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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.18 18:03:00 - [61]
 

NC and SC should take a field trip to the Jita and other market hubs and have a field day. Wipe out EvE's market in a single blob.

TitansRus
Posted - 2010.06.18 18:05:00 - [62]
 

Come on how many years have we heard the same ole song ?

CCP should admit there game cannot support large 0.0 fleet battles, and stop using silly PR tactics of fancy trailers and videos.

As said time and time again large 0.0 fleet battles look great on paper and watching them on video, but the fact of the matter is in real time game play they don't work and probably never will.

Not saying its 100% of the blame goes to CCP since there are a lot of other factors that they have no control over, my point is, stop will the fancy PR that gives people the impression you can have a lag free battle with hundreds of people all in the same system.

Epicbeardman
Posted - 2010.06.18 18:14:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Epicbeardman on 18/06/2010 18:14:02
CCP didn't reimburse anything, they've stated several times that doing so is not company policy. Whoever is claiming they got ships or anything at all back is lying, and there is no reason for CCP to dignify such blatant attention whoring by copy-pasting lines from several prior discussions.

Please, for the good of the forum, let this thread and every other like it die.

Edit: AWHAT

Trauli
Posted - 2010.06.18 19:01:00 - [64]
 

The simple fact is the game is so broken right now they shouldn't even be charging subscription fees until its fixed.

We have endless test server events where we try to help CCP and function as volunteer Q&A, recieve no updates on how the search is going, continue to get expansions that release more useless content that increases the stress on the servers and breaks the game and have a worthless GM reimbursement policy where the tools that they should be able to analyse DO NOT WORK.

I feel bad for anyone who pays for the game in RL money.

Midori Tsu
The Concordiat
Posted - 2010.06.18 19:14:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Trauli
The simple fact is the game is so broken right now they shouldn't even be charging subscription fees until its fixed.

We have endless test server events where we try to help CCP and function as volunteer Q&A, recieve no updates on how the search is going, continue to get expansions that release more useless content that increases the stress on the servers and breaks the game and have a worthless GM reimbursement policy where the tools that they should be able to analyse DO NOT WORK.

I feel bad for anyone who pays for the game in RL money.


HAHAHA, what? things are going completely fine for me.

Trauli
Posted - 2010.06.18 19:19:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Midori Tsu
Originally by: Trauli
The simple fact is the game is so broken right now they shouldn't even be charging subscription fees until its fixed.

We have endless test server events where we try to help CCP and function as volunteer Q&A, recieve no updates on how the search is going, continue to get expansions that release more useless content that increases the stress on the servers and breaks the game and have a worthless GM reimbursement policy where the tools that they should be able to analyse DO NOT WORK.

I feel bad for anyone who pays for the game in RL money.


HAHAHA, what? things are going completely fine for me.


Thats because you are a motsu farmer amirite?

Venditore Iraniano
Posted - 2010.06.18 20:24:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


this is ''dupehack''

nice

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.06.18 20:57:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Cheap Dude on 18/06/2010 20:57:48
Sorry for not being able to edit my post.. I had some diner with collegeas Very Happy

Thanks for the reply, I really think this problem needed a response from CCP. Alot of people think the integrity of EVE is being tested here and thus needed a public reply by EVE (I think). Thats also the reason I did not make a petition as I aint alowed to post the GM reply on this forums.

Thanks again.. I have faith CCP will do the right thing

edit: typos

Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.18 22:39:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


So we can expect a fix in 2012?

RedLion
Caldari
State Constructions
Posted - 2010.06.18 22:55:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


Actually it sounds like they were not "revived" after being killed. But that they got duplicated on jumping out.

Not taking any sides in the Northern Crusade, I would say it's ****ing sad if these ships will be removed, as there is no way one can justify the loss of titans already jumped out of system.

Too many times I have lost ships due to lag and server crashes.

It's time for CCP to accept responsibility and start reimbursing ships killed due to server crash/bugs.

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.06.18 23:40:00 - [71]
 

Don't forget the EVE mantra... Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose during a big lagfest...

arjun
Viziam
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:09:00 - [72]
 

spread the word, discourage people from joining. we dont want more of them really.

Luke S
Zeta Corp.
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:13:00 - [73]
 

This is why you create a petition before fleet fights happen. so **** like this don't happen to you.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:17:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Luke S
This is why you create a petition before fleet fights happen. so **** like this don't happen to you.


A preemptive ship reimbursement petition? Good idea actually.

Luke S
Zeta Corp.
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:25:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Luke S
This is why you create a petition before fleet fights happen. so **** like this don't happen to you.


A preemptive ship reimbursement petition? Good idea actually.


create a petition for a change in server load.... wise ass.

YarrMama
Posted - 2010.06.19 02:14:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


Nice to see some GM's have made up their minds on what occured even though they say this matter is still being investigated. Guilty until proven innocent huh CCP. How about less forum trolling and more work on your buggy game.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.06.19 03:22:00 - [77]
 

every time a few ships die in a system and the servers can detect irregularities* every ship in the system friend/foe/or neutral that got killed with in 60 minutes should get a full isk refund along valuation lines like kbs (but more accurate using ccp's better data on average sales prices).

Would this mean lots of fighting would be meaningless? when there is lag fighting is meaningless.

I'm actually more ****ed off about the stuff that went wrong for the sc in h-w than this recent one which was a gratiutus piece of crap where people knowing the sysem wasn't working and with no pressing tactical need risked their fleets to computer failure... but still only accross the board reimbursments and even better timer roll backs will make the hard decisions be made.

maybe we need to remove drones and warp jammers and bombs and damage mutiplier based on relative velocity... I hope not.. but if you can't make competiion robust.. no sense having it at all.

AND.. only this sort of drastic measure would bump the issue up to a high enough priortiy where 1/3rd of the programmers and developers would put their heads to it every day unitl it is fixed.

As it is now they shrug their shoulders and think there are winners and losers sometimes and it often even's out but people shoulda known better... But thats a load of crap in that, in that we're being denied epic fights with thousands of mean and women communicating online spread throughout the world wording in groups of 50's and 100's with different roles.. etc...

We're being denied struggles over soverignity that takes weeks and months that will be based upon the quality of the ships and the tactical maniupulations of flying the ships.. using their mods.. maxing relative resitss....having prepared fitttings specific safe spots.. etc... the largest strategy comes down to gaming whether or not a fleet will load...and a bit of a role of a dice on the odds that it will or won't... making all the beutuiful stuff irrelevent.

...irevelvent especially in the longer-burn mutly week struggles where almost inveitable the most pivotal battle will be the time where one sides fleet or the other couldn not respond...

(and the client should have code a feedback loop so they can tell the difference between most logoffsi's and when a client can respond in some manners (chat? market?) but not others.)

AmarrTradeAlt9876
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:14:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Luke S
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Luke S
This is why you create a petition before fleet fights happen. so **** like this don't happen to you.


A preemptive ship reimbursement petition? Good idea actually.


create a petition for a change in server load.... wise ass.


Thought i would just drop in and call this quoted guy "Luke S" a stupid ****ing idiot who knows nothing about this fight. It was a reinforced node, the directorate of several NC alliances petitioned the whole dam constellation to be reinforced.

So please get your facts straight before you come out with such a stupid ****ing remark like that. Empire pubbies worst pubbies.

Johnny Gurkha
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:28:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Trauli
I feel bad for anyone who pays for the game in RL money.


I do and I don't feel bad (apart from the exchange rate screwing me), reason is I don't join huge blobfests where I am forced to watch TV instead of shooting stuff because of the lag screensaver.... and if I was asked to I'd politely decline with an excuse that I need my wisdom teeth pulled out

You have a choice not to join huge assed fleets when you know what the outcome will more or less be... ****ing lemmings Evil or Very Mad

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.06.19 14:42:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: arjun
spread the word, discourage people from joining. we dont want more of them really.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.06.19 16:00:00 - [81]
 

Ummm fleet warefare is comletely broken and has been since Dominion(it barely worked before that).


B!tching about it is like complaining that the do it your self helicopter plans from Popular Science dont work.

You lose for trying.

Aralieus
Amarr
Shadowbane Syndicate
Posted - 2010.06.19 16:10:00 - [82]
 

/laughs at your loss

Stop blobbing fvckheads

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2010.06.19 16:46:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
So CCP do what they think is the right thing, now you want them to do the right thing?

Why don't you just say what you want them to do, then they can get right on it.

In the meantime, just sit a while and wait for 1000 idiots to think that Eve can handle their weird desires and watch with glee as they learn, again, that it can't.


I have a feeling u like taunting (adults that act like) babies with candy.



Cool


CeneUJiti
Posted - 2010.06.19 18:27:00 - [84]
 

"NC blobbed too much and deserved to lose, yadda yadda yadda." Neutral

First, they were ambushed by another supercap blob. But that's irrelevant.

Over all this time pretty much all big sov holding alliances have had fleets disappear to lagmosner, and always we have people who get to post the shiny killmails gloat and ignore that game is broken. And then x months later they lose a blackscreened fleet and everyone else just laughs.

Poor hamsters are coughing blood and seeing double, and what will happen when some other alliance gets a cap fleet that both successfully disengaged and jumped away, and remained there and died. The age of Schroedinger fleets.

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.06.20 06:00:00 - [85]
 

So, ccp gm says no ships were returned. Personally, I think ccp is lying to cover thier butts for the few ships they had to reimburse. Just so they don't have to do thier jobs and go through all the logs(that always show nothing btw) for all the battles.
Wonder if I can get my cash back for false advertising?
Gonna contact an attorney and find out if I have a case.

CCP can expect some phone calls soon.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.06.20 06:21:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Gonna contact an attorney and find out if I have a case.


Please record this conversation and share it with us. The rest of us could use a laugh.

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.06.20 07:13:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Cheap Dude on 20/06/2010 07:14:34
Everybody thinks this bug needs to be fixed before it happens again and again..

CCP needs alot of players to help with their Mass-Testing to fix these bugs. All join and help. Next one is at June 22, at 20:00 UTC.

If you want to help out, please prepare a client some days before the mass-testing is going to happen. Trying to fix a client 10 min before its gonna happen will not work ;)

It's even fun to do all stuff is 100 isk, so imagen the pew pew thats going on Cool. For the empire dwellers this gives a nice peak into 0.0 warfare without the need to join a 0.0 alliance.

Terrigal
Posted - 2010.06.20 08:19:00 - [88]
 

Hello Kitty here we come, why not have a massive truce between everyone, all players can get fat, get all noobs on the gtc wagon.

Its the only thing I personally think will make CCP get there heads out of the sand when all of the sudden there's no more money coming in.

Napro
Caldari
Simplistic Syndicate
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2010.06.20 10:05:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Terrigal
Hello Kitty here we come, why not have a massive truce between everyone, all players can get fat, get all noobs on the gtc wagon.

Its the only thing I personally think will make CCP get there heads out of the sand when all of the sudden there's no more money coming in.


lol.. you do realize people have to buy GTCs with real money?Laughing

Terrigal
Posted - 2010.06.20 11:15:00 - [90]
 

ofcourse i do. but thats my point get the noobs to but them for you in exchange for shinny new ships and a shoulder to cry on after the truce is over.


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