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Roshin Lokel
Posted - 2010.06.25 05:03:00 - [271]
 

What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand....this however gives you no reason to confront everyone who wants to whine. If they want to waste their time doing it that is their business not yours. Personally I dont give a **** what CCP did or how long it took, but during that time if I wanted to whine about it thats entirely my time to do as I please and you telling me not to isnt going to change that.

ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente
Hulkageddon Orphanage
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.06.25 05:29:00 - [272]
 

Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 05:30:22
Originally by: Roshin Lokel
What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand....this however gives you no reason to confront everyone who wants to whine. If they want to waste their time doing it that is their business not yours. Personally I dont give a **** what CCP did or how long it took, but during that time if I wanted to whine about it thats entirely my time to do as I please and you telling me not to isnt going to change that.


Of course it isn't going to change it. Your feelings are yours to express as you want, even when they are utterly futile and you have no basis or technical right to whine due to agreeing to the EULA when you clicked accept, and fired EVE up for the first time. That people still whine just shows that they have a faulty sense of entitlement and a poor understanding of the important things of life, which an online game, or how long it is up or down and unplayable, isn't.

If I consider that pathetic and sad, that is also my right to do so. The difference is, I recognize the important things in life and those whining and acting like their world came to en end when the servers didn't fire up when they wanted them to, don't seem to be doing the same.Rolling Eyes

Now then. I am going to go take a walk on the Beach with my wife, and spend a little quality time with her because that is what is important in MY life, and an online game, while enjoyable, and fun, isn't.

Sagacious Z
Minmatar
Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
Posted - 2010.06.25 05:38:00 - [273]
 

The gift is really not necessary IMO. Your team does a great job and based on my hours played, it sure looks like I appreciate and enjoy your game. Stuff happens in complex databases and code--no problem. Without problems, it would mean the game is too simple and thus I would not be an annual subscriber.

Now...... instead of the gift, how about a security status column is asset search? How about query selections in contracts by region to screen and sort by m3, number of jumps, et al? I could think of tons of requests that all center on expanded query ability and sorting ability that would really improve game play.

But hey,...that's for another thread.

Lagoz
Posted - 2010.06.25 06:07:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: Lagoz on 25/06/2010 06:07:52
Since they don't reimburse the lost days by giving free gametime I think something needs to be given to the players who took a "major" hit during the downtime. Two days downtime doesn't seem like much to veterans who need several months to empty their skill queue but it did awful things to new players whom could only max out on 24-26hours queues, not to mention a lot of the new players weren't aware of the possible upcoming downtime and didn't filled their queues before it. In aspect it's not a huge deal,but for new players it's SERIOUS BUSINESS ;)

By giving something back for the lost time, I feel very satisfied.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.06.25 06:17:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Sagacious Z
The gift is really not necessary IMO. Your team does a great job and based on my hours played, it sure looks like I appreciate and enjoy your game. Stuff happens in complex databases and code--no problem. Without problems, it would mean the game is too simple and thus I would not be an annual subscriber.

Now...... instead of the gift, how about a security status column is asset search? How about query selections in contracts by region to screen and sort by m3, number of jumps, et al? I could think of tons of requests that all center on expanded query ability and sorting ability that would really improve game play.

But hey,...that's for another thread.


The Assembly Hall is over there. Wink

Nathan Omarr
Amarr
Prototype Securities
Posted - 2010.06.25 06:31:00 - [276]
 

Edited by: Nathan Omarr on 25/06/2010 06:33:41
Originally by: Glospey
Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:45:51
Originally by: Nathan Omarr
As a trader I have to ask: Will we be able to contract these skillpoints? YARRRR!!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your post is amusing but also has scary implications. I would be VERY disappointed in CCP if they made it another game where whomever has the most cash "wins". Not so disappointed I'd stop playing though. I'm addicted :P

Originally by: Furionsavage
Thanks a lot CCP. Not many people understand the hard work you guys put in to keeping the server online. And hopefully the free gift isn't going to be some almost useless frigate with a "unique" probe launcher on it.


It looks like some sort of hauler. I'll put a link here for you ;)

Primae


I wasn't being serious about it, however, I think Eve Online already is about who got the most money, wins - apart from the the longer you've paid your subscription the more likely you'll win due to more Skillpoints. True enough, the initial speed up with new characters was a step in equalizing. However, turn it how you want it, Eve is about power and the largest source for that is, like in real life, money.

Lethal Lisel
Posted - 2010.06.25 07:40:00 - [277]
 

Too Err Is Human......To Really Foul Things Up Takes A Computer..... But To Reign Biblical Type Destruction Upon Others Requires Server's Razz

Guys, no matter what precautions one takes, Murphey is but one click, or one step away. So CCP had some problems, Neh, So some of us lost some training time (neh, out of 5 characters I lost a total of 34 training hours out of 3 of them) My Fault, should of planned better, had a brain f**t and instead of doing what I have done so in the past, this time I didn't and I get bitten on the butt for it. S**t happens. I can appreciate the difficulty of moving an expansive game such as EVE from one set of servers to another (and why were they doing it in the first place some may ask, maybe, just maybe, to improve upon the performance lag issues most complain about) So we lost a day or so from our favorite game, big deal, it will have given you time to get reaquainted with somethings in your life you may have been missing out on, like partner (I'm married?? Shocked Damn....where's she been hiding??) the dog (where's the dog??.....why is there a hole under the fence??) Kids (I don't have any, but some of you might do, and yes I know, you hate them cause they beat you at this too Very Happy) Work even ( I know I had a job somewhere, I just don't remember where exactly, some place called Jita maybe??Rolling Eyes) Anyways, the point is, don't stress, It's a game to help you relax, unwind, get away from it for a while (an in some cases you needed the downtime to have a shower, the kills you were getting were not because of leet skills, but because the stench was killing everything for 4.5 AU!!)

Anyways just chill, accept what CCP offer you in repatriation for your lost game time (knowing they didn't have too, but were kind enough to do so) and have a good bash this weekend in the safe knowledge (fingers crossed) that most of the hassles and issues were solved by the port over to new servers.


Sheikhah Rayna
Amarr
Sheikhah Rayna Corp
Posted - 2010.06.25 07:48:00 - [278]
 

I can't wait for the instructions to use the extra pool of skill points that is going to be hot dropped into my account, and I am also looking forward to this gift that is coming.

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2010.06.25 07:52:00 - [279]
 

You've never done this in the past so why do it now?
Those stupid enough not to set a skill fail.

Sounds like more softening in eve :(

Jason Rutland
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:06:00 - [280]
 

OH MY GOD

eve logged me out and I was in the middle of PI and now server is unknown

What the hell is going on thought CCP had sorted this out and if they have'nt wish they would its so annoying when you are in the middle of something and you lose connection to eve for no apparent reason.

CCP please sorted this out asap and know you have had a tough few days Embarassed

Flamehaired Death
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:06:00 - [281]
 

Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:12:17
Impressive. Once up the new setup stayed live for 16 hours before crashing 3 hours before normal downtime.

I assume they will stay down to fix whatever that was -- either early hardware burn out (since CCP doesn't seem to be the type of company that would thoroughly stress test new hardware before putting it into service) or some issue from on the previous "on the fly" configuration fix at changeover. We can only hope they didn't blow a part that needs a long ordering and shipping process nor corrupt a database that has yet to be backed up in an easily restored fashion.

CCP is unfortunately very optimistic about major system changes and correspondingly very conservative about putting resources and planning into the system prior to change to sort out issues before committing to change.

Joe Astor
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:09:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
You've never done this in the past so why do it now?
Those stupid enough not to set a skill fail.

Sounds like more softening in eve :(


Previous unexpected downtimes never lasted for up to/over a day perhaps? Read the news center post carefully...in particular paragraphs 2 and 3.

And there are always whiners, if you've been on EVE or the forums for more than a week, you'd know this.

Flamehaired Death
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:35:00 - [283]
 

Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:40:32
Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:36:17
To put things into perspective CCP is extremely good at the routine daily maintenance and the routine software patches. Software is surprisingly free of minor bugs and clumsy implementation. Probably because they do test each software patch on a test server with player support. Occasionally you will see some signs that perhaps not all patches for a major revision were tested together - but not often.

Thus the big show stopper issues at changeover are mostly probably a reflection of using a generic test server which does not closely resemble the production server. Thus CCP is unable to dry run complex configuration of hardware and major software components nor test performance issues via modeling/emulation/simulation that includes individual component performance.

This situation is usually a sign of very fiscally conservative management which prefers to substitute optimism for money in ensuring a smooth changeover. You almost always get this when there is no concrete penalty for downtime.

Using a generic server probably saves 50 cents to a dollar on monthly subscription costs. I doubt many people would spend an extra 1 dollar per month so that CCP had two complete production ready environments with one to be test server. But if CCP did -- then changeovers would mean simply loading the test server with new data and then swapping which server is production and which test server.


Booker Tiggs
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:40:00 - [284]
 

I am just glad to see it is all up again :)

Dirty Snipe
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:48:00 - [285]
 

I see they are adding extra skill points to people that were training skills..

But the problem is what about the peoples skills that had stoped due to the extended downtime??

What is happening to those people??

Killerb33
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:54:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Dirty Snipe

What is happening to those people??


They die a slow and gruesome death.

Seriously, I see a lot of ppl typing stuff as "all I read here are tears and complains" well... read again!! There are comic posts between them aswell! Keep moral up ***gots!

Guy Delbane
Caldari
House of El
Knights of Tomorrow
Posted - 2010.06.25 09:32:00 - [287]
 

OK! Here we go again, green eyed monsters and all........

rather than complain about those who had skills training getting something, try to focus on the fact that you who didn't are getting something you other wise would not.

There is no need to go all... but but but they had skills in their que..... they shouldn't get what I am getting.

Now excuse me, the alternative is that you would have gotten nothing and those with skills in their ques would have gotten the same amount of more than you at any rate, so suck it up and be glad that you are receiving some compensation for the added downtime.

IMO CCP Is handling this in the correct way, by giving the same to all, regardless of it being a trial or a full account, regardless of whether or not you were training all the way through the down time.


Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
Posted - 2010.06.25 09:57:00 - [288]
 

Guys (and girls) get a life xD
CCP has done a great job with the completely UNFORESEEN problems that have arisen. My thanks to the team that worked on the issues to get everything up and running so soon.
Perhaps the CCP team could go teach SOE how to do things?

Thanks for the added present, but since it was a pure accident, i don't see why you would need to offer us something...i mean, besides the trolls that complain.

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.25 10:50:00 - [289]
 

"we will give an extra pool of skillpoints ... This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, ... regardless of character attributes/implants"

WTF is this sheet?!?!

With a remap and +5 implants I get more SP in one day than what CCP will give me, not to mention the PLAY TIME I could`ve used to do stuff or make isk.

CCP you`re still screwing with us!

VelvetHarlot
Star Frontiers
Ignore This.
Posted - 2010.06.25 10:54:00 - [290]
 

i loled

Inquisitor Xandros
Amarr
Drunken Raiders
Ministry of Silly Walks
Posted - 2010.06.25 11:06:00 - [291]
 

No complaints from me.

It is only a few days lost, lets face it, it's not the end of the world.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2010.06.25 11:07:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: Dirty Snipe

But the problem is what about the peoples skills that had stoped due to the extended downtime??

What is happening to those people??


Hopefully those people learned a lesson to read the messages from ccp asking to set a long skilltraining.

EnForceR Zealot
Posted - 2010.06.25 11:12:00 - [293]
 

Nice work! Respect to CCP!

Drondika
Posted - 2010.06.25 11:21:00 - [294]
 

Allright CCP so you had a total of 31 hours downtime over the past 2 days, and your making compensation which is good. But seriously is there any need for a daily downtime..... and right in the middle of the day too.
I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW

Esus Ionhar
m3 Corp
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.06.25 11:24:00 - [295]
 

To those that are moaning that players who had skills training for all the DT, think of it like this.

Are you personally any worse off as a result of the lost training time but getting the bonus?

Assuming the SP reward from CCP is reasonable, then no. You may even be better off than if the DT had gone as planned.

So those with full skill plans end up with more SP as a result compared to you. They could quite easily have done the same by always using +5s or just by starting playing a day earlier.

Who cares what happens to others. Just focus on what the effect on you is.

Atrocia
Posted - 2010.06.25 11:26:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Drondika
....
I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW

You do that.

Of course there is a need for it, otherwise they wouldn't have done this for the past 7 years!
Also you noticed that this downtime was a HARDWARE MOVE? It's not like some regular downtime went haywire.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.06.25 12:10:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Drondika
I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW


Oh no...

The Wicked1
Posted - 2010.06.25 12:39:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Drondika
I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW


Oh no...


My thoughts exactly.. one less WoW-er

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:04:00 - [299]
 

Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened QuestionWink

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:12:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS
Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened QuestionWink

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Once our database team catches some sleep, they will write a dev blog detailing the delay, our decision process for extending the downtime and the steps we took to bring back New Eden as stable as possible. That will be posted in the dev blog section on www.eveonline.com.

Posted yesterday on the news page.


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