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Scorpio365
Gallente
Dark Viper Industries
Posted - 2010.08.20 06:32:00 - [271]
 

Caldari vs. Gallente
Minmatar vs. Amarr
WE HAVE ALL LOST!!!!
A great deal are these conflicts between us! But we stand to lose everything, If we do not stop fighting and work together!!!

Sgt Hallard
Posted - 2010.08.22 15:19:00 - [272]
 

Hey, more ratting!!!Very Happy

Savasaan Todaro
Caldari
Black Lotus Heavy Industries
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2010.08.23 04:52:00 - [273]
 

Edited by: Savasaan Todaro on 23/08/2010 04:56:55
Please tell it's time again to gang up on Sansha and blow them into a fine dust? Very Happyperhaps thi

On another note, perhaps this is the start of the Talocan Invasion, our overseers in deep space have vanished and their racially closest active people, in terms of technology and mindset, have assembled a great fleet to assist them.

The Sansha never runs out of people. They are indeed fighting, but not us, not the four Empires it seems. They are drafting these "kidnapees" the True Slaves are dieing out, but from what? What could make the Jove vanish, and challenge the might of the Sansha Nation!? Mad

The people of New Eden! Prepare for Invasion!!!

Amadeus Gaila
Posted - 2010.08.23 23:33:00 - [274]
 

can anyone help me understand please? ^

Crying or Very sad

Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.08.24 01:11:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Amadeus Gaila
can anyone help me understand please? ^

Crying or Very sad

((Check your in game mail.))

Dilaro thagriin
Posted - 2010.08.24 06:59:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Ghost Hunter


And yet this great wrath stops cold in its tracks against CONCORD. It is not us this posturing should be directed to.


you seem to forget here, that in the eyes of CONCORD, the sansha's nation are criminals, and have a DED bounty upon their heads.

your master, and his army of unthinking minions are fodder for our cannons, and slushfund money for all capsuleers who choose to take a pop at you.

correct, we are outmatched by CONCORD, but if you are claiming that they would protect sansha's assets, or allies, then you are hiding behind jovian tech... hiding behind the very things you claim to hate, and that you claim are the problem.

once again, hipocrisy.

the more i read, the more i am convinced of simple tyrannical dreams being the basis of sansha's doctrine.

Arvo Katsuya
Caldari
True Slave Foundations
Posted - 2010.08.24 08:02:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: Ghost Hunter


And yet this great wrath stops cold in its tracks against CONCORD. It is not us this posturing should be directed to.


you seem to forget here, that in the eyes of CONCORD, the sansha's nation are criminals, and have a DED bounty upon their heads.

your master, and his army of unthinking minions are fodder for our cannons, and slushfund money for all capsuleers who choose to take a pop at you.

correct, we are outmatched by CONCORD, but if you are claiming that they would protect sansha's assets, or allies, then you are hiding behind jovian tech... hiding behind the very things you claim to hate, and that you claim are the problem.

once again, hipocrisy.

the more i read, the more i am convinced of simple tyrannical dreams being the basis of sansha's doctrine.


Why go to the extent to quote something Ghost said two months ago, now?

Thank you for showing your true colors here. I will reply to your questions on my thread as soon as I can, but I realize after you replied here, that no matter what I say or prove otherwise, the notion of Nation being evil to you is too far heavily indoctrinated in your mind.

Unfortunately, CONCORD is as corrupt as they come, and you seem to be only in it for the ISK.

Why are you telling them what to fly? Caldari do fly Gallente, and vice versa. Same with Amarr with Minmatar. The more open-minded will utilize ship hulls to their best advantage, even it is made by who they view is an enemy. The Jove are no exception, and their ships are superior over all in technology. This is what makes them feared.

Kalashnikiov
Posted - 2010.08.26 16:54:00 - [278]
 

Edited by: Kalashnikiov on 26/08/2010 17:02:02

Karishnikov
Posted - 2010.08.26 17:03:00 - [279]
 

Personally, I think a direct attack on Jita, although it would be devastating, is not feasable, seeing that every day thousands of people go through the system for trading. The response by pilots would be quiet possibly large enough to inflict massive casualties on the Nation. Also a pilot in Amarr is less than 20 jumps from Jita so not only the people in system but those around it would help.

I would susspect that the Nation in the near future would start to hit more immortant targets farther away from Caldari space (if they havent started yet). Say an attack on the Tash system or Amarr would be a devastating blow to Amarr trading in their empire.

And maybe the Jove are wanting to study us for a war, well, we could always bring the war to them since they may have the technology but we have the numbers.

ISECHS4ISK
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.08.29 04:24:00 - [280]
 

Mmmm.

Yeahh.

Spread your asteroid for me.

You like it when I deep core mine like that.

Mmm.

Yeah.

Vivien Sureflight
Blood Money Inc.
The Blood Money Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.31 02:23:00 - [281]
 

From what's been said here, it appears that Nation wishes to, what, wipe out our free will? Control everything? And there have been innumerable calls to arms, "Capsuleers unite!", "All against one!".

So my question is, what is your free will worth to you?

If the empires want capsuleer intervention, fine. But it's going to cost them. These are the empires that vilify me and my brothers, that force us into the far corners of their space because we refuse to bend to their laws. The only thing I owe to the empires is a well-placed plasma round up their respective posteriors.

But I'm not an unreasonable woman. Hard ISK can induce amazing amounts of forgetfulness.

Clytemnestra Nor
Posted - 2010.09.12 17:48:00 - [282]
 

Ok - where do I go again to experience this horror? Stain, wormholes, 0.0? I do want to see for myself. Who has the road map?

Rabbit Blacksun
Gallente
Space Reclamation Corporation
Immortal Suns
Posted - 2010.09.14 15:44:00 - [283]
 

I would say ... Worm Hole or maybe jita since that was mentioned some where in some upcoming event. But yeah WH be your best bet xD as for me ... im taking my BS an heading for deep black :P

Eris Davion
Posted - 2010.09.14 18:42:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Fournone

So the sansha have fleet, they hacked into a CONCORD ship, are nearing the 13 million mark on thier mass kidnapping, are in Jove space, and the empires think the Nation is not a threat. That about some it up?


No more a threat than each other, at least. I think the blame for that rests as much apon the various militias as it does with the formal leaders of the empires themselves.

evildrone1
Posted - 2010.09.16 19:32:00 - [285]
 

where is this to happen ?

Caspardian
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2010.09.21 00:17:00 - [286]
 

Edited by: Caspardian on 04/10/2010 00:59:08
My thoughts on this and more at this thread.

I think it's a theory that could hold some water. I'd like to hear what others have to say.

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.26 18:45:00 - [287]
 

Removed OOC comment

Dreadius Rajal
Posted - 2010.10.01 05:02:00 - [288]
 

LOLs you wanna walk into that http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/1006/Mouse.Nell.Wormhole.Probe.Huttaken.IV.jpg good luck to you and btw when did jovians fly wyverns avatars and nightmares ?

Caspardian
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2010.10.04 01:00:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Dreadius Rajal
LOLs you wanna walk into that http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/1006/Mouse.Nell.Wormhole.Probe.Huttaken.IV.jpg good luck to you and btw when did jovians fly wyverns avatars and nightmares ?



... They never did. That's a Sansha fleet.

Caspardian
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2010.10.04 01:06:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: Eris Davion
Originally by: Fournone

So the sansha have fleet, they hacked into a CONCORD ship, are nearing the 13 million mark on thier mass kidnapping, are in Jove space, and the empires think the Nation is not a threat. That about some it up?


No more a threat than each other, at least. I think the blame for that rests as much apon the various militias as it does with the formal leaders of the empires themselves.



13 million really isn't a lot when you think about how many people live in New Eden, too.
For the most part the empires are still the greatest threats to each other.

Gustaph Brackman
Posted - 2010.11.11 08:18:00 - [291]
 

Edited by: Gustaph Brackman on 11/11/2010 08:58:03
After going through this entire discussion and consolidating what i believe to be the more... shall we say... important facts regarding the intel released by The Nation I've come up with a few thoughts, or more correctly, concerns.

1) Sansha's Nation has already demonstrated that they are in possession of a Jovian financial vault

Kuvakai made it clear that he is in possession of a Jovian station in the heartlands of Jovian territory. Now while the nature of the station, a financial vault, dismisses most concerns of it housing Jovian armaments or ships, we are left with still no way whatsoever to confirm that this is the only station of Jovian origin now controlled by The Nation. My concern is that The Nation, having made it clear that they've breached Jovian borders, has no doubt only shown us but a fraction of their progress within Jovian space and may very well control much larger areas of territory than we're lead to believe.

2) Sansha's Nation has demonstrated that they possess considerable firepower as well as Capitol class ships within Jovian space

My concern here is not that i wish to argue over the power of the fleet we've been shown (the one orbiting the previously mentioned Prosper Vault), but rather it's numbers and ship compositions.
The Nation fleet pictured has already been shown as having a rather signifigant level of Capitol ship support as well as sub-Capitol vessels numbering in the thousands... In Jovian space... I would imagine that it's safe to assume the mix of Capitol vessels were not aquired through theft within the Empires but through the same means as any of the other Alliances would apply. Construction. My question though is where was such a fleet constructed? In the Stain Region? In Nation space?... Given the level of influence the other Capsuleer Alliances have in the outer regions i find it hard to believe that such a fleet could be constructed in Stain or moved at once to Jovian space for that matter, without someone seeing it until now.

My concern here is that the facilities, resources and time required would prevent all of the above without being seen in the process and therefore, it seems the fleet may then have been constructed within Jovian space instead... the one place the Capsuleer's eyes don't often wander... If that were the case, given the reports of "conflicts" between The Nation and Jovian's only weeks before it would be impossible for that many Titan class vessels to be already constructed and operational in the aftermath while unfeasable to attempt construction while engaged in hostilities. The only way I can imagine such a feat being achieved is through Jovian assistance, but that too wouldn't fit with the recent supposed conflicts... leading me to believe them to be a ruse or simply faulty information and that perhaps the Jovians and The Nation are now allies.

3) The Nation has fleets, stations and possibly allies in the Jovians yet we expect CONCORD devices in empire space to prevent fleet operation

I read earlier that one "ace in the hole" as it were we had over any Capitol fleet incursion into Empire space from The Nation was that they'd be subject to the same jamming of Capitol class operation as any other faction would when in Empire or CONCORD controlled space. Now while this may stand true to any standard blueprint vessel, i stated earlier that we may be against ships augmented with Jovian tech and it's no secret that the Jovians have shown their superiority over the other Empires many times before (e.g. The Jovian mothership vs. The Ammatar Fleet). CONCORD however, has their tech constructed using the best parts of all non-Jovian tech... all of which has had it's inferiority proven against Jovian tech before. So we may actually end up against a fleet not only augmented to circumvent CONCORD jamming, but what happens if a Nation Titan jumps into Jita with a remake of Jovian Mothership Weaponry?

Gustaph Brackman
Posted - 2010.11.11 08:32:00 - [292]
 

Edited by: Gustaph Brackman on 11/11/2010 08:55:01
Given that we're yet to see visual confirmation of both direct conflict between Jovian and Nation vessels within Jovian borders and the combat capabilities of The Nation's fleets which we can still only assume remain within what may now be Nation space but is still for all intensive purposes Jovian space, I am skeptical now as to the true capability of both CONCORD and the four Empires to contain this threat should it present itself in full force before them... We've seen many times before that CONCORD tech can even be circumvented by the Empires themselves (e.g. The thukker fleet destroying CONCORD HQ after somehow lighting a cynosural field in 1.0 security space) suggesting that the Jovians, or anything with their tech would most likely brush CONCORD defences aside like dust. And the Amarrian Empire claimed to be able to field a single fleet out of many that could easily outnumber the confirmed Nation fleet 10:1 but the Amarrians should know better than anyone that if the Nation has actually aquired Jovian weaponry... possibly even augmented their fleets with it... that even a 100:1 advantage would mean nothing.

I do not support the Nation nor their plans for the future, but i am filled with dread to think what we may be faced with should the Nation have both allied with the Jovians and aquired some of their weaponry, which seems more and more likely now. Should the Nation attempt to declare total war against the Empires in the near future I may fight beside my brethren to begin with, but I fear that this threat may even prove beyond the capability of the Capsuleers to ward off... In which case what can we do but flee our homes, surrender to the abominations, or resist and die?

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2010.11.23 06:28:00 - [293]
 

"Master" Kuvakei seems to be a bit upity in how he speaks to us demi-god capsule pilots. He should be careful as to what he says to us so as to prevent his nation from being burned Laughing

But forget about us for just a second, just what does he plan to do if countered by a reconstruction of Jamyl's super weapon? He wants to challenge pod pilots, yet he does not have the means to counter the empire's full capabilities! He thinks he can truly challenge us, what a fool you are Kuvakei!Laughing

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.23 20:51:00 - [294]
 

Removed an additional OOC comment and reply to said comment.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.11.23 21:11:00 - [295]
 

Hes proly betting on the 4 empires to do nothing as has been the case so far.


Jaik9
Posted - 2010.11.30 15:47:00 - [296]
 

Is the Sansha's new station in Jovian space, or is it in a wormhole?

If it is in Jovian space, and if their wormholes are two way, then that would represent a critical breach in Jovian National Security, which the Jovians would not allow. Given their epic firepower, and the fact that they soundly repulsed an Amarrian fleet some years back, they would not allow any such breach to occur. Their isolationist policy is legendary, and I doubt that they would overturn it to get a "cure" from the Sanshas when their formidible spy network could probably pick up the information at no cost.

For these reasons, I'm assuming that this station is in Wormhole space.If the station is in wormhole space, and it has ben conquered, then that means that whoever can field enough guns can conquer it themselves. to have a proper station in wormole space....

I could use some extra blueprint coping lines.


Intar Medris
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.12.27 12:05:00 - [297]
 

I'm waiting Sansha....

Serra Csylleste
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.28 16:37:00 - [298]
 

So much anguish over this one threat from outside, even as we are plagued by things far worse at home. I find myself in remorse for taking arms against Sansha and his children, their desire for unity noble.

Yes, the means may not be what most consider right...but how often is it when the ends bears great fruit. I am willing to join them if it means true peace... Though I fear my past aggressions may know no forgiveness.

There is an old saying in my family: "If you mustresort to violence, then you have already lost."

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2010.12.28 22:24:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: ValentinaDLM on 28/12/2010 22:25:17
Originally by: Serra Csylleste
So much anguish over this one threat from outside, even as we are plagued by things far worse at home. I find myself in remorse for taking arms against Sansha and his children, their desire for unity noble.

Yes, the means may not be what most consider right...but how often is it when the ends bears great fruit. I am willing to join them if it means true peace... Though I fear my past aggressions may know no forgiveness.

There is an old saying in my family: "If you mustresort to violence, then you have already lost."


Indeed Serra, if you look at the upliftings that have occurred, you will see that the capsuleers fire first too. The Nation merely defends itself while trying to bring more people to a brighter future. Instead of feeling grateful as they should these bloodthirsty capsuleers try to stand in the way of the nations dream of unity, all the while causing strife and pain that is totally unnecessary.

If one really thinks on the situation, it is clear that The Nation works in the best interest of the human race, while the elements that work against the nation fight against progress and for stagnation with the current system. I for one choose unity over New Eden as it exists now.

Serra Csylleste
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.30 11:11:00 - [300]
 

Edited by: Serra Csylleste on 30/12/2010 11:19:34
Before today, I never thought that I would find myself in agreement with a Minmatar.

Thank you, Valentina.

If willing, I should like to hear from a representative of the Nation; preferrably through private channels. I seek peace -and- unity, whatever the cost.


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