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Edward Russ
Posted - 2010.06.17 08:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Edward Russ on 17/06/2010 08:35:51
Edited by: Edward Russ on 17/06/2010 08:14:18
...'cause it looks pretty darn cool.

Seriously. This might be the coolest looking ship in the whole game, and I'd love to find an excuse to fly one.

Does anyone use one of these? If so, what do you do with it?
Is it ever not a mistake?

Thanks in advance for your anecdotes and input.

edit
If you need more information to guide your approach to this question, I'm a brand-new Amarr pilot. I have a lousy schedule, and I'm looking at solo pvp, ratting, or mission running (though I'd prefer to avoid Empire space).

The ship I had been planning to work towards until I saw the Ashimmu was a Zealot. How do these ships stack up?


1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.17 11:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 11:06:51
its so good looking its imba in the fashion dept, too bad I dont wann xtrain minnie to get it. or maybe I should. if only that had been a sansha cruiser..


its a ship with 100% bonus to turret damage, which means more cap to play with, and its got tackling bonuses, compared to the zealot which doesn't. so its probably a pwn solo ship, and great for small gangs, but the zealot is still cheaper.. much cheaper. fly this when you can afford to buy carriers on a regular basis. you also need to fit it out to have the best chance to preserve it, and that means faction mid and low slot mods and T2 or faction guns.

Dorn Val
Posted - 2010.06.17 11:10:00 - [3]
 

I'm curious about the ship as well, and even went looking for it's kid brother the Cruor (couldn't find one for sale in an area that I'd feel comfortable flying in). I know what I'd do with the frigate -tackle. Of course I'd use the cruiser version for the same role.

Borgh Brainbasher
Saint Industrial Services
STEEL BROTHERHOOD
Posted - 2010.06.17 11:25:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Borgh Brainbasher on 17/06/2010 11:30:46
They are the ultimate support platform, holding someone down with 90% webs and bonussed neuts and then pounding them with help from the fleet.

Solo it would probably do mediocre as it is a failry heavy and slow ship with a large pricetag.
If you want a solopwnmobile the cynabaal is a better bet as it has the speed to gtfo when things go **** up, as they often do when soloing is involved.

EDIT: also, it blasts out its cap in seconds if you don't watch out.

Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.17 11:27:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 17/06/2010 11:55:32
I'd just fly one for the looks. Furthermore, a 100% bonus to lasers already makes it very nice on the DPS side and makes it a lot easier to fit and cap friendly (6 for the price of 3, you need that since you don't have the usual Amarr cap bonus) and leaves you 3 utility slots for salvage/tractor beams, neut/vamp or smartbombs.

Downside are of course the small drone bay and price. For the price you could be flying a Curse which has a far better neut bonus and setup (since it fits missiles). The web bonus is nice and great against frigs but a web range bonus would really make it even better, I imagine fast frigs outside web range are really a pain although the neut should be able to take care of that.
The Ashimmu has a very generous PG tough so fitting PG heavy weapons shouldn't be a problem.

Captain Blart
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.17 11:39:00 - [6]
 

A few years ago while i was ratting in low sec, one of the npc dropped one Ashimmu BPC. I built the boat , its pretty good looking but I would not use it in pvp, too easy to loose it. So sometimes I just jump in and fly around in empire Smile

Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Posted - 2010.06.17 12:35:00 - [7]
 

A bit before CCP nerfed Nano'phoons they nerfed the Ashimmu's mass (and possibly its agility too).
At the time a friend of mine had one specifically fit to tackle them while still maintaining enough tank to stay alive while a defence fleet shot it.
At the time it had no 100% damage bonus, so you fitted lasers and neuts and got measly damage or you flew a Pilgrim (with the advantage of a Cov Ops cloak) or Curse.
With the web changes and the faction ship revamp it is now looking like a decent prospect again but it's still sluggish, getting the speed or agility out of it to make it ideal in a heavy tackler role leaves you heavily lacking in tank...

However, it is very sexy :-)

Kane Starkiller
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.17 13:15:00 - [8]
 

[Ashimmu, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Heat Sink II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x2


Nothing really stands out about it. DPS is meh @ 346. Not too nimble. Has an okish tank, over 50k eft ehp but I wouldn't fly this thing when there are pilgrims and curses available.

If you fly solo it'll be hard to catch anything and everyone wants an expensive killmail. In a gank you will be primaried.

Tanniith
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:52:00 - [9]
 

I fly mine pretty expensively, with nearly everything faction/cheap deadspace. To really make this cruiser shine as a solo it takes faction/deadspace mods. Although in doing this I get nearly an 80k armor buffer, with almost 20k armor. I've found its a pretty perfect counter for a vagabond. If it gets in range of your neuts it's dead in the water if you use 3 dark blood medium neuts, almost neuts it dry in one cycle; esp. if he's mwd. If you get your 90% web on him he wont get away. Pretty much the only thing that can outrun you if you get your web on it is a snaked dramiel =/.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:12:00 - [10]
 

2 T2 Medium Neuts and a Medium Nos?
MWD or AB? Dual web or a cap booster/TD? Hell, scram or disruptor?
DPS or ECM drones?
Enquiring minds want to know Wink

Thermopylaee
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:24:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Thermopylaee on 17/06/2010 22:24:16
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
fly this when you can afford to buy carriers on a regular basis. you also need to fit it out to have the best chance to preserve it, and that means faction mid and low slot mods and T2 or faction guns.


Who in their right mind has the ISK to buy carriers on a "regular basis?" Am I missing something here, where are the ISKies?!?!

Aralieus
Amarr
Shadowbane Syndicate
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:50:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Aralieus on 17/06/2010 22:50:35
[Ashimmu, Gotcha]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II

True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x2


/shrugs

wat you guys think?

Edit: I reserve point for other fleet members

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.06.18 05:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 11:06:51
its so good looking its imba in the fashion dept, too bad I dont wann xtrain minnie to get it. or maybe I should. if only that had been a sansha cruiser..


its a ship with 100% bonus to turret damage, which means more cap to play with, and its got tackling bonuses, compared to the zealot which doesn't. so its probably a pwn solo ship, and great for small gangs, but the zealot is still cheaper.. much cheaper. fly this when you can afford to buy carriers on a regular basis. you also need to fit it out to have the best chance to preserve it, and that means faction mid and low slot mods and T2 or faction guns.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

Curse is better, fly the curse. End of discussion.

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2010.06.18 08:54:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Cathy Drall on 18/06/2010 08:56:27
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Curse is better, fly the curse. End of discussion.

A Curse requires far more skills an although it's not bad, the Ashimmu looks better.
Just for fun or L2/3 missions - why not use it if you can afford it?

@OP: no, it's not as cool as it looks but it's pretty good for a t1 cruiser. The damage is decent, it has a lot of shield and armor buffer and for FW missions where you're only allowed to use t1 cruisers I guess it's also a good choice.

Unwise OldMan
Posted - 2010.06.18 09:52:00 - [15]
 

Captain Blart!!

I belive you helped me do the SoE Epic Arc final dude in your Ashimmu, back on one of my trail accounts.Razz

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Curse is better, fly the curse. End of discussion.


Essentially, this.

Kane Starkiller
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall
A Curse requires far more skills an although it's not bad, the Ashimmu looks better.
Just for fun or L2/3 missions - why not use it if you can afford it?

@OP: no, it's not as cool as it looks but it's pretty good for a t1 cruiser. The damage is decent, it has a lot of shield and armor buffer and for FW missions where you're only allowed to use t1 cruisers I guess it's also a good choice.


If you want better damage, get an Omen Navy Issue, it's cheaper too. If you want awesome neuting power with nice drone dps, get a curse.

Using an expensive neut boat with bad dps for missions is just going to end badly. Theres just too many other ships that can do the job better. If its for the looks then go nuts I guess. . .

Natalie Caladan
Posted - 2010.06.18 11:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kane Starkiller
Originally by: Cathy Drall
A Curse requires far more skills an although it's not bad, the Ashimmu looks better.
Just for fun or L2/3 missions - why not use it if you can afford it?

@OP: no, it's not as cool as it looks but it's pretty good for a t1 cruiser. The damage is decent, it has a lot of shield and armor buffer and for FW missions where you're only allowed to use t1 cruisers I guess it's also a good choice.


If you want better damage, get an Omen Navy Issue, it's cheaper too. If you want awesome neuting power with nice drone dps, get a curse.

Using an expensive neut boat with bad dps for missions is just going to end badly. Theres just too many other ships that can do the job better. If its for the looks then go nuts I guess. . .


I'll get them all 3 I think ^^

Vien Kush
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.06.18 12:40:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Daneel Trevize
2 T2 Medium Neuts and a Medium Nos?
MWD or AB? Dual web or a cap booster/TD? Hell, scram or disruptor?
DPS or ECM drones?
Enquiring minds want to know Wink


How did I know you were going to pop up in this thread?
Like we told you last night and others on here have also said, buy a Curse or Pilgrim instead. Razz
Failing that just tell everybody you are flying it coz it's
SEXY.

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:43:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Aralieus
wat you guys think?


Bet it works on test server.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2010.06.18 19:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Aralieus
wat you guys think?


It's a spendy toy. But if for some reason I were dead set on flying one, I'd make sure to use FN webs and at least a LG Talisman set in my head.

And then I'd fly it around for awhile and get back in a Curse. Or a Pilgrim.

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.06.18 21:50:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall
Edited by: Cathy Drall on 18/06/2010 08:56:27
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Curse is better, fly the curse. End of discussion.

A Curse requires far more skills an although it's not bad, the Ashimmu looks better.
Just for fun or L2/3 missions - why not use it if you can afford it?

@OP: no, it's not as cool as it looks but it's pretty good for a t1 cruiser. The damage is decent, it has a lot of shield and armor buffer and for FW missions where you're only allowed to use t1 cruisers I guess it's also a good choice.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about missions. In that case, it's even worse than useless. It's so bad at PvE you'd be better off in an arbitrator or omen.

runner9293
Posted - 2010.06.18 23:01:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: 1Ekrid1
but the zealot is still cheaper.. much cheaper. fly this when you can afford to buy carriers on a regular basis. you also need to fit it out to have the best chance to preserve it, and that means faction mid and low slot mods and T2 or faction guns.


No your just wrong, the Ashimmu costs maybe 150m-ish it's not very much more expensive then a zealot. Also the Ash puts out an amazing tank with t2 gear, faction makes it even more beast but it shames the zealot + curse for tank with t2. Its taking two of the best Amarr ships and making them into a sexy beast.. but as for cost they're one of the cheeper faction cruisers. I think you are thinking of a baalglahorn which costs roughly 900m. Also faction guns fail.

Aralieus
Amarr
Shadowbane Syndicate
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:27:00 - [24]
 

FYI: Curse looks way better that Ashimmu, especially when you can fly it wuzhaaaaaaaaaa

Shereza
Posted - 2010.06.19 02:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about missions. In that case, it's even worse than useless. It's so bad at PvE you'd be better off in an arbitrator or omen.


Either you're ignorant or you're trolling, but either way I'm too tired to care. The ashimmu does quite well in PvE. Thre guns, a couple drones, three vampires, adequate speed, and decent fitting capacity (not just cpu/grid) gives you a great ship for L2s and probably an adequate to good ship for L3s at the worst.

For mission running fun it's a good ship, but not so good for serious running though. The curse beats it hands down simply by being able to run L4 missions which I wouldn't trust an ashimmu in. The curse will do more rDPS and significantly more eDPS while often if not always maintaining a superior tank, all for the low cost of slightly slower turning rates and top velocity and a slightly larger signature radius.

To recap, I disagree with the opinion that the ashimmu is "worse than useless" for PvE, but I do agree that the curse is superior to it.

Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.19 11:46:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 19/06/2010 11:48:46
I think the Ashimmu asks for a bit of creativity.

For instance, what about the HUGE powergrid and very good capacitor? It's more than any other cruiser has, yet it only fits 3 lasers?

Would it be viable to fit 2 Heavy Pulse lasers? Too bad the bonus only applies to medium lasers .. Crying or Very sad

[Ashimmu, JustForFun]
Ammatar Navy Reactor Control Unit
Ammatar Navy Reactor Control Unit
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Target Painter II
Tracking Computer II
Stasis Webifier II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners

Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Cap stable at 43%

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.06.19 12:07:00 - [27]
 

Ha ha, mission running Curse/Ashimmu.


Citrute
The High and Mighty
Posted - 2010.06.19 14:00:00 - [28]
 

----------------------------------------------------------------
Above this line posters are clueless and have zero idea what they are talking about

solopwnmobile/fleet bait/idontcarewhatyouhavetosaythisshipwill****you
HPL x3, scorch, navy multif
TS med neut x2
Small neut x1

Domi web
Domi Point
Medium cap booster II with NAVY cap booster 400's
y-t8 micro

1600 plate
eanm x2
dcu
heatsink

trimarks

Slaves


Anyone that says its not fast/agile enough is a noob that dosn't know how to pvp

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2010.06.19 17:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Citrute
----------------------------------------------------------------
Above this line posters are clueless and have zero idea what they are talking about

solopwnmobile/fleet bait/idontcarewhatyouhavetosaythisshipwill****you
HPL x3, scorch, navy multif
TS med neut x2
Small neut x1

Domi web
Domi Point
Medium cap booster II with NAVY cap booster 400's
y-t8 micro

1600 plate
eanm x2
dcu
heatsink

trimarks

Slaves


Anyone that says its not fast/agile enough is a noob that dosn't know how to pvp


He's in AAA Citizens if you guys haven't figured this one out. :)

Poldarn Joaq
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.19 17:38:00 - [30]
 

Ashimmus are wicked. I sold a pimped one a while back check this out!
Old Ashimmu


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