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Mouse Nell
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:19:00 - [1]
 

During the incursion in Huttaken, I managed to... acquire some interesting prode data from the other side of the WH.

While the data was streaming I was so focused on trying to correlate starcharts to get a fix on the system... that i didn't register the ships... So many ships...

How Do you fight something this big? We need more guns. Big effin guns. Patching a bit of the recorded feed.
http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/1006/Mouse.Nell.Wormhole.Probe.Huttaken.IV.jpg


good luck. And may what ever god you pray to be a merciful one...

Changed feed to from IMG compression to URL compression. Zymurgist

Haeldone Dorgiers
Gallente
CONCORD
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:33:00 - [2]
 

DED SigInt confirms the authenticity of the wormhole probe relay feed.

Don't lose hope, capsuleers.

Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:37:00 - [3]
 

There has been a time for talking, squabbling, and arguing with each other.

That time has passed.

Now is the time we stand together and reduce what you have seen in the feed to dust.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:02:00 - [4]
 

Dorgiers, we need to talk.

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:23:00 - [5]
 

1+ Sansha battlestations.
3+ Titans.
43+ Carriers.
12+ Dreadnoughts.
8+ Supercarriers.
Hundreds of battleships.
Thousands of support cruisers and frigates.

What a pitiful force. I'm sure it's not all they have however. there must be more.

The Imperial Navy fielded a force 10 times this during the Empress' coronation. That was a fraction of the Empire's navy. Then there is the Loyal Khanid Navy, the Ammatar Fleet, the various house fleets.

Then there is the entire State Navy and the forces directly under each mega-corp. Noumerous Mercenary factions, the Mordu's Legion being the most well-known of all. Then there is the Federation Navy, the second-largest navy in the cluster besides the Empire's forces. And we also have the Republic's Fleet and whatever force every single Tribe has, like the Thukkers, who have proven to be well-able to produce considerable masses of warships in total secret. And any kind of private fleets or forces the Federation's member nation may or may not have.

And on top of this, should they chose to get involved, we might even have the Angel Cartel, though I find their involvement to assist the Empire a very far stretch of the imagination.

On top of all of that again, we have the near infinite array of Capsuleer-owned ships of every type and number, lining up against Nation.

Their assaults are futile and serve only to unify our anger against them. We might well see Sansha's pitiful excuse of a nation burn again sooner or later.

I have no fear of the Nation. Nor should anyone else. We should pity them, and grant them forgiveness in death as soon as we may.

Kor Shivat
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel

The Imperial Navy fielded a force 10 times this during the Empress' coronation.



Though true, the Imperial Navy has yet to put in an appearance.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:02:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 26/06/2010 01:03:22
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
1+ Sansha battlestations.
3+ Titans.
43+ Carriers.
12+ Dreadnoughts.
8+ Supercarriers.
Hundreds of battleships.
Thousands of support cruisers and frigates.

What a pitiful force. I'm sure it's not all they have however. there must be more.


That pitiful force could reduce Amarr Prime to a ball of wax and burnt parchments before your navy could stop it. You forget that it has the element of surprise, and can appear anywhere. Underestimation already cost you one lovely core world, and tactical ignorance of this sort will make damned sure you lose more.

edit: Oh, and that station isn't Sansha-built.

It's Jovian.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:14:00 - [8]
 

Beat you to it, Istvaan. *chuckles*

Master Kuvakei
Caldari
True Power
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It's Jovian.


No, my dear boy. It's mine.


Caellach Marellus
Gallente
Nephtys Ventures inc
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:29:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 26/06/2010 01:30:01
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
there must be more.


I think this is about the smartest thing you've said. Even the imagery cuts off half way through ships, who knows whatelse is there the probe lens didn't pick up.

Fact is as Istvaan rightly put, they can deploy this anywhere and at any time they like.

However there is a glimmer of hope, those Titans and Supercarriers aren't as effective as one might think they could be. Following was sent to me by Vice Admiral Siloneri Balginia of the Republic Fleet, in responce to intel I forwarded about a known Sansha Titan.

Quote:
We've been looking into this.

Intel suggests the Leviathan was present in a purely non-combat capacity. Here's what I can share, please pass it on to whoever you deem fit:

Nation titans probably can't use doomsdays in low security space.
System-wide interference beacons placed by CONCORD appear to still be effective. Nation tried many times to use carrier-class capitals in high security systems, and each time reports state that no fighters were launched. The same technology jamming fighter bay launches renders doomsdays useless in low security space. It appears that Nation hasn't figured out a way around CONCORD's technology. Let's hope things stay this way.

And while you’re at it, try to remember how important CONCORD's role in all of this is. They are deathly afraid of Nation circumventing their technology. If Kuvakei somehow does, they'll have to choose between allowing capsuleers the same, or allowing only Nation free reign. Both options are disastrous, I'm sure you agree.

Nation titans are probably not being used for bridging.
Nation has a demonstrated capability to deploy massive fleets through wormholes. This bypasses the need for cynosural fields and jump portals entirely – which in turn suggests that these titans are not being used for their bridging abilities.

I hope that’s of some help.



Just hope those beacons remain effective.


Originally by: Master Kuvakei
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It's Jovian.


No, my dear boy. It's mine.




Jovian design none the less, no need to start getting sentimental now.

Jay Marshall
Caldari
Walks Forever Trade Inc
EVE Trade Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:33:00 - [11]
 

Interesting. Most interesting.

Lillith Blackheart
NeuroGEN
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:34:00 - [12]
 

It is a magnificent sight, Master Kuvakei. Truly a beautiful fleet to behold.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:42:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 26/06/2010 01:45:50
Originally by: Master Kuvakei
No, my dear boy. It's mine.


And if I were to hazard a guess, it's also the source of your recently gained wormhole mastery. Who knows what secrets a station like that may hold...

If you'd like me to quit guessing, I'm still quite open to bribery. Inheritance doesn't equal ownership, and if they didn't want you to find it, you can bet you wouldn't have. You may see yourself the head of an empire, but you are being maneuvered on a chess board by something so far above you you can't grasp it. I can give you insight into things you might not have considered.

If you use that fleet on us, we'll take losses, but we'll eventually punch through to whereever you're hiding and it'll be another century before you scrape the bits of your empire back together. You're smart, you have to have calculated the odds, the reasons behind things happening.

Let's talk. Just you and I.

Gal Atan
True Citizen
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:45:00 - [14]
 

very impressive fleet indeed.

For Nation!

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:47:00 - [15]
 

I'd hazard a guess that this is a minor fraction of Kuvakei's fleet capability.

These vessels looks like they're more seated in storage than gearing up for combat.


Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:59:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 26/06/2010 02:32:44
Tell me Mr. Kuvakei, have your ranks been bolstered by one Admiral Ouria?

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.06.26 02:37:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Master Kuvakei
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It's Jovian.


No, my dear boy. It's mine.




What have you done to the Jove?

I would not suspect they would sell that to you, and was likely not a gift either.

Whatever the case, it can end the way it was made: with human action. Some more human than others.
And your minions will bleed.


Snake Doctor
MacroIntel
Posted - 2010.06.26 04:55:00 - [18]
 

It's not Jovian. I'd be more worried about the Sleepers.

Our own intel indicates some startling revelations
1. W-Space Talocan and Sleeper antimatter caches have recently gone missing, moved, or destroyed.
2. A number Talocan and Sleeper technology caches and archeological sites in unknown W-space systems have recently disappeared.
3. A number of Oruze Constructs have become at least partially active, indicating that at least one of these installations is now transmitting information to the others.
4. A number of "Mirrors" seem to be displaying some strange readings, indicating at least one "mirror" in (what seems to be) a network of them has become fully functional.
5. The Nation is most likely in possestion of at least one Oruze Construct, its facilities, and its technology and is using said technology to open wormholes in targetted systems.
6. Sansha architechture shares notable characteristics with Sleeper technology and Talocan installations. Even if only a visual similarity exists, it poses a few questions.

My channels have been a bit mixed lately, so our intel may not be the most accurate, but this is what we have.

* The starfield in the picture looks as if it may be Ourapheh, or a similar, non-station system with little permanent capsuleer activity.

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.26 04:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Caellach Marellus
Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 26/06/2010 01:30:01
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
there must be more.


I think this is about the smartest thing you've said. Even the imagery cuts off half way through ships, who knows whatelse is there the probe lens didn't pick up.

Fact is as Istvaan rightly put, they can deploy this anywhere and at any time they like.

However there is a glimmer of hope, those Titans and Supercarriers aren't as effective as one might think they could be.


Obviously there is more, why I said so and why I added + to every number. Fact remains however that while the Nation force could be double or even triple this amount, any navy in this cluster, even the Republic or Khanid Navy or even the Ammatar, could counter these numbers.

If Sansha deploys everything or portions in any high-sec system and start to attack, then yes, the system might well be lost. One system - the Republic alone, smallest of the four main Empires, has hundreds of systems. If Sansha divides his forces they are scattered out more and easier to deal with, though a few more systems might well be lost, his forces are then easier to deal with.

Fact remains however that no navy in this cluster is incompetent and several has proven this to be true. Especially now when we are at war with each other some elements of the regional navy forces would remain on alert at any time, how long do you think there would be before they respond to any attack? We are talking about minutes here, if that much.

No matter how one twist and turn this the Nation is horridly out-numbered and lose ships with every raid. All-out attacks would be very damaging, but in the longer run all the Nation can hope to do is maintain their hit and run raids, or commit to a major battle and risk even more assets. So my point is, to react to imagery of this force with fear is a foolish choice, when confronted with some facts. also, on top of the Navies there are still a considerable population of Capsuleers available to assist in battling the Nation. Also, your information from CONCORD is very helpful. Titans with no doomsday, Carriers with no fighters... these would be very limited in use, I'd say.

On the other hand, caution and pessimism is the foundation for survival. I just don't think we should be all gloomy and panicking when simple facts speak in our favor. After all, we don't really want to give the Nation puppets any kind of morale victory by blowing this out of proportions.

Having said that I DO wonder about that Jove-designed station. Anyone have any ideas about that?

Snake Doctor
MacroIntel
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:07:00 - [20]
 

Quote:


Having said that I DO wonder about that Jove-designed station. Anyone have any ideas about that?




While the design shares elements of Jovian architecture, it should probably be assumed, or at least inferred, that Sansha has been and is currently in possession of technology they haven't shared, but have indeed replicated to some degree.

Even the sudden reappearance of Master Kuvakei as a reletively un-aged man should raise a few eyebrows....

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:11:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel


Having said that I DO wonder about that Jove-designed station. Anyone have any ideas about that?




Ouria

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:15:00 - [22]
 

Eh. I've seen much larger capsuleer fleets. The captured battlestation is only remotely impressive.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:27:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Nikita Alterana
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel


Having said that I DO wonder about that Jove-designed station. Anyone have any ideas about that?




Ouria

This would seem accurate.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2010.06.26 06:08:00 - [24]
 

Interesting.
So, time to really paint the skies crimson Kuvakei?

Revan Neveris
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.06.26 06:51:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Snake Doctor
It's not Jovian. I'd be more worried about the Sleepers.


In the related thread "Attention Governments," the station was confirmed as Prosper Vault, 3-CE1R.

However, the developments which you mention related to Sleeper and Talocan sites are very interesting! I wonder if there might be a connection between them and research being brought to light by Brother Shasoun's remarkable expedition.

Because of the conflict Brother Shasoun describes among the ancient relics he found, I now wonder if perhaps the Talocan and Sleeper facilities might be intended as defenses to the re-emergence of a Takmahl/Talocan-B threat (which might itself by the primal source of Nation's bio-technical and cybernetic expertise).

This would make Nikita's intriguing interpretation of "the dark light" - essentially, a weapon to fight the plague - more likely. If the re-awakened Talocan and Sleeper "antibodies" determine that we are potential carriers of "the plague" (a derivative of Takmahl/Talocan-B blasphemy), it could go badly for both mankind and Nation.

I imagine Master Kuvakei has thoughts on this, and will decline to share.

Akrasjel Lanate
Gallente
Naquatech Conglomerate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.06.26 11:32:00 - [26]
 

Very interesting. I wonder what will happen.

Sylorin
Caldari
MMZ Laboratories LLC
Posted - 2010.06.26 11:44:00 - [27]
 

Noh,

Very thought provoking.

I don't know that I'd have let that idea run amok here on IGS, but it does get the brain working.

So what now?


Saxton Hale
Posted - 2010.06.26 12:27:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Caellach Marellus
Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 26/06/2010 01:30:01
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
there must be more.


I think this is about the smartest thing you've said. Even the imagery cuts off half way through ships, who knows whatelse is there the probe lens didn't pick up.

Fact is as Istvaan rightly put, they can deploy this anywhere and at any time they like.

However there is a glimmer of hope, those Titans and Supercarriers aren't as effective as one might think they could be. Following was sent to me by Vice Admiral Siloneri Balginia of the Republic Fleet, in responce to intel I forwarded about a known Sansha Titan.

Quote:
We've been looking into this.

Intel suggests the Leviathan was present in a purely non-combat capacity. Here's what I can share, please pass it on to whoever you deem fit:

Nation titans probably can't use doomsdays in low security space.
System-wide interference beacons placed by CONCORD appear to still be effective. Nation tried many times to use carrier-class capitals in high security systems, and each time reports state that no fighters were launched. The same technology jamming fighter bay launches renders doomsdays useless in low security space. It appears that Nation hasn't figured out a way around CONCORD's technology. Let's hope things stay this way.

And while you’re at it, try to remember how important CONCORD's role in all of this is. They are deathly afraid of Nation circumventing their technology. If Kuvakei somehow does, they'll have to choose between allowing capsuleers the same, or allowing only Nation free reign. Both options are disastrous, I'm sure you agree.

Nation titans are probably not being used for bridging.
Nation has a demonstrated capability to deploy massive fleets through wormholes. This bypasses the need for cynosural fields and jump portals entirely – which in turn suggests that these titans are not being used for their bridging abilities.

I hope that’s of some help.



Just hope those beacons remain effective.




Indeed, however I doubt CONCORD beacons can help in any possible counter-attack against the Nation's wormhole assets

Wedgetail
Posted - 2010.06.26 12:47:00 - [29]
 

Well Done with the recon Probe Nell.

I agree with the majority of the assesments posted here,

after the numbers nation has feilded to date and the numbers revealed to still be in what is apparantly a dry dock..that is only a fraction of the military assets available, and it's entirely possible and infact likely that Kuvakei has more ships than he does people to fly them....

I also agree that He lacks the ACTIVE military strength to effectively wage open war against any of the empire nations as he is now, which may account for his guerilla style abduction raids and apparant lack of interest (to my knowledge) in empire military assets, and the avoidance of null security systems. (again to my knowledge)

I do believe he is getting aid from one of the older races however as far as things go, with that number of vessels and "their" wormhole technology between us and those staging grounds the fact is of little consequence for the time being...pawn of a greater power or not we have to deal with the threats as they are presented to us.

Until we can gain more information on who it is potentially backing/manipulating/whatevering nation we have to assume that they are acting on their own accord.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.06.26 13:05:00 - [30]
 

The fact that they can't doomsday or launch fighters is of little comfort. If a mothership hull struck a planet, the impact would wipe out cities, provinces, change weather patterns and pollute everything... if a Titan fell on one, the planet wouldn't be much use to anyone for a while. These things are the size of a small moon, except made of high-density metal, and powered by piles of antimatter.

Considering they've been harvesting our planetbound cousins and granting them the ability to operate giant warships, this may well be a suicide fleet designed to ravage the core worlds. An attack like that could break the backs of all four nations in one go.


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