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Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.06.18 05:49:00 - [1]
 

A very big fleet fight happend some days ago. The 'NC' jumping a large fleet into a smaller fleet. This resulted in the NC loosing 6 titans (and a alot of caps). The destruction was possible because the NC caused too much lag for themselfs.

The next day this screenshot was posted. Large portion of their fleet was found floating in space including most of their titans. Also the 'NC' confirmed they got some ships back including a titan.

I ask for a senior GM to look into this and give a public reply on the matter. This doens't feel right. I am sure I aint the only one. I really hope CCP does the right thing and/or atleast give a reply on the matter.

Thx in advance

A reply by Lead GM Grimmi is posted here. Navigator





Reediculouhs
Posted - 2010.06.18 05:52:00 - [2]
 

Did you guys inform CCP ahead of time so they could ensure the lag was not this bad?

If not.....you ain't gonna get diddly squat!

Terrigal
Posted - 2010.06.18 05:57:00 - [3]
 

Been there done that in H-W fleet fight notification were forwarded to CCP and it didnt make a bit of difference as most of us died the lag death.

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2010.06.18 06:11:00 - [4]
 

I am only asking for a GM to look into the matter and do the right thing, whatever CCP think its the right thing. If this matter will not be investigated it will create a nasty precedent for future fleet engagements. I am sure I ain't the only one waiting for CCP to give an official reply on the matter.

Don't forget the killmails were send to the killers, I believe the losses where also posted on the EVE website by ISD. How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?

Gixxer 1000
Caldari
Ceptacemia
Posted - 2010.06.18 06:44:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cheap Dude
I am only asking for a GM to look into the matter and do the right thing, whatever CCP think its the right thing. If this matter will not be investigated it will create a nasty precedent for future fleet engagements. I am sure I ain't the only one waiting for CCP to give an official reply on the matter.

Don't forget the killmails were send to the killers, I believe the losses where also posted on the EVE website by ISD. How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?


Preferential treatment?

I've barely made it out myself on a lag fest in my capital's, made the jump, but was black-screened for hours on end. Tried to log-off and back on, nothing. Eventually, when I could log on, I was still in my capital in an emergency safe spot in the system I jumped out to.

If this is indeed true, then there is no doubt that the NC ***s got some GM/Dev loving. I'm not a fan of PL, but fair is fair, PL should get their Titans replaced as well. And, where does CCP draw the line? I've lost ships to lag, ships that blew up after I got to a safe POS, 20 minutes after the engagement, as many people have witnessed for themselves. Shouldn't I have my ships replaced then too after this "new" ruling?

Its pretty simple really. CCP knows their game is broken, they change the rules on the fly, and yet we continue to pay to play. Who are the real losers here? Yeah, step slowly back away from the mirror m8's...

Fiery Redhead
Posted - 2010.06.18 06:52:00 - [6]
 

Word on the street is in very high lag situations "ghost ships" can appear after the battle.

These ships are supposidly boardable and have negative armor.

Maybe this isn't the same thing though.


Klavis lychnuchus
Caldari
Hotel Charlie
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:17:00 - [7]
 

Yes CCP were notified in advance for node reinforcement. It's because CCP had already confirmed "Something is very wrong, we're working to fix it asap!" so the "Our logs show nothing" couldn't reasonably be applied in this instance. Thems the breaks!

Herateis
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:29:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Gixxer 1000
Originally by: Cheap Dude
I am only asking for a GM to look into the matter and do the right thing, whatever CCP think its the right thing. If this matter will not be investigated it will create a nasty precedent for future fleet engagements. I am sure I ain't the only one waiting for CCP to give an official reply on the matter.

Don't forget the killmails were send to the killers, I believe the losses where also posted on the EVE website by ISD. How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?


Preferential treatment?

I've barely made it out myself on a lag fest in my capital's, made the jump, but was black-screened for hours on end. Tried to log-off and back on, nothing. Eventually, when I could log on, I was still in my capital in an emergency safe spot in the system I jumped out to.

If this is indeed true, then there is no doubt that the NC ***s got some GM/Dev loving. I'm not a fan of PL, but fair is fair, PL should get their Titans replaced as well. And, where does CCP draw the line? I've lost ships to lag, ships that blew up after I got to a safe POS, 20 minutes after the engagement, as many people have witnessed for themselves. Shouldn't I have my ships replaced then too after this "new" ruling?

Its pretty simple really. CCP knows their game is broken, they change the rules on the fly, and yet we continue to pay to play. Who are the real losers here? Yeah, step slowly back away from the mirror m8's...




that happened to me recently. I suddenly lost my ship through all 4600 of its effective HP, when I was taking no damage at all before from a gas cloud and just running to the gate to activate it. yes all of the sudd my ship is gone, and this is just a mission where noone else eve nshot at me and it was ambient damage that did it, and I know I wasnt lagging. no damage indications came up on screeen, just put-put-put-INSTADEAD. was really bull****. yet Im not reimbursed for that.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:35:00 - [9]
 

A clarification about that would be good.


Especially since a CSM member is involved.

That CSM member said that some other people scooped several of those ghostships also but a petition made a GM giving back those ships to the 'rightful' owners, all within 1 or 2 hours.


So yes CCP, please clarify that.

Zun Da
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:45:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cheap Dude
Don't forget the killmails were send to the killers, I believe the losses where also posted on the EVE website by ISD. How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?


And what with those ships and capitals these titans did kill during the battle? And with other (super)capital kills during heavy lag and in bugged systems?

Will they get replaced too?


Afrodite Draconis
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:50:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Cheap Dude
A very big fleet fight happend some days ago. The 'NC' jumping a large fleet into a smaller fleet. This resulted in the NC loosing 6 titans (and a alot of caps). The destruction was possible because the NC caused too much lag for themselfs.

The next day this screenshot was posted. Large portion of their fleet was found floating in space including most of their titans. Also the 'NC' confirmed they got some ships back including a titan.

I ask for a senior GM to look into this and give a public reply on the matter. This doens't feel right. I am sure I aint the only one. I really hope CCP does the right thing and/or atleast give a reply on the matter.

Thx in advance

A reply by Lead GM Grimmi is posted here. Navigator





This indeed needs clarification.

If this is true, it will kill fleet fights since nobody bothers to fight when ships magically reappear after fights.


Althought I'll vote for bad troll, but it would be really nice to have response from CCP on this.

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:52:00 - [12]
 

So CCP do what they think is the right thing, now you want them to do the right thing?

Why don't you just say what you want them to do, then they can get right on it.

In the meantime, just sit a while and wait for 1000 idiots to think that Eve can handle their weird desires and watch with glee as they learn, again, that it can't.

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.18 07:54:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
So CCP do what they think is the right thing, now you want them to do the right thing?

Why don't you just say what you want them to do, then they can get right on it.

In the meantime, just sit a while and wait for 1000 idiots to think that Eve can handle their weird desires and watch with glee as they learn, again, that it can't.


I have a feeling u like taunting babies with candy.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.06.18 08:44:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 18/06/2010 08:46:42
Quote:
How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?


word on the grapevine is that it's some sort of accidental duping, which I'm inclined to believe simply because several successful fleet fight reimbursements (which afaik were to be totally denied) for supercaps in a few hours is pretty much unpossible.

according to the NC, a number of their supercaps in question had jumped out (lost fuel and cap from jumping) under fire, but never disappeared from the laggy system in question...thus resulting in them dying.

The day after, the capitals were found floating in space near their old jump-in locations and grabbed by the NC and a few others. I'd bet the jumpin/jumpout routine got stuck somehow from the lag and didn't complete until something gets cleaned out at downtime and...poof, ship reappears. Magic.

KiaTader
Posted - 2010.06.18 08:51:00 - [15]
 

Must be a dev or so in NC :D


1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.18 08:53:00 - [16]
 

lol fail =/= magic

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:19:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Reediculouhs
Did you guys inform CCP ahead of time so they could ensure the lag was not this bad?

If not.....you ain't gonna get diddly squat!
I think that's just the point the OP is trying to make: why did NC get their ships back?

serento
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:25:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: serento on 18/06/2010 09:26:11
Be cool to see what happens :)

Serento

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:29:00 - [19]
 

very common, mister edit ^^

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:30:00 - [20]
 

Interesting, hope to hear from ccp what happened here and how they will deal with it.
I'm sure it will be lots of drama whatever route they chose, but deleting the jesus titans might be the more reasonable, after all these years of denying any ship reimbursements from combat zones.

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:32:00 - [21]
 

The amount of alt posting is this thread is amazing, but I too would like to see CCP make a statement on this. I will lose much faith in the game if they decide not to. Spacial anomaly excuses only go so far.

Aylara
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:37:00 - [22]
 

Soo CCP, are you gonna reimburse PL titans too?

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:40:00 - [23]
 

fun story: nobody gives a ****. Its the GD forums: discuss something that the general public gives a damn about. Take your alliance drivel out to coad, or better, private forums.

Once youve done that, remember that CCP does not make a policy of giving a damn about things posted in GD. If you want something answered, PETITION IT. If you want something answered quickly, too ****ing bad. The forums isnt the right place for this anyway.

HTFU and stop whining.

Afrodite Draconis
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
fun story: nobody gives a ****. Its the GD forums: discuss something that the general public gives a damn about. Take your alliance drivel out to coad, or better, private forums.

Once youve done that, remember that CCP does not make a policy of giving a damn about things posted in GD. If you want something answered, PETITION IT. If you want something answered quickly, too ****ing bad. The forums isnt the right place for this anyway.

HTFU and stop whining.

Yet Another Empire Carebear whining.

Just STFU.

Jojo Redana
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:29:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Afrodite Draconis

If this is true, it will kill fleet fights since nobody bothers to fight when ships magically reappear after fights.


It's not magic dude. Make love not war!


Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:31:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Lance Fighter
fun story: nobody gives a ****. Its the GD forums: discuss something that the general public gives a damn about. Take your alliance drivel out to coad, or better, private forums.

Once youve done that, remember that CCP does not make a policy of giving a damn about things posted in GD. If you want something answered, PETITION IT. If you want something answered quickly, too ****ing bad. The forums isnt the right place for this anyway.

HTFU and stop whining.

Yet Another Empire Carebear whining.

Just STFU.
Lance an empire carebear? Laughing

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:37:00 - [27]
 

This should be interesting to follow.

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Lance Fighter
fun story: nobody gives a ****. Its the GD forums: discuss something that the general public gives a damn about. Take your alliance drivel out to coad, or better, private forums.

Once youve done that, remember that CCP does not make a policy of giving a damn about things posted in GD. If you want something answered, PETITION IT. If you want something answered quickly, too ****ing bad. The forums isnt the right place for this anyway.

HTFU and stop whining.

Yet Another Empire Carebear whining.

Just STFU.
Lance an empire carebear? Laughing



I was about to say the same thing Laughing


Slade

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:53:00 - [28]
 

give it up already...
CCP never speaks or does anything about their screw-ups.
adding stuff? yes. fixing/improving existing errors? that's like admitting failure. hell, no!

Cone Filler
Perkone
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:56:00 - [29]
 

I lost sevearal ships to lag aswell can i please have them reimbursed?

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 13:46:00 - [30]
 

If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.


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