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Grillmeister Grim
Posted - 2010.06.18 13:54:00 - [31]
 

The GM's talk on the forums if it is important enough. I think this IS important.

People getting supercapitals back, keeping the insurance money. CSM members getting premium GM service in form of 1-2 hour fast petitions without needing to wait. At least that is what the forums say.


It would be very nice if a GM could confirm that these are wrong rumours and not true.

Write a petition to the GMs? Should the GM's be bombarded with hundreds of petitions about the same issue? It is really much easier if they could come forward and saying that such a thing didn't happen.

After all, we are talking about 500 bil isk. And if you buy GTC for that, it is a value of $25.000

I am pretty sure that this IS of general interest.

Schani Kratnorr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:04:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.

Fail response.

1. You failed to lock the thread for "discussing accusations of EULA-breach."

2. You failed to grasp the logic of this post - that GMs/devs/CSM/CCP cannot be trusted. If the OP is correct, then a petition would simply be ignored.

Your reply simply fuels speculations.

the proper response could be:

"as we have already told you on the in-game news, six titans and severeal other capitals were lost. if any of those were 're-boarded' due to a technical glitch, then the ships in question will be removed (as they are registered as gone.)"

"we would also like to remind all players that, as a general rule, we do NOT replace ships lost in 'fleet battles.' This policy serves the purpose of avoiding rampant speculations and rumours of favouritism."

... wow, ccp should hire me to sort these things out.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:13:00 - [33]
 

According to Shamis this also happened to PL, so really so far randomly after a major engagement all none SC ships tend to get reimbursed in an unusual manner.

Internal affairs must be busy today :P

Zuretul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:13:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.
So instead of CCP's official statement, CCP wants thousands of players sent petitions in already really exhausted petition system?

ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:17:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: ForceM on 18/06/2010 14:21:15
Edited by: ForceM on 18/06/2010 14:20:42
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: CCP Adida
If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.

Fail response.

1. You failed to lock the thread for "discussing accusations of EULA-breach."

2. You failed to grasp the logic of this post - that GMs/devs/CSM/CCP cannot be trusted. If the OP is correct, then a petition would simply be ignored.

Your reply simply fuels speculations.

the proper response could be:

"as we have already told you on the in-game news, six titans and severeal other capitals were lost. if any of those were 're-boarded' due to a technical glitch, then the ships in question will be removed (as they are registered as gone.)"

"we would also like to remind all players that, as a general rule, we do NOT replace ships lost in 'fleet battles.' This policy serves the purpose of avoiding rampant speculations and rumours of favouritism."

... wow, ccp should hire me to sort these things out.


Fail response tbh from you.

Hes not accusing of eula breaches but he thinks there is something not right and want someone to look into it.

And for your "propper" responses:

CCP did not tell anyone about the six titans .. but ISN did which is an independand not CCP funded news organisation.

CCP Adida's response was correct.
Devs do not enforce the ingame policies .. GM's do.
CCP Adida clearly stated the propper way to request an investigation which is what the op wanted.


Originally by: Zuretul
Originally by: CCP Adida
If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.
So instead of CCP's official statement, CCP wants thousands of players sent petitions in already really exhausted petition system?


So instead of using the propper petition queue you want the so called overworked GM's (not devs like you state) to browse throught the forum looking for problems that ppl may or may not have posted in a topic or somewhere down on page 25 of a threathnought? .. yeah that makes perfectly sense !!!!

Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:10:00 - [36]
 

CCP should clarify this. Rules must be equal for everyone.

While it's clear that lag cannot be considered a game mechanic, it does not make sense to reimburse all lag related losses.

Maybe, fixing the lag generating gameplay would help with this kind of problems.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:11:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Cheap Dude
The 'NC' jumping a large fleet into a smaller fleet.



You're wrong.

If you want to create a terrible whine, at least be consistent with facts.

What happened was, that ships that jumped out of the system in question, had fuel and cap removed and appeared in their new system, reappeared in the system they jumped out of after their pilots logged off. There they died, then respawned in the systems they jumped out to unpiloted.

The same bug has been reported several times since Dominion hit. CCP did nothing.
The only thing that was different here, was that supercaps got killed and respawned. It already happened to dreads and carriers in y-2ano, p-2ttl and possibly dg-

Geanos
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:13:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: ForceM
stuff

Btw, you have left a hair between your teeth Wink

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:17:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Cheap Dude
The 'NC' jumping a large fleet into a smaller fleet.



You're wrong.

If you want to create a terrible whine, at least be consistent with facts.

What happened was, that ships that jumped out of the system in question, had fuel and cap removed and appeared in their new system, reappeared in the system they jumped out of after their pilots logged off. There they died, then respawned in the systems they jumped out to unpiloted.

The same bug has been reported several times since Dominion hit. CCP did nothing.
The only thing that was different here, was that supercaps got killed and respawned. It already happened to dreads and carriers in y-2ano, p-2ttl and possibly dg-


Actually they never tried to jump out, not all anyway they were in that system to defend a PoS thats the reason they were there anyway knowing that it was a trap and lag worked against them THIS TIME, they tried to cyno out but failed.

See NCs strategy is to get everyone their alts and trial noob ships into a system to crash it, once the system is crashed they hope to log in FIRST and kill everything, it has been a known strategy that has been practiced by Goons and I guess PL too.

This backfired and instead of the node crashing NC lagged out and died

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:20:00 - [40]
 

Oooooh, now i get it. You're an utter moron, trying to spin this bug into something it isn't. That's why you just made up things instead of sticking to the facts.

Never mind then, moving on.

GM Grimmi

Posted - 2010.06.18 15:25:00 - [41]
 

During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.

Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:27:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


Good to know.

Go go CCP

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:31:00 - [43]
 

Lol i hope for vuk lau the others already deposited ISK with chribba, then he just made enough isk due to his bets to buy a few titans.

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:32:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
The OP should add this comment to the first post so more can see it.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:40:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


Why exactly are you doing this now, instead of straight after Dominion? The bug is over 7 months old now and has been known for that long too.

FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:49:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


Why exactly are you doing this now, instead of straight after Dominion? The bug is over 7 months old now and has been known for that long too.

Are you new to eve and haven't seen bugs go unfixed for years?

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:53:00 - [47]
 

node crashes and server lag related problems is the new top end isk sink for allinces.

two sides turn up, one leaves. whats the problem?

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:56:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: FlameGlow

Are you new to eve and haven't seen bugs go unfixed for years?


Rhetorical question.

Gordon Fell
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:01:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
node crashes and server lag related problems is the new top end isk sink for allinces.

two sides turn up, one leaves. whats the problem?


Not seeing the problem either. Please continue. Too many titans in this game anyway.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:12:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Cheap Dude
How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?


now we know where all the technomages who fled babylon 5's universe wound up Razz

SIEGE RED
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:13:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


By Internal Affairs?

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:15:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Gordon Fell
Originally by: Dr Fighter
node crashes and server lag related problems is the new top end isk sink for allinces.

two sides turn up, one leaves. whats the problem?


Not seeing the problem either. Please continue. Too many titans in this game anyway.
Maybe that some of the destroyed ships (titans) showed up in space and the pilots that lost them gained the insurance isk. This obviously isn't unique to the NC, but should still be zapped.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:20:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Cheap Dude
How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?


now we know where all the technomages who fled babylon 5's universe wound up Razz


No, the titans are literarily Jesus.

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:21:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:50
Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:41
I bet that as the ships jumped in, that a wormhole opened up right on the jumpgate, due to the collision of two such powerful entities, the wormhole ended up copying a portion of the reality into a parallel dimension, which when the wormhole later collasped, merged with the current dimension as it was no longer being kept in its placed by the wormhole.

Quote:
Maybe that some of the destroyed ships (titans) showed up in space and the pilots that lost them gained the insurance isk. This obviously isn't unique to the NC, but should still be zapped.

You sure it even matters since the insurance changes? They probably got like 1 isk back.

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:31:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Messoroz
Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:50
Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:41

You sure it even matters since the insurance changes? They probably got like 1 isk back.

In the greater scheme of Eve's economy no, but for principle yes. If you don't lose the ship you shouldn't get the insurance payout.

Vhaine Vhindiscar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:37:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Vhaine Vhindiscar on 18/06/2010 16:39:08
Dead ships respawns, some find their way home, some don't. Free ships ftw.

Dead ships drop high value mods...which turn into isk for the looters.

Dead ships generate insurance payments.

Can you salvage a titan wreck? What's that like...

The whole thing reminds me of any electronics store 30 seconds after a riot breaks out. The issue needs to be top priority for ccp. It undermines the entire game. The fact that it was high profile THIS time is pointless. That it's been going on before and nobody noticed or failed to act...most unfortunate.

HOW long until someone figures out a way to turn this into a dup exploit? Has it happened already? Will it be happening by this weekend. You tell me...a chance to dup titans for insurance. I bet alot of people are gonna be all over that.

Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:40:00 - [57]
 

I am currently arguing the case for having lost a single ship carrying a few billion in stuff, I lost the ship due to a black screen and am getting the 'our logs dont show' spiel, and also that unless it is 100% proven that it is ccps fault then no you cant have anything back..

Now if NC get hundreds of billions of isk back, I will not be a happy chappy... Are the guys from that fight in H-W going to get their stuff back from the lagfest that happened on that 'reinforced node system'?


Afrodite Draconis
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:07:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Thank you.

Juwairia
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:54:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: karttoon

Some people petitioned the GMs because they received insurance ISK and retained the capital after it was killed in Y-2. From what I was told, they removed the capital, and left the insurance ISK (which was significant at the time since a lot of people had plat insurance). After that everyone else pretty much kept their mouth shut, so who knows if CCP checked for free ISK or capitals after that.

The problem is most likely related to caching information causing conflicts when the TQ database is actually updated. I think they changed how they cache node actions for, or slightly prior to Dominion. If someone can figure it out you could probably dupe a ton of **** since it is evident that actions are not longer updated in the database in real-time. This is probably why a node death causes a roll-back as of Dominion, since the node database cache stored in memory is lost.



Cross-posting from another locked thread. Interesting information.

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:55:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
This should be interesting to follow.

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Lance Fighter
fun story: nobody gives a ****. Its the GD forums: discuss something that the general public gives a damn about. Take your alliance drivel out to coad, or better, private forums.

Once youve done that, remember that CCP does not make a policy of giving a damn about things posted in GD. If you want something answered, PETITION IT. If you want something answered quickly, too ****ing bad. The forums isnt the right place for this anyway.

HTFU and stop whining.

Yet Another Empire Carebear whining.

Just STFU.
Lance an empire carebear? Laughing



I was about to say the same thing Laughing


Slade


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