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SammyullJackson
Posted - 2010.07.02 17:02:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: GM Grimmi

The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.



They just immediately blackscreen and can never engage jump while the cluster moves as many logs to /dev/null as possible to erase any evidence? Rolling Eyes
Your refusal to support Eve is stunning.


Could you give the Packers a hand? They're my home NFL team, and they could really use some outsider who thinks he understands exactly how the system works instead of the people who actually do it for a living.

I bet you are an IT professional and code hacking programs in your free time, eh?

cyclobs
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.02 17:57:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: GM Grimmi

The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.



They just immediately blackscreen and can never engage jump while the cluster moves as many logs to /dev/null as possible to erase any evidence? Rolling Eyes
Your refusal to support Eve is stunning.


your argument is invalid.

Windows does not have a /dev/null

Cromo Effect
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.07.02 17:59:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.

Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.

The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.

Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.



Eat it Southern Coalition, eat it!!! Laughing

Next time you come to mess with the best there is, has been and ever will be, you better rethink your strategy. :smug:

Bottom line is the right thing has been done. I am also recommending those loss mails be removed from all kill boards now that the ships are officially blessed as being legit. So basically, the loss mails SC wave around are essentially, fake and irrelevant. Any kill board that claims to be legit should remove those kill mails now.

For the rest of you empire dwellers, when your ready to be with the winners, check into the Northern Coalition. As you can see, we are invincible and destined to dominate this game now forever. Cool

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.02 18:11:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: cyclobs


Windows does not have a /dev/null


You'd be surprised.
(It does)


(If you don't believe me: cmd; nslookup eveonline.com > nul ; watch the output)

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.07.02 18:12:00 - [125]
 

First of all: Thank you very much for the update!

It is good to see that promises are kept. The nature of the incident and other server troubles in the meanwhile might have delayed the investigation. But end good, all good Very Happy

Still it seems some questions remain.

Originally by: GM Grimmi
Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.

Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed.


Looks like the sever had the ships in both states then: Destroyed AND alive? Hopefully that drastic bug is fixed now.

Originally by: GM Grimmi
Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game

Why? Why did you let them in game and not remove them. Of course you can decide for either outcome, I am curious why you choose to let them stay in game and not let them stay destroyed. Both actions would be justified by the logs.

Originally by: GM Grimmi
the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses.

That doesn't sound right. The games stay in the game and the owner STILL get insurance? Insurance for what? The ships are not destroyed. Or maybe I misunderstood it.

Originally by: GM Grimmi
No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.

That is good to know.


Again, thanks for the update!

bongono
Posted - 2010.07.02 20:34:00 - [126]
 

So correct me if iam wrong but essentially what CCP are saying here is

"We didnt reimburse/replace any ships, but we have however turned a blind eye to the server duplicating objects ingame giving one side an advantage over another."

?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.07.02 20:46:00 - [127]
 

This looks like CCP just reimbursed a bunch of supercaps to me. #fail

-Liang

nouki
Posted - 2010.07.02 23:12:00 - [128]
 

kinda remind me D2 when you had to lag out the server to dupe items :/ wonder how long till we see dupes up for sale on contract

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.07.03 01:00:00 - [129]
 

Can I haz Justice/Explanation plz?

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.07.03 02:42:00 - [130]
 

SWEET SO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF LAG....

CCP states that their logs infact showed something.Rolling Eyes

Unti
Posted - 2010.07.03 06:49:00 - [131]
 

THIS

Originally by: bongono
So correct me if iam wrong but essentially what CCP are saying here is

"We didnt reimburse/replace any ships, but we have however turned a blind eye to the server duplicating objects ingame giving one side an advantage over another."

?



CCP what color is the sky where your from, planet Htrae in the bizaro system?

If this is the kind of shenanigans you pull in this game, I'm sure as hell not buying DUST514.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.03 07:27:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Unti
THIS

Originally by: bongono
So correct me if iam wrong but essentially what CCP are saying here is

"We didnt reimburse/replace any ships, but we have however turned a blind eye to the server duplicating objects ingame giving one side an advantage over another."

?



CCP what color is the sky where your from, planet Htrae in the bizaro system?

If this is the kind of shenanigans you pull in this game, I'm sure as hell not buying DUST514.


It's probably closer to "Ships jumped out, loaded safe system, then logged out, and got magically teleported back to a hostile system. If we were going to interfere with the outcome of the battle, we'd have to interfere with two problems, the ships getting teleported back to combat, and the ships respawning.

Basicly remove them, then give them back"

We can't expect them to deal with one of the problems, and not the other now can we? Either they don't do anything, and the respawned titans are still in game, or they deal with both issues, and the titans that jumped to safety are returned.

Take your pick vOv

Ravenlokk
Posted - 2010.07.03 08:01:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Unti
THIS

Originally by: bongono
So correct me if iam wrong but essentially what CCP are saying here is

"We didnt reimburse/replace any ships, but we have however turned a blind eye to the server duplicating objects ingame giving one side an advantage over another."

?



CCP what color is the sky where your from, planet Htrae in the bizaro system?

If this is the kind of shenanigans you pull in this game, I'm sure as hell not buying DUST514.


It's probably closer to "Ships jumped out, loaded safe system, then logged out, and got magically teleported back to a hostile system. If we were going to interfere with the outcome of the battle, we'd have to interfere with two problems, the ships getting teleported back to combat, and the ships respawning.

Basicly remove them, then give them back"

We can't expect them to deal with one of the problems, and not the other now can we? Either they don't do anything, and the respawned titans are still in game, or they deal with both issues, and the titans that jumped to safety are returned.

Take your pick vOv


Its easier to justify this if its in your favor, to the average player that has nothing to do with either side however, this looks extremely shady. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'm certain you would be singing a different toon. My opinion would still remain the same.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.07.03 08:59:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Shade Millith

We can't expect them to deal with one of the problems, and not the other now can we? Either they don't do anything, and the respawned titans are still in game, or they deal with both issues, and the titans that jumped to safety are returned.

Take your pick vOv


There are killmails for the titans, and it seems pretty shady that the titans were jumped out after they were killed. IMO, this is just as bad if not worse than T20.

-Liang

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.03 09:02:00 - [135]
 

The capitals had jumped out and had long (>15m) logged off before they were killed, FYI.

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.07.03 09:23:00 - [136]
 

First I like to thank CCP for an update.

Everybody has an opinion about the matter and it will be long talked about it. But now it's clear what action CCP will take in the future.

I am sure CCP will do it's best to tackle the lagmonster. Again, thanks for the update on the matter.

Khasmina
Posted - 2010.07.03 11:36:00 - [137]
 

I assume White Noise will be getting the Titan they found back then?
If there is meant to be no GM intervention of favouritism returning that Titan to the NC can't be right, can it?

I'm sure CCP know the titans should be dead, afterall if they had jumped out they would still have all their modules and their pilots, right?

Equally, I can see that there is little alternative other to let things stand - doing the right thing would require ~effort~
Still, I'm surprised the insurance remains and a Titan was returned to NC by a GM - those things should be resolved.

Lili Lu
Posted - 2010.07.03 14:07:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Lili Lu on 03/07/2010 14:07:34
Laughing

But I suppose it's just an event decision in keeping with what's going on in game in general to favor the NC.

Change sov system to favor defenders- Instead of having to win two engagments due to a pos ri timer lets make that an i-hub with another timer so now attackers have to win 3 engagements to knock down sov.

Revamp moon min situation- Make tech moons the new passive income ****, since they occur in Caldari low and null sec, no favoritism here.Rolling Eyes Is correcting the new moon gold paradigm even on CCP's to fix (again) list?

Now we get No NC Titan Left Behind. T20 was just unsophisticated. The logs they show something

RedLion
Caldari
State Constructions
Posted - 2010.07.04 00:30:00 - [139]
 

wise ruling by ccp.

Caldrion Dosto
Excrutiating Dirge
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.07.04 15:53:00 - [140]
 

Im confused and/or my English skills is lacking my question is as follows:


Have the duplicated ships/mods been removed from the game?

Rebnok
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.04 17:57:00 - [141]
 


This whole deal is rather disgusting, NC-SC crap beside, This is a big screw up.
I feel that These SC pilots worked and farmed for years to accure these ships and to loose them threw no fault of there own is poo.

AmarrTradeAlt9876
Posted - 2010.07.06 09:51:00 - [142]
 

Thank you ccp for making the right choice. BFF.

RC1136 Darman
Posted - 2010.07.08 16:16:00 - [143]
 

Quote:
Have the duplicated ships/mods been removed from the game?

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.07.08 16:30:00 - [144]
 

I lost a ship once due to heavy missiles. Can I get reinbursed?

Xtover
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.07.08 16:56:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Rebnok

This whole deal is rather disgusting, NC-SC crap beside, This is a big screw up.
I feel that These SC pilots worked and farmed for years to accure these ships and to loose them threw no fault of there own is poo.


Maybe ask the devs in COL to give you guys ships for compensation?

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:00:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: RC1136 Darman
Quote:
Have the duplicated ships/mods been removed from the game?



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