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ariana ailith
FreakyTech
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: YT Forever
You missed something - it says accounts that are active, not logged in - big differance there - so if you have an account you get some free skill points to use as you see fit !


I see, i misinterpreted that bit. As you guys pointed out.

Zan Bango
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 - [152]
 

Thanks for the good work and bringing it up after so many problems :)

Good sleep to all the ovetimers!

cheers
Zan

Bankotsu Li
Minmatar
Firehawks
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:17:00 - [153]
 

Seriously though... We all knew this wasn't a "normal" daily Down Time. Any day that doesn't have a normal downtime, what's the standard rule-of-thumb for your skill queue? SET A LONG SKILL. Like stupid long. I know it hasn't happened since 2003, but they tell you to do that so that if things get borked (because things hardly ever go the way we plan) and they have to finish the skill you're training, you get a nice bonus! 30+ Day skill finished in 24hrs? Awesome! I honestly think CCP is being TOO nice. Don't get me wrong - I'll love me some free SP, but I think anyone who complained about this is a bit out of sorts. They were physically moving the server for f***'s sake. Anyone who thought that something like that would go off without at least a little hitch, must have one hell of a positive outlook on life (or a lot of really good drugs!).

Liteshow
Caldari
A Lite in the Darkness
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:17:00 - [154]
 

gah, what a time for the laptop hard drive to crash! Sad
gotta get skills in the queue!

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:20:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: somerandom18
where are u people getting "withdraw learning skills for SP pool" from? ccp never said anything about withdrawing learning skills


they did a couple of years ago or something and were just waiting for someone to figure out a workabale solution so everyone doesnt train derp slow but also wouldn't get ****ed for having sp taken away.

This thread tells more

warning half of that thread is people wasting space saying dun get rid of skills as they didn't realize that wasn't a proposal to get rid of them. It is a proposal thread on how to do it and have players not mind that much. Basically what the current plan is is to have all players get the 10 points and 10 percent that having all of the 11 skills to five and to use some sort of autoskill thing to let you redistribute any and all sp in the category. So for us that read in assembly hall this reads as CCP is going to kill Learning skills finally.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:20:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 24/06/2010 18:24:34
Originally by: Spatiopathe
What does this mean ?

we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts [...]
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next Tuesday’s patching opportunity


In addition of the 2day of sp gift,
Does CCP manage to withdraw the Learning skills of the game and to deal their pool of SP in others skills ?

It do sound like a way forward to scrap the learning skills forever. About time tbh.

Originally by: Cyrus Doul
they did a couple of years ago or something and were just waiting for someone to figure out a workabale solution so everyone doesnt train derp slow but also wouldn't get ****ed for having sp taken away.

This thread tells more

The guy in that thread got it a little wrong, I hope it is a straight bump of 12 points per attribute as it will be a lot more clear for everyone instead of having 20.9 rounded down to 20 in the skill sheet and similar.

Motriek
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:21:00 - [157]
 

Play time aside, that was my most pressing concern... training! Thx for making it right ccp.

Elder Man
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:26:00 - [158]
 


Thanks to the folks at CCP. It's all good. !!!

Extra Skill POINTS for our toons....gimmy gimmy gimmy....num num num Very Happy

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:31:00 - [159]
 

Quote:
This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.

This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline...


Do I smell micro transactions and buying skillpoints for $$$? Razz


But anyway, thanks for the free SP!

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:31:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 24/06/2010 18:32:15
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 24/06/2010 18:24:34
Originally by: Spatiopathe
What does this mean ?

we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts [...]
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next Tuesday’s patching opportunity


In addition of the 2day of sp gift,
Does CCP manage to withdraw the Learning skills of the game and to deal their pool of SP in others skills ?

It do sound like a way forward to scrap the learning skills forever. About time tbh.

Originally by: Cyrus Doul
they did a couple of years ago or something and were just waiting for someone to figure out a workabale solution so everyone doesnt train derp slow but also wouldn't get ****ed for having sp taken away.

This thread tells more

The guy in that thread got it a little wrong, I hope it is a straight bump of 12 points per attribute as it will be a lot more clear for everyone instead of having 20.9 rounded down to 20 in the skill sheet and similar.


that percentage rounds down in the skill sheet in game. but if you look at it using the formulas that have been found to be right that 20.9 is 20.9, not just 20. you want to keep the 10 percent as that gives you a buff remapping.

that and straight points would be 11(=10 + [10*10%])

Nipps McChesty
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:46:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
Do I smell micro transactions and buying skillpoints for $$$? Razz


That occurred to me as well. If so, this has the potential to be both good and bad...

Nemesis PT
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:47:00 - [162]
 

Finally up again! This downtime was kinda lamme!

Swidgen
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:48:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
It do sound like a way forward to scrap the learning skills forever. About time tbh.

Nonsense. Training the Learning Skills is an investment that pays off down the road. I trained them early on (for several months on and off), knowing that I was passing up on more useful skills at the time, in order to reap the dividend of reduced training time later on. I am seeing that dividend pay off in spades now.

Some people apparently feel entitled to the same SP per hour as those with good Learning Skills, despite never having put forth the effor to earn it.

Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:50:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Cyrus Doul
that percentage rounds down in the skill sheet in game. but if you look at it using the formulas that have been found to be right that 20.9 is 20.9, not just 20. you want to keep the 10 percent as that gives you a buff remapping.

that and straight points would be 11(=10 + [10*10%])

Yes I know, but by fixing the numbers to not be percentages you for example wouldn't need to even post that explanation in the first place. Hence removing confusion.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:53:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Swidgen
Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks.

I have 10.5m SP spread across three characters in learning skills thank you very much and I do think they are the most stupid thing ever to be implemented.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:53:00 - [166]
 

So I'm not one of the crowd who thinks CCP owes us anything, uptime overall is pretty damn good, and I know the unexpected happens during big patches/changes. However, as one person over on scrapheap said,
Quote:
[...]I think it would be classy for CCP to say, "Yeah... we did it again. Have 72 hours on us just because we appreciate you, our subscribers, so much." [...]


I think the free skillpoint bonus thing is just that. Eve is one of the only MMOs (only one I know of) where skills are directly tied to time, so giving some SP for downtime is pretty much the same as giving our account a few extra hours. A little different I suppose because you can't actually be playing during that time, but you can use that SP to play with new toys instead, which I think I like even more, and I think will be better for new players.

The short of what I'm trying to say is thanks CCP. You recognized that the downtime was much longer than expected, and reimbursed the players in some minor way for keeping them out of the game for that much time. You owe us nothing but delivered a little something anyway, as the above said, classy move and way to recognize your player base.

o7

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:54:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Swidgen
Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks.


Doesn't make them good game design and they damn sure don't make the game "noob" friendly. Also, I did train them. 6 times now... I'm hardly "lazy" and I still think learning skills should go away SO THAT I CAN HAVE MORE PEOPLE TO FLY WITH AND SHOOT.

-Liang

Lottan
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:55:00 - [168]
 

You gotta be ****ting me! Redistributable skillpoints? No///it is like EVE is going to get to be as like a those stupid Korean MMOs with special events of dublicated XP or even worse...

Boogie Bobby
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:58:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Lottan
You gotta be ****ting me! Redistributable skillpoints? No///it is like EVE is going to get to be as like a those stupid Korean MMOs with special events of dublicated XP or even worse...


ITT getting mad at CCP about wild specuculation.

democrities
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:59:00 - [170]
 

Woah woah woah aent you all jumping to conclusions? Getting rid of learning skills? Redistributable skill points? I havent seen anything like this mentioned in CCP announcements, where are you getting it from?

Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:06:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Boogie Bobby
Originally by: Lottan
You gotta be ****ting me! Redistributable skillpoints? No///it is like EVE is going to get to be as like a those stupid Korean MMOs with special events of dublicated XP or even worse...


ITT getting mad at CCP about wild specuculation.


This ^^^^LaughingLaughingLaughing Take off yalls frikin Tinfoil hats shheeesh Rolling Eyes

simpletondrive
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:21:00 - [172]
 

i really don't like the idea of free to pick xp (how will you pack it up for RP?).

Besides that i know how a migration can end up so it is really a job well done to the crew!
Let see the new Tflops flow :)

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:30:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: democrities
Woah woah woah aent you all jumping to conclusions? Getting rid of learning skills? Redistributable skill points? I havent seen anything like this mentioned in CCP announcements, where are you getting it from?


the link to the thread that i had linked a bit ago talks about the getting rid of learning skills, somewhere in there it has a link to the video of CCP saying learning skills are going to die. Thats where they are prolly getting the redistributable points from. Hopefully ccp is not going to let you redistribute points trained around like you can attributes.

and as to the whole keep the 10% thing. you need that because of remaps. if you remap that much extra 11 points its not actually worth as much as a 10 percent boost on taking all your skills and throwing them into perception or something.

Mylena Gnarn
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:36:00 - [174]
 

Here's a kicker regarding that skill pool that CCP is supposedly going to give us... Because of it, GM's are not willing to cover lost time due to not being able to log in to add to training queues as they have in the past. Since the pool will be "universal across all accounts" this means that if you had a skill that finished during the 24+ hrs of downtime, you will not gain as many total skill points as those characters who were unaffected by the downtime.

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:39:00 - [175]
 

Thank you, CCP, for successfully silencing the reimbursement whining. Cool

democrities
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:44:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Originally by: democrities
Woah woah woah aent you all jumping to conclusions? Getting rid of learning skills? Redistributable skill points? I havent seen anything like this mentioned in CCP announcements, where are you getting it from?


the link to the thread that i had linked a bit ago talks about the getting rid of learning skills, somewhere in there it has a link to the video of CCP saying learning skills are going to die. Thats where they are prolly getting the redistributable points from. Hopefully ccp is not going to let you redistribute points trained around like you can attributes.

and as to the whole keep the 10% thing. you need that because of remaps. if you remap that much extra 11 points its not actually worth as much as a 10 percent boost on taking all your skills and throwing them into perception or something.



yeah but they are getting all this from that one line about something in the pipeline dropping next tuesday.....speculation.

ZeroDivide
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:47:00 - [177]
 

seems to be running faster to me! Jumping systems near Simela is loading almost instantly! Very Happy

Edmar
Ship Depot
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:51:00 - [178]
 

Congrats to CCP on the successful server move. Thanks for the extra skill points!

Dillon Arklight
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:51:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 24/06/2010 19:52:52
Thanks CCP and lets hope this IS an end to the unpopular learning skills.

XFluke
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:00:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Dillon Arklight
Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 24/06/2010 19:52:52
Thanks CCP and lets hope this IS an end to the unpopular learning skills.



Learning skills suck....


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