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Hammerswift Thunder
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:01:00 - [181]
 

WOW 1st upgraded the servers to racoons and now this a free gift of training time. im glad to see my faith in ccp was not in vain.

thx guys!!!

????? any tech info on the new servers that you could give us???

Antraman
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:21:00 - [182]
 

Don't care much for the compensation (a whole day!...wow), but I do think its pretty silly to have the forums AND Eve Gate go down at the same time as the game servers...during downtime, it would make sense that we can access the forums or Eve Gate to still do stuff while we wait,...instead we have to sit and wait for it all to come back online.

I mean, here's how stupid it is...you open the game client during DT and get a message telling you about downtime, and how updates are posted on the link provided. Click on the link and its 'offline'. You go to Facebook and the message tells you about updates posted on the forum page, so when you click on that, the page is unavailable because there server is down. And when the server is back up, you don't need to read about the updates, coz its already online...


Cassandra Invicta
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:36:00 - [183]
 

Holland won 2-1 against Kamaroon \o/ \o/ \o/ weeeeeeej

Micrihael Smith
Caldari
Eve Engineering Logistics
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:41:00 - [184]
 

Okay

So the tension around the server move erupts as the Dev team et alii realise that It Has Gone Wrong. Hell breaks loose, print-out is pored over, codes are reassembled *.....
In an attempt to give the customers some form of update, a message was put out the first place we would look - the log-in screen.
When we saw it, and the link failed, some saw this as an opportunity to follow the lousy compensation ghouls. Most thought..." Oh - that's really fouled up, then" and did something else.
60,000 customer accounts is a large number. The few whingers you see - okay..the army of nerd-ragers and pantie-waisted Mommy's Boys are no great loss if they go ( Please go). The rest of us are mighty relieved to get back to doing what we like best. The fact that in this age there is a Computer Game company that puts it's corporate hand up, and offers an olive branch to it's customers is unique, in my small experience, and is to be honoured in the same Good Faith that CCP have shown us.
Now stop snivelling, spend some learning credits wisely, and go bother an asteroid or whatever.

That's my 0.02 Isk

* You should already have identified me as Computer Illiterate.

joshua boston
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:44:00 - [185]
 

WOW (not to be comfused with the inferior MMO) CCP! I have to admit I am thoroughly impressed with the skill point compensation idea. You guys probably just got a few years of subscribing out of me just because of that. Good job guys. Keep up the good work.

Betteroff Dead
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:45:00 - [186]
 

Wow, I didn't think I would ever see the day where skill points would be handed out in EVE. I am floored.

Thank you!


Tribisha
Minmatar
United Forces Academy
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:48:00 - [187]
 

Yay! Time to get my grossly neglected Charisma skills up. :) Just in time to start my way towards getting my orca :)

FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:57:00 - [188]
 

Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.

Yuda Mann
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:00:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.

Yeah. It's awesome how a new player can spend a few months training learning skills so they can train just as fast as older players that trained learning skills a long time ago.
Huh?

FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Yuda Mann
Originally by: FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.

Yeah. It's awesome how a new player can spend a few months training learning skills so they can train just as fast as older players that trained learning skills a long time ago.
Huh?

Yes. Older is better.... huh?

Mortis Aguila
Blue Republic
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Mortis Aguila on 24/06/2010 21:04:58
Awww, only 7 pages of tears at this point? I'm disappointed.

Good job on the SP compensation, CCP. Thank you!

Razgar Patnovich
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:10:00 - [192]
 

Thanks CCP, you guys are the best!

2S1 Gvozdika
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.


Noobs are still gonna die.Very Happy

Im glad they are giving us SP. All we need now is some Jovian titans handed out Razz

Dealth Striker
Caldari
Striker Ltd
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Mortis Aguila
Edited by: Mortis Aguila on 24/06/2010 21:04:58
Awww, only 7 pages of tears at this point? I'm disappointed.

Good job on the SP compensation, CCP. Thank you!


If you actually read the posts instead of making an assumption then you would be really disappointed since it would mean less than 7 pages - Laughing

Good job CCP

Toco Toucan
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:18:00 - [195]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772

^^ it seems we'll be getting something useful. lol

Shaera Taam
Minmatar
Minmatar Death Squad
Broken Chains Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:23:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: 0xdecafbad


I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!




really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*

sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...

personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...

again, tyvm!

Solari
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:27:00 - [197]
 

What good is a free gift if we all get it? ISK or skill points is the only thing that would make sense. Not complaining...just doesn't makes sense to give us all the same tangible item.

Btw...I'm new, so if I'm wrong then please let me know.

BRITANNIAS
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:28:00 - [198]
 

As someone caught out by this "extended downtime" and not knowing an extended downtime was comeing anyway(on holiday),heres a suggestion.Why not allow us to queue skills over a 7 day period and not 24hrs.Then you wouldnt get people thrashing their laptops(ala basil fawlty)or hopeing a volcano erupts under your head office.As it was,i lost 22hrs having no skill.But at least you have acknowledged that the paying customer deserved some sort of compensation,and not the usual rubbish reply we get to petitions.

Chris IIV
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:29:00 - [199]
 

wohoo, another free ship with ... actual functionality this time! wouldnt have expected that considering previous track record Laughing

jk, good work, i just hope this will be worth something later on, as im not into PI

Lorhan Sedaris
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:31:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Lorhan Sedaris on 24/06/2010 21:36:31
Originally by: Toco Toucan
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772

^^ it seems we'll be getting something useful. lol


haha, just in time for Hulkageddon III too.

EDIT: for spelling

Aglivar
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:32:00 - [201]
 

Just a quick aside here folks,(CCP). In future you may want to be a little more liberal with information dissemination,as most of the flame were basically frustration about the lack of communication to us, your customers.Just my two cents. Thanks for the Great game you have provided thus far! =)Very Happy

RaptorXL
Caldari
Tax Evasion R US
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:45:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: 0xdecafbad


I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!




really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*

sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...

personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...

again, tyvm!


Hell I'll complain. I'm sick of you idiots quoting the EULA, have YOU actually read it? Someone posted part of it that explains the service may go down during use and they are not liable for that. And sure, I don't blame them any time the server needs a reboot. But NO WHERE in the EULA does it say to load a 23 days skill cuz they may **** up and be down for 2 days straight.

Also, who cares if a server move *should* take 5 days? Any idiot with common sense knows to keep his old computer until after he's finished building and loading the software onto his new one.
I mean, which of you are stupid enough to sell you house or car before going out to buy a new one?

And that's why CCP said originally what, 12 hours for the move? They weren't doing this on a whim, they did have a plan, and yes something went horribly wrong and YES as a business it is bad customer service to promise something and not deliver. And an equal SP bonus to everyone does not fix the ****up of no one could update thier queues.

So anyone who had a 25hour skill queue setup for a 12hr downtime and who has been Fracked over by the server being out for 31hours + whatever time it takes for the to get to log in after dealing with RL has the Fracking right to ***** to CCP.

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:53:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Mylena Gnarn
Here's a kicker regarding that skill pool that CCP is supposedly going to give us... Because of it, GM's are not willing to cover lost time due to not being able to log in to add to training queues as they have in the past. Since the pool will be "universal across all accounts" this means that if you had a skill that finished during the 24+ hrs of downtime, you will not gain as many total skill points as those characters who were unaffected by the downtime.


its more not that they are reimbursing the dumb dumbs that go "ohhh ill set a 16 hour skill to cover a 15 hour downtime knowing ccps track record with such things" getting bit in the ass as it is that usually they don't have a full day of downtime where at that point you feel monetarily screwed *though it breaks down to about 50 cents*

And guys you have to give them credit. they are a single shard server with an active player base bigger then the country they were founded in. Stuff happens when you are one of if not the first group to have to do something like this.

Phantasms Shadow
Posted - 2010.06.24 21:58:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: RaptorXL
Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: 0xdecafbad


I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!




really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*

sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...

personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...

again, tyvm!


Hell I'll complain. I'm sick of you idiots quoting the EULA, have YOU actually read it? Someone posted part of it that explains the service may go down during use and they are not liable for that. And sure, I don't blame them any time the server needs a reboot. But NO WHERE in the EULA does it say to load a 23 days skill cuz they may **** up and be down for 2 days straight.

Also, who cares if a server move *should* take 5 days? Any idiot with common sense knows to keep his old computer until after he's finished building and loading the software onto his new one.
I mean, which of you are stupid enough to sell you house or car before going out to buy a new one?

And that's why CCP said originally what, 12 hours for the move? They weren't doing this on a whim, they did have a plan, and yes something went horribly wrong and YES as a business it is bad customer service to promise something and not deliver. And an equal SP bonus to everyone does not fix the ****up of no one could update thier queues.

So anyone who had a 25hour skill queue setup for a 12hr downtime and who has been Fracked over by the server being out for 31hours + whatever time it takes for the to get to log in after dealing with RL has the Fracking right to ***** to CCP.


Chill dude. It's a game. GAME. Wow.

Ahd Dib
Posted - 2010.06.24 22:05:00 - [205]
 

YAY! I getz My INTERNET SPACESHIPS!

Kylie Minogues
ISA Istarska Svemirska agencija
Posted - 2010.06.24 22:06:00 - [206]
 

CCP, thank you kindly for your dedication to all of us, patience, being on the edge of harassment, and all of your hard work, unpolitely NOT recognized by many ignorant people.

To all of u seeking PERFECT GAME, PERFECT SERVER, PERFECT LIFE....
Would you kindly STFU.

Jaerl
Caldari
Nice Boat Owners Club
Posted - 2010.06.24 22:13:00 - [207]
 

Thanks CCP! :)
I actually did some productive things when I couldn't play EVE haha, although I felt pretty lost without it at first heh. And hoorah for free goodies! I wonder what the pressie will be...

Sour Mint
Posted - 2010.06.24 22:14:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Sour Mint on 24/06/2010 22:14:29
well the dude has a god given right to B***H when he parts with his hard earnt money for services or items. What you have never phoned the power company or phone utility and had a emo rage pffft sure you have so why don't you STFU

CCP have recognized there error and will be reimbursing there paying customers finally ccp well done (long over due too)

ps: how about back dating the older toons for all the stuff ups years gone past :)

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 22:14:00 - [209]
 

I sincerely hope that this skillpoint gift isn't a precursor to some kind of cash shop where you can buy skillpoints for $. Or even ingame isk.

Vynel Mortes
Posted - 2010.06.24 22:32:00 - [210]
 

Ok so over the last few days I have read nothing but "I am losing skill points because such and such a skill stopped working."

Now CCP steps up and says, "Hey we realize this has caused a problem, even though we're not required to we're going to give a universal skill point bump on every account to ensure that the skill points are compensated for." Now people are complaining, "well now everyone gets it but they also got the skill points during the downtime I am still out skill points that's not fair." To quote the myriad of Hulkageddon posts, Eve is not a fair place to play.

There are alot of other resources that were lost due to downtime, Planetary Interaction resources, Minerals from Mining, Isk from Ratting, positioning in PVP due to preplanned events. Every player lost some element in our fictional Pixel based world. Every player is being given something to compensate for the time lost improving their skills and standing at playing eve.

Is CCP required to do this for anyone...absolutely not. CCP has no personal responsiblity to making sure that our skill points, isk, minerals resources are replaced because they were moving to servers to try to address at least part of the problems we complain about on a regular basis. Add this to the ongoing complaints about PI and it's interface, lag in lowsec, hulkageddon reprocussions, CCP Claw blowing up a Freki, Pandemic Legion winning AT8 within the rules and other such complaints that we read on a daily basis and i am forced to ask a question, other than create one of the coolest online games to date and present us with unique opportunity to play in a completely player driven system, can CCP do anything correctly in the players eyes?

To CCP great work on fixing a potentially disasterous game issue in under 48 hours, and thanks for the gift of skill points to make up for our lost pew pew time in space while not required it is appreciated keep up the great work!



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