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Zero Space
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:23:00 - [181]
 

Another deletion. Thanks CCP. The truth hurts I guess.

Free? 3 Million Euros a month isn't free.

Bring us more ships CCP.

Thanks for this great model, don't let it go to waste, give us a dedicated salvager.

Verys
I Heart Chaos
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:46:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Zero Space
Another deletion. Thanks CCP. The truth hurts I guess.

Free? 3 Million Euros a month isn't free.

Bring us more ships CCP.

Thanks for this great model, don't let it go to waste, give us a dedicated salvager.



And these 3 million euro's a month are coming out of your pocket amirite?

You could have made your truth hurts post better and more constructive by not swearing like an idiot.

Now go back and tell mom and dad ccp that you will hate them forever because the ship they bought for you was not in the colour you wanted.

Elayae
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:56:00 - [183]
 

This is a great looking ship, thanks CCP. Very Happy

A pity that it is non reproducible. So it probably won't be used much, for I don't fly what I cannot afford to lose. Sad

miamol
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:00:00 - [184]
 

signed for the BPO and not for GIFT

Very HappyVery Happy

Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:05:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: SheriffFruitfly
You guys really should let us link the special ships in game so we can show info on them. This one, the AT prize ships, etc. It's a pain waiting for someone to come along with a fitting that can be looked at in game.


You can. Just type the name in any chat window/notepad/whatever.

Highlight it and then right click->autolink->item type. :)

Zahira Wrath
Amarr
Dominion Strategic
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:10:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Xindi Kraid

1. A PI ship would be nice for ferrying stuff around for it, but if this is a one-off it will be the target of rampant suicide ganks reducing the population of these ships to a point where it ends up being treated as a hangar ornament and everyone keeps using regular haulers.
2. A Salvage ship is definitely needed and has been asked for multiple times. Since the fluff for this ship says "salvage vessel" then why not release a version that holds to that ideal.
3. I (and many others for sure) wouldn't mind a multi-purpose ship for handling this kind of stuff.
4. It's an ORE ship, make it fit in a Rorqual please.


Yeah, if it is useful for PI make it manufacturable. Or heck make BPCs for it available from the ORE (and hisec related) LP stores.

Give it 8 high slots with absolutely no turrets so we can use it as a 4 tractor, 4 salvager salvage boat. I'd be even happy with 6 high slots. Give it a bonus to tractor range, and salvage tackle chance too.

But yeah, much <3 CCP for cool new ships. :)

Mr LaForge
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:11:00 - [187]
 

I'd rather have a BPO...

Jho'heinous
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:19:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: De Guantanamo
Combat Upgrade or New Game Enhancement would have been better IMO


For shame... Next you'll want a Jedi class without holocrons and the entertainer grind.


As for the ORE Ship, it looks pretty funky, LP BPC for the hull would be groovy.

Nuadi
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:20:00 - [189]
 

Thanks CCP!

I can scratch Industrials training from my alts with this ship. Very Happy

Pookie McPook
Posted - 2010.06.25 14:25:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Nuadi
I can scratch Industrials training from my alts with this ship. Very Happy



Actually I think it's one per account?

Also you probably won't have it that long if you actually try to use it regularly.

A bit to Gallente-looking for my tastes....not enough rust. Otherwise another nice collectors item worth mothballing for a few years until its value rises. Thanks CCP

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:24:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.

I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.

You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.

Sad



This really makes me mad. You can't honestly expect anyone to actually use this ship, if there isn't a way to replace it? Just make it a bit more difficult to produce a BPO. How hard is it to make these ships manufacturable? How many people use the Christmas gift you sent us? I flew it for about 5 minutes, then stored it in my hangar. This logic just baffles me.

CCP - please wake up and get a clue. I say that with all love, on one hand it's great, but on the other.... I'll have two nice ships sitting in my hangar. Do the research and see how many times these ships are actually used.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:33:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 25/06/2010 15:33:27
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.

I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.

You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.

Sad


This really makes me mad. You can't honestly expect anyone to actually use this ship, if there isn't a way to replace it? Just make it a bit more difficult to produce a BPO. How hard is it to make these ships manufacturable? How many people use the Christmas gift you sent us? I flew it for about 5 minutes, then stored it in my hangar. This logic just baffles me.

CCP - please wake up and get a clue. I say that with all love, on one hand it's great, but on the other.... I'll have two nice ships sitting in my hangar. Do the research and see how many times these ships are actually used.



I would like to echo this sentiment. These gifts are nice and all, but how about ships that people could actually use, manufacture and destroy on a regular basis. I would gladly trade all my mantleplace ships to get even one new T1 ship added to the game.

Jarek Starchaser
Minmatar
Osiris Industries
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:41:00 - [193]
 

Edited by: Jarek Starchaser on 25/06/2010 15:41:10
OREsome!
Once again CCP DelivORE!

Loving the look of the ship guys, many many thanks!Very Happy

Hamayan
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:42:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Hamayan on 25/06/2010 15:59:22
Looks OK, but yeah, I doubt I'll be flying mine but maybe once or twice in a quiet, high-sec system for the novelty of it. It'll sit in my hangar until they're rare enough on the market to fetch decent price as a toy for the rich, or as a collector's piece.

To those who are chastising other posters for greeting this gift with criticism rather than gratitude, I'd have to say that I don't regard anything CCP gives me as a "gift" if receiving the "gift" is contingent upon my having a paid subscription active. I'd call this a "perk", one that I assume was developed and implemented by CCP employees who were on the clock, and paid from money that came from subscriptions, PLEX and ETC.

Such perks can be good, fruitful use of dev resources, but perks are just a subset of game features, and all game features are, IMO, a legitimate subject of criticism, because the development of one feature almost always will come at the expense of the development of a potentially preferable feature, and because existing features can be improved upon. Civil feedback of all varieties is appropriate.

The features I tend to like best are those which add enduring depth, quality and verisimilitude to the game. This sort of one-off perk doesn't do that. It's a flash in the pan. I guess the game needs those too, but this perk still doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Speaking of sense, from an RP perspective, it seems somewhat odd that ORE would go temporarily go into "full production" mode to produce a ship, give it away and never sell so much as a single instance of said ship for profit. ORE already has enough profile among industrialists that it wouldn't benefit much from this if it's just a marketing stunt, and if the intention is to spur planetary development, they would at least produce and sell BPCs of the ship to friendly capsuleers to help sustain the growth. Maybe it is designed to generate some good PR outside the capsuleer community, but chronicles like Xenocracy seem to establish that such would be a dubious strategy.

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:42:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Jim Luc on 25/06/2010 15:44:57
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 25/06/2010 15:33:27
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.

I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.

You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.

Sad


This really makes me mad. You can't honestly expect anyone to actually use this ship, if there isn't a way to replace it? Just make it a bit more difficult to produce a BPO. How hard is it to make these ships manufacturable? How many people use the Christmas gift you sent us? I flew it for about 5 minutes, then stored it in my hangar. This logic just baffles me.

CCP - please wake up and get a clue. I say that with all love, on one hand it's great, but on the other.... I'll have two nice ships sitting in my hangar. Do the research and see how many times these ships are actually used.



I would like to echo this sentiment. These gifts are nice and all, but how about ships that people could actually use, manufacture and destroy on a regular basis. I would gladly trade all my mantelpiece ships to get even one new T1 ship added to the game.


Yeah, it's really disappointing to get a new hull that isn't able to be put into production. Perhaps nerf the stats just a bit and make a produce-able ship that shares the same hull or different colors or something. Enough of these on-offs that don't do crap.

I liked the Christmas gift, it really looks cool, but does anyone actually use it? Make it manufacturable, and people will use it. Simple economics really Wink

EDIT: I should add, that the purpose of ships in EVE are to be blown up. If ships don't get blown up, the economy fails. All ships should be expected to be lost, and I would hope CCP thinks of this the next time they introduce a paperweight one-off.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:56:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.

So if they all get blown up, they are gone. Crying or Very sad


No BPOs or BPCs? Or LP store rewards? This seems like it could be a useful ship.

Especially if it had a mid-slot.

Even more so if it had some salvager bonuses (as a carryover from the ship's previous role) and high slots to use them. This could become a well used ship.

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.

I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.

You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.

Sad


Please seed the ships, BPCs, and/or BPOs in some way, shape, or form.

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:01:00 - [197]
 

I really hope this is making it up the ladder past Eris because this is a really easy fix that CCP could do if they decided to.

You can't seriously expect the userbase to use a ship they cannot replace. Not in this game. EVE isn't wow, **** dies in this game, so if we can't build it or invent it or buy it or get free with every death then it's a wasted effort by the art department.

Dracnys
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:02:00 - [198]
 

Love the ship design, I'll enjoy visiting my planets with it. But please make a BPO as it would be a shame to be unable to fly it because one has to fear suicide ganks just for the killmail. Having another ship collecting dust (while still great in itself) is not nearly as fun as flying and using a new ship.

If it is for the new players getting a free ship to haul stuff to and from their planets, just give one to everyone but still make a blueprint, seeded in the Outer Ring.

Ishkan Ming
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:09:00 - [199]
 

Even better. Just drop the idea of giving freebies CCP. By the imput in this thread, nothing good can come of it. Unless you give them a "haulingbattleshipwithtitandoomsday". And the respective BPC.

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:25:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Ishkan Ming
Even better. Just drop the idea of giving freebies CCP. By the imput in this thread, nothing good can come of it.


The Apothesis was nice. A unique ship to celebrate a significant milestone. Worthy of a one-off ship.

The Zephyr was a little confusing but people shrugged and took the confusing little ship.

With the Primea we've reached the point where the response is pretty much...

"They're just ****ing on us without even the decency of calling it rain," to quote Avatar.

Imweasel09
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:30:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.

I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.

You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.

Sad
If it can't be replaced, it isn't leaving the hangar. The bottom line is just like the zephyr this ship won't see the light of day. That's a shame because unlike the zephyr which is easily replaced by a covert ops frigate a ship suited specifically to PI would be a nice addition.

Myyona
Minmatar
Ataraxia Pharmacies
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:58:00 - [202]
 

Yay, a ship which primary function is not to shoot others in the face. I like that. In fact, I am a great supporter for many more types of ships which are not designed for warfare.

That it cannot be build seems like a pity, but I take it as an experiment. At least, if the ship can fulfill a needed role for me, I will not be afraid to fly it where ever I go.

Callic Veratar
Posted - 2010.06.25 17:11:00 - [203]
 

Zephyr BPCs available in wspace deadspace complexes and Primae BPCs available in new deadspace complexes!

Adelina Jasna
Posted - 2010.06.25 17:13:00 - [204]
 

Great design looks like a mini Roqual.

Should be a great addition to my collection of boats that will never see the light of day :|

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.25 17:38:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Adelina Jasna
Great design looks like a mini Roqual.

Should be a great addition to my collection of boats that will never see the light of day :|


Are there more unique hulls that haven't been released as BPO's? What are you thinking CCP???

I don't care about a retextured shuttle, or a special edition "State Issue Raven", which gets beefed specs and a special paint job. This is ok for non-bpo rare ships. It's not ok to spend weeks developing new ship designs that won't get a BPO. Seems like such a waste.

Carola Kessler
Posted - 2010.06.25 17:40:00 - [206]
 

Well i for myselfs only would sit one time in it enjoying the look at it the sadly pack it back in the storage hangar and leave it there until ethernity cuz of not beeing replacable.

But anyways thanks alot for this pretty nice ship CCP i love the design and the look from it :)

Hastein
Posted - 2010.06.25 17:52:00 - [207]
 

Amazing looking design. It would be a shame if it is a one of a kind. We have enough ugly replaceable ships in EVE. Hope you guys do the right thing and get a BPO/BPC in. Thanks for the amazing ship anyway, the design reminds me of a John Berkey work :)

Rapyract
Posted - 2010.06.25 18:15:00 - [208]
 

Wow. An industrial ship intended to encourage me to take up PI. How impressive.

As for the fan-boys who think we should all be eternally grateful to CCP for them having tossed us another bone, I'm afraid I see this as no more impressive than the "free gifts" I occasinally receive from other companies that I pay to provide a service. Just as we all pay in one way or another for those "gifts", so we're all paying for this one.

CCP employees have spent time working on this ship. While people disagree on what exactly most deserves the most attention, there is definitely a general consensus that there are loads of things in the existing game that could do with further work.

Bottom line: Thanks, but I'm underwhelmed.

croxis
Gallente
The Praxis Initiative
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2010.06.25 18:20:00 - [209]
 

Looks like there might be a blueprint?

http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u232/michaelandjoleen/?action=view¤t=AnotherPieceof****.jpg

Captain Brace
Posted - 2010.06.25 18:42:00 - [210]
 

Edited by: Captain Brace on 25/06/2010 19:40:00
Edit - I had not even read all 7 pages before posting this... I was guessing it all was Thanks CCPs! and such... Guess I'm not alone on the dedicated salvage ship idea... I think that says a whole lot. I agree with almost all of the post i have gone back and read so far and that is not all that common on here for me.

Quote:
Initially devised as a deep space salvage vessel for large-scale ore retrieval from destroyed ORE fleets in pirate-occupied areas


Got my hopes up really high there... I would like to see a free ship that has an intended bonus for being the ultimate salvage ship...
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While I'm sure everyone has there own ideas for most cool things that should be...
Id like it to be (much like pods and the last gift, the wind sail scanning boat) cannot be attacked by NPCs. Give it a range and speed bonus to tractors and something to salvages would be nice... Does not need 8 high slots as the tractors are double speed. Oh, and make it fast and nimble pls : )

And remember Devs... There are no dedicated salvage boats out there... Almost on Muraders... And its not the intended use of Destroyers and BCs as they have no bonus for the job... T3 Ship with sub for tractor speed and range is close... but also comes with high(ish) skill requirement and is also not a direct intended sole use for these ships. Orca and rorq... ya well, no...

I agree there are options already available for this task... But a cheap or free specialized ships would be a sweet free bee gift imho. This could also be a good way to expand the number of Destoryers in the game, if it should be a real ship that stays around for a while, and make it worth training destroyer skills up for more folks.
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All that said... I still look forward to this free gift.. I'm not complaining about this one at all... Just have a suggestion for the next one : )

And I look forward to logging in to look this new gift and seeing what it does!


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