave enough to seek other paths. We need not march towards oblivion with the Jove blindly beating the drum. Humanity can still be saved, but only through change that will be confrontational, violent, and at times alienating. These are the costs of a true alternative. We are fighting against almost a decade of entrenched perspectives, this will be no easy task.

Just as this truth will not be easy to accept, but you capsuleers are much more powerful than you think. Master Kuvakei alone recognizes that you are worth more, so much more. Do not be paralyzed by fear and doubt. Do not become distracted by propaganda and myth.

Think rationally about what you see before you.



This may well be largely propaganda on the part the Nation, and therefore I would advise taking this with a pinch of salt, however I believe there may be some truth in the matter.

"Do not become distracted by propoganda and myth." - This much I agree with. I have long believed that the Jovian Empire is not as powerful as their reputation leads us to believe. If Capsuleers are clearing out ranks of Sleepers in Wormhole space, a theorised distant relation to the Jovians, then it stands to reasons Capsuleers may also pose a threat to the Jovian Empire. Perhaps that is one of the reasons Jovian authorities have closed their borders with us?

Regardless as to the situation I think a response from a Jovian Ambassador, if at all possible, could help to reduce a great deal of speculation. In my opinion at least, it is clear the Nation has control over some Jovian technology, given willing or not.

Beware of the words of Kuvakei's Nation, whilst the power of capsuleers is well known throughout the known reaches of space, caution should be advised. I fear the response from the Nation is partly to press Capsuleers into sudden swift reponses which may result in a loss of clones. We all know how painful that is. The loss of clones may only help further bolster the Nations numbers. Tales have been told of the Nation reanimating deceased corpses. I do not wish to see this become a reality.

Whilst the Nation have graced us with a response, we still have had nothing from the Jovians. Perhaps if no response is made, CONCORD should allow small groups of capsuleers into Jovian space to identify the threat posed by Master Kuvakei's Nation.

There are many interesting theories being aired here, and I don't think we can rule out many of them for sure at this point. The more contact we have with the Nation, or hopefully with the Jovian Empire, the more we will learn about this recent, unexpected turn of events.

For now, I will await further contact with either Master Kuvakei himself, the Nation's apparent chosen spokesperson Citizen Astur or with the Jovian Empire.


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